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12V Microwave Oven!

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Offline Fred

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Re: 12V Microwave Oven!
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2009, 07:08:43 PM »
I think the rangers should ticket every car or truck that drives into Big Bend for illegal generator use! 

This exceeds the top range of the silly meter . . . Fred, please.

Al

I could not agree with you more on the silly meter, .......the rule that is.  It is not your bad, but a "one size fits all" bad rule that clearly is behind the times and needs changing to fit current technology.  Lets hope rangers use a little common sense in things like these.  As far as I am concerned, you can come into my camp and idle your truck all you want to.  I like fresh popcorn!
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Re: 12V Microwave Oven!
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2009, 08:09:18 PM »
that unit would be GREAT for nuking potatoes while primitive camping

I think this qualifies as an oxymoron. 
Blenders, ACs, now microwaves??  What's the world coming to?? :icon_lol:

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Re: 12V Microwave Oven!
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2009, 08:26:20 PM »
I like fresh popcorn!
...smell in the morning?. :icon_redface:

 I...thought,you were trying to Robert Duvall us once again... :eusa_shifty:
Stay thirsty, my friends.

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Offline Al

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Re: 12V Microwave Oven!
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2009, 08:57:04 PM »
that unit would be GREAT for nuking potatoes while primitive camping

I think this qualifies as an oxymoron. 
Blenders, ACs, now microwaves??  What's the world coming to?? :icon_lol:

Don't forget the much revered infra-red heater.



I promise that if you were camping within sight of this baby on some of the cold and windy nights we have spent in Big Bend you would want one too.

Al

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Offline Pedreo233

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Re: 12V Microwave Oven!
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2009, 10:30:52 PM »
I confess.  I idled my truck, with no other humans present for many miles around other than my friends, to recharge our batteries.  I was weak. 

Geez Al, I was there with you and I have a different recollection.  I thought you started the dern truck to make sure the battery was not run down because an absent-minded member of the party left some light on or something one of those cold nights.  We could have been stranded if we left it sitting for several days.  I think you are dreaming.

This may be a shock (I am no lectrical xpert) but a regular household microwave is usually 1000 - 1500 watts, not advisable for an inverter.

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Offline uh_clem

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Re: 12V Microwave Oven!
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2009, 12:36:59 PM »
I think the rangers should ticket every car or truck that drives into Big Bend for illegal generator use! 

This exceeds the top range of the silly meter . . . Fred, please.

Al

I could not agree with you more on the silly meter, .......the rule that is.  It is not your bad, but a "one size fits all" bad rule that clearly is behind the times and needs changing to fit current technology.  Lets hope rangers use a little common sense in things like these.  As far as I am concerned, you can come into my camp and idle your truck all you want to.  I like fresh popcorn!

Modern cars and trucks don't have generators, technically.
I'll be the jump start for the car parked in your mind, 'Cause you left the lights on all night long.

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Re: 12V Microwave Oven!
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2009, 02:34:11 PM »

I promise that if you were camping within sight of this baby on some of the cold and windy nights we have spent in Big Bend you would want one too.

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Nope.  I've camped in single digit temperatures, high winds, rain, pretty much everything except  a blizzard. 
You want a backed potato, popcorn, etc.,  stay at the lodge.
"All the comforts of home" should STAY at home.

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Offline Al

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Re: 12V Microwave Oven!
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2009, 03:01:18 PM »
You've got nothing on me, except I HAVE camped in a blizzard with sleet, high winds and sub freezing temperatures that lasted for several days. I have NEVER stayed in the lodge, an RV, much less the basin and have no plans to. If I want to stay in a hotel, I'll go to New York City.  The only time I use a tent or tarp is if dictated by the weather and I go to Big Bend, among other reasons, to camp out under the stars.  If it is within the rules, which every thing I do is, including idling the truck perhaps 20 minutes during the day every couple of days while primitive camping, which is completely legal (Go back and read Richard's posts carefully - primitive camping is NOT one of the campgrounds). 

So at what level of convenience and comfort do you begrudge your fellow campers "sharing" your park as long as it is legal?  What is the cutoff on legal equipment one can have and what is that your cutoff?  I am all for having anything and everything that can make the trip a little more enjoyable and special.  As I have said repeated, one does not want go out into the middle of nowhere to be miserable. 

I am having trouble understanding your problem.   Please explain yourself more, Roy. 

I stand proudly by my last post. 

Al
« Last Edit: March 14, 2009, 01:43:47 AM by Al »

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Offline Al

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Re: 12V Microwave Oven!
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2009, 03:07:16 PM »
I think the rangers should ticket every car or truck that drives into Big Bend for illegal generator use! 

This exceeds the top range of the silly meter . . . Fred, please.

Al

I could not agree with you more on the silly meter, .......the rule that is.  It is not your bad, but a "one size fits all" bad rule that clearly is behind the times and needs changing to fit current technology.  Lets hope rangers use a little common sense in things like these.  As far as I am concerned, you can come into my camp and idle your truck all you want to.  I like fresh popcorn!

Modern cars and trucks don't have generators, technically.

The last car I had with a generator was a 60's vintage VW.  Cars have alternators.  But according to the park rules if you are idling your vehicle in a campground then the park treats it the same as a generator.  The same language is not included in the back country rules.

Al

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Offline RichardM

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Re: 12V Microwave Oven!
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2009, 03:23:58 PM »
If it is within the rules, which every thing I do is, including idling the truck perhaps 20 minutes during the day every couple of days while primitive camping, which is completely legal (Go back and read Richard's posts carefully - primitive camping is NOT one of the campgrounds).
Looks like the park isn't very clear on just when idling a vehicle for the purpose of generating electricity is against the rules. They clearly state that generators are verboten at backcountry (i.e. primitive) sites, but only mention the idling vehicle clause on the campground page. :eusa_think: My experience as a long-time government contractor leads me to infer that they consider idling vehicles to be considered as virtual generators throughout the park, but just didn't do a good job of making that clear. Of course, I could be completely wrong (just ask my wife). My guess is that it's left to the interpretation (and mood) of the ranger. Fire up a loud generator at one of the backcountry road sites and you're liable to at least be told to shut it off, if not given a citation. Unless you just happen to piss off the ranger, you're probably not likely to get hassled over idling a vehicle. Whether or not such an action is against the rules is not made completely clear by what I was able to find on the BIBE website. I figured if it was a common problem, they'd have put it in the Compendium by now.

Update after re-checking the Compendium:
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Generator use and the use of idling vehicles to generate power are allowed in designated areas between the hours of 8 a.m. and 8 p.m. All other use of generators is prohibited.
That would seem to support my guess that they consider idling vehicles for power generation to be prohibited wherever generators are. However, that paragraph is in the "frontcountry camping" section, so you might be able to argue your way out of a citation. Too bad we don't have any rangers here willing to post a definitive answer.
« Last Edit: March 13, 2009, 03:44:28 PM by RichardM »

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Offline Al

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Re: 12V Microwave Oven!
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2009, 03:34:52 PM »
My understanding, as a person who has made a living for many years interpreting government rules, is the rule specific to the circumstance applies.  There is a reason vehicles are identified as generators in campgrounds and there is a reason vehicles are NOT identified in the back country rules.  It only makes sense.  Campgrounds - you are surrounded by many people in close proximity.  In the back country you are not.  In areas where the are multiple primitive sites fairly near each other, you might be able to hear a generator but you would not be able to hear an idling vehicle.

From a practical viewpoint, the only time that rule would be enforced is if someone complained.

Al

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Re: 12V Microwave Oven!
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2009, 03:43:57 PM »
My understanding, as a person who has made a living for many years interpreting government rules, is the rule specific to the circumstance applies.  There is a reason vehicles are identified as generators in campgrounds and there is a reason vehicles are NOT identified in the back country rules.  It only makes sense.  Campgrounds - you are surrounded by many people in close proximity.  In the back country you are not.  In areas where the are multiple primitive sites fairly near each other, you might be able to hear a generator but you would not be able to hear an idling vehicle.
It'd sure be nice if they could be a bit more clear. Maybe they just like having wiggle room.

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From a practical viewpoint, the only time that rule would be enforced is if someone complained.
Agreed. Just make sure Roy is out of earshot. :evil:

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Re: 12V Microwave Oven!
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2009, 03:50:35 PM »
The rules are perfectly clear as written and I have no argument with the Roy comment . . . although I think Roy might just be having a bad day.

Al

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Re: 12V Microwave Oven!
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2009, 12:48:27 AM »
There isn't a rule or law that can be written to cover all circumstances.  Most experienced LE have loads of common sense and apply it correctly in the field.  A rare few, mostly newbies, may be lacking in common sense. 

LE....Avoid them when you can, respect them when you cannot, and you will most likely not get hurt.

I loved the picture of the glow of the heater.  Was that real or from an advertisement or something?  The way the glow put out radiating shadows on the ground, the mountain in the back ground and what looked like two stars in the sky.  Looking at it, I could almost feel the crisp air, hear the beckoning hum of the nice warm heater, and feel the friendship of the campers sitting around it.  You do not get that in a Lodge.  Loved it!
« Last Edit: March 14, 2009, 12:50:55 AM by Fred »
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Offline Al

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Re: 12V Microwave Oven!
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2009, 01:31:53 AM »
That's a shot I took at Fresno early this last February with the exposure corrected using ACDSee 6.0.  Pretty neat for sure. 

Hosted a card game tonight out in my shop (the wives have learned not to let us play in the house) with the infra-red heater as the sole source of heat.  Deluxe. Otherwise we would have been really cold. The cards could have been better, but there is always next time!  The heater performed flawlessly.

Thanks,
Al
« Last Edit: March 14, 2009, 01:48:46 AM by Al »

 


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