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Any Thoughts On This Pack?

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Offline randell

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Re: Any Thoughts On This Pack?
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2008, 11:28:23 AM »
Randall, nice sized pack but how do you keep the weight under 30 lbs?!

Al

Good question.  I got the pack for long day hikes or short overnighters where I would be out for 24 hrs or less.  For my South Rim overnighter in a few weeks I am currently at 38 pounds, but I am using my larger pack for that trip.  If I left the camera gear and gps behind that would get rid of 6 pounds, but that is not really an option I am willing to pursue.

Bill, I am not sure how much I was carrying, on that hike.  I had water, food, first aid kit, survival kit for my family of 4 plus at least six pounds of camera gear.  We hiked for six hours.
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Re: Any Thoughts On This Pack?
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2008, 11:55:04 AM »
SA Bill, don't forego durability to save a few lbs of weight! Carry what you can, and remember to just not be in a rush! We hit NE4 from the basin in about 5 hours taking our time, and at no point did my pack shift or feel flimsy or like it would tear when I sat down on rocks with my pack on. The reviews of that light pack are great, but they seem to show some signs of durability issues when put to the limit.

Randell mentions that his friend will be using his pack later on for a trip to South Rim. That brings up an excellent option you might not have had... If your trip will not coincide with the timeframe of any trips that I might possibly be heading to the bend, I'd like to offer you my own pack to try out/use if you would like. It is an awesome pack weighing in at what your originally proposed pack weighs in at, and I believe in its durability enough to make this offer without any hesitation!

Same goes for SOME of the other gear I've mentioned. While I'm not comfortable loaning out socks and stuff, the rain cover that I got for my wife's pack, should it fit your newly selected pack, is something I would recommend carrying for that unexpected downpour. Thankfully my own pack has a rain cover built in...

That built in feature meant nothing when I got the pack, but it meant a LOT when I saw that my wife's didn't have one (so I bought one for her pack just for grins), so when we walked all the way up and when it started raining hard when we got to the Toll Mountain campsites, it was EXTREMELY handy to have the rain covers as an option... ESP when the bear boxes didn't fit either of our packs and since our packs would've otherwise been drenched with the multi-hour rain we got while up on the rim.

If I have anything that I've mentioned that you might be interested in borrowing for your trip, shoot me a PM or reply here. My FAVORITE additions to my bag are that $30 Camelbak backpack I mentioned that was on sale @ Cabela's a few weeks ago, and the Nalgene approx 100oz collapsable water canteens we carried. The pack has pockets for everything I can think of and then some, and it is sturdy enough to not shift/rip/stretch after carrying everything necessary along with a HUGE amount of unnecessary stuff. Next time I head up, I will have to trim my gear yet again. I still came out with an excess both in the food department and in the (completely expected) camera gear/battery/accessory department.

BTW, I was just mentioning the hydration pack as a preferred upgrade since it has a quick detach nozzle that helps quickly route the stuff into the pack while maintaining a nozzle cover feature despite the pack's small hydration compatible opening for routing the cable. Hydration pack stuff is NOT on the table for loaning out! That'd just be kinda gross to loan out! :)

Casa Grande, if you're reading this I also carried up an air horn w/us... Didn't use it at all, but it is a super cool air horn that I got @ Cabela's... Air can be refilled w/a standard bicycle pump. Since it isn't much more than a horn and an empty bottle, it is pretty light for what it is! Thanks for the idea!
« Last Edit: July 21, 2008, 11:59:34 AM by stingrey »
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Offline SA Bill

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Re: Any Thoughts On This Pack?
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2008, 08:51:45 PM »
Hi stingrey!
Thank you so much for the offer to use your pack!!  That's way too generous of you.  I will take you up on that offer if I haven't lucked into something by the time I'm going (trip is planned for Oct 25 -31) and assuming you don't need it for a trip. If I buy something, it will have to be inexpensive (< $150.00) since this may be a one time thing. I haven't actively backpacked in over 15 years and probably won't be doing a lot after this...but who knows. Maybe this trip will get me going again!

I have everything else...pretty much. However, you bring up a good point: What about rain? My plan is to go without a tent, which would be a first for me. I have a good GoreTex rain jacket and I think I still have a pair of rain pants but theyr'e not breathable, as I recall. I'm taking a "space" tarp which is 4.5' x 6'. It's not one of those ultra-thin mylar jobs, although I'll probably take one of those too. The tarp is ripstop plastic with a reflective side on one side. I figured it might come in handy if it gets chilly at night. I can fold it over the sleeping bad to keep some heat from radiating out. The sleeping bag is a decent Hollofil 25/40 bag which seems over rated to me. I need the 25 side to be comfortable in 40 temps. Anyway, I doubt that I'll do the S Rim if there is much chance for rain. Adding some sort of bivy sack would add more $ and weight than I am willing to handle at this point.

I'm trying really hard to keep the start weight to 40 pounds...or a little less...pack weight included. I'm taking the DSLR but only taking the generic medium zoom lens. I can eliminate the 2 pound tripod if I have to. Food is going to be almost nothing. No stove. Just lots of water!

I'll be taking at least two hydration bladders but I haven't decided on what and how big. I'm figuring to carry 2.5 gallons so I won't have to skrimp on the way up if it's a little warm. Two bladders + 2 Nalgene bottles to get me to 2.5 gallons...should be plenty. Soooo...I won't need your hydration stuff. Likewise for socks.  :icon_wink:

Again, thanks for the offer of a loaner pack! I'll see what comes along, if anything, leading up to the trip and if I haven't gotten anything, I'll let you know. If you're not out with the pack, I'll see about borrowing it from you.
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Re: Any Thoughts On This Pack?
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2008, 09:14:00 PM »
Two bladders + 2 Nalgene bottles to get me to 2.5 gallons...should be plenty.

I'll say.

Just curious Bill, why so much water? I know it's important but 2.5 gallons for an overnighter? Heck, I took 2.5 gallons on a 2 nighter in July and I dumped some out the first morning. I wound up using slightly more than 2 gallons in just over 48 hours. Just seems to me you're taking about a gallon more than you'll need/use and you keep talking about leaving other stuff behind because you don't want too much weight. Dump out a gallon and use those 8 lbs for other stuff.

I just don't think late October is going to be scorching hot and with 1.5 gallons you shouldn't have anything to worry about.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2008, 09:15:32 PM by EdB »

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Offline SA Bill

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Re: Any Thoughts On This Pack?
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2008, 10:21:27 PM »
Hi EdB!
My water plan is based partially on past experience of not having enough water on a day hike of the S Rim. The water plan is mostly based on the 1 gallon per day idea with the thought that it's one whole day up and one whole day down. The extra .5 gallons is in case it's warm. Maybe I won't need that cushion but I can make that call when I am out there. I'm just worried that the hike up will be hard for me and require a fair amount of water for the first day. I doubt that I would be comfortable with less than 2 gallons as a minimum. Given that plan, everything else is up for review due to the weight of the water alone. Belive me, I'd take more stuff (tent, stove, camera lenses, etc.) if I could do so without going over 40 pounds.

Maybe I am being too cautious with the water.

What say ye fellow S Rim hikers? Can I safely cut my water ration? I am not taking any food needing water ro rehydrate it. I'm not planning a shower on the S Rim.  :icon_eek: Maybe EdB is right.
  Thanks for the input EdB!
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Re: Any Thoughts On This Pack?
« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2008, 11:08:54 PM »
Bill, I've never done that hike but have done similar hikes.  Rule of thumb on an overnighter is you want to have plenty of water for the first day and much less is necessary for the second day when you know you will have a new source of water.  It's only a couple hours to hike down.  A couple of liters should do fine for the second day even if you mess around for a few hours before you go down, since you don't need any for cooking.  When you're hiking down you know there will be a plethora of water (and hopefully some well iced beer) at the bottom so even if you're a little dry it's no biggie. Unless it's unusually hot a gallon and half should be sufficient but perhaps not luxurious.  Bring one more liter and you may be tempted to share . . .

Al

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Re: Any Thoughts On This Pack?
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2008, 11:12:29 PM »
I'm trying really hard to keep the start weight to 40 pounds...
Bill

 Hey Professor, it should not be any sweat, just take off some of those Vino Rojo bottles on the nalgenes...you should be good to go. You can cheer and celebrate back on the PT Cruiser.. :rolling:

 Now let's head on over to Jeff's Yosemite Trip Report . More Red wine there, Professor? :beer_chug:
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Re: Any Thoughts On This Pack?
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2008, 11:31:36 PM »
Hi EdB!
My water plan is based partially on past experience of not having enough water on a day hike of the S Rim. The water plan is mostly based on the 1 gallon per day idea with the thought that it's one whole day up and one whole day down. The extra .5 gallons is in case it's warm.


I'm not gonna pretend I'm a S. Rim expert because I'm not, so keep that in mind. I went up with about 2.5 gallons and used about 5 cups of that to rehydrate my food (5 meals). I used right around 50 ounces on the hike out from NE4. Like Al says, you'll need much less on the hike out since you're going downhill and carrying less weight, and even if you run out halfway down it's not like you're going to die on the trail.

Just keep in mind that you're really only going out for at most 1.5 days (start at maybe 8am and you'll be back well before 8pm the next night I'm sure). And it sounds like once you get there you just want to relax and enjoy the view so you won't need a lot of water for that. I'm just worried that if you take 2.5 gallons you're going to spend most of your time off-trail taking a leak.  :icon_lol:

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Re: Any Thoughts On This Pack?
« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2008, 01:07:15 AM »

Maybe I am being too cautious with the water.

What say ye fellow S Rim hikers? Can I safely cut my water ration? I am not taking any food needing water ro rehydrate it. I'm not planning a shower on the S Rim.  :icon_eek: Maybe EdB is right.
  Thanks for the input EdB!
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I agree with EdB! I have found that I need far less water up in the high chisos. In fact, I tend to get down to only 2-3 L/day up there (and I'm even a heavy H2O consumer). Taking 2.5 gal is going to be overkill. You could safely take it down to 2 gal, but since you don't need water to cook with, 1.5 gal should be just fine (your feet will thank you).
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Re: Any Thoughts On This Pack?
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2008, 05:01:06 AM »
True... And given the timeframe, you should not need that much anyhow. Unless it is super hot, 2 should be plenty, and 1.5 might just be perfect. Cool thing is that if you have a hydration bladder and some additional collapsable packs, you can self impose a rationing plan if you kill off your hydration bladder and tap one of your additional packs. It isn't like you will come up short to the point where you'll be up there without a lifeline. During the given timeframe you'll be relatively close to civilization, too... The amount of passerby's will be plentiful if you get yourself into trouble, so long as you stay on the trails.

I'm a heavy drinker, so I'd *normally* go it on 2g for a 2 day trek, but I've done the whole thing on about 100oz of water, and I've seen plenty of people who have done the thing on one 18oz bottle of water without incident. Sure they were thirsty afterwards, but they didn't have too far to go to crack open a cold one once they got back down!
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Re: Any Thoughts On This Pack?
« Reply #25 on: July 22, 2008, 10:39:12 AM »
When my Dad and I overnighted to SW4 years ago we both carried about 2.5 gallons as a combo of water and Gatorade. Finished off most of the Gatorade but when we got back to the trailhead we each had about a gallon of water leftover. Of course, the bottom line is don't carry less than you feel comfortable carrying. After all, none of us are likely to be out there to give you more water should you need it (much as I'd love to tag along...).

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Re: Any Thoughts On This Pack?
« Reply #26 on: July 22, 2008, 12:03:43 PM »
What say ye fellow S Rim hikers? Can I safely cut my water ration? I am not taking any food needing water ro rehydrate it. I'm not planning a shower on the S Rim.  :icon_eek: Maybe EdB is right.
  Thanks for the input EdB!
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The quest to cut weight can be overdone, bordering on obsessive. Water is both an essential and a safety item. You can't drink water you didn't bring. You can dump it when you KNOW you won't be needing it (and that will depend on lots of variables).

In the safety category, excess water is like first aid/survival items...you carry them and rarely need them, but you don't leave them behind.

With extra water you can always drink it more frequently and to good effect. Face it, most hikers experience at least slight dehydration even when they don't think it is occurring.
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Re: Any Thoughts On This Pack?
« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2008, 04:33:14 PM »
I never cut back on water when backpacking in Big Bend. If I find any to filter, I consider it "bonus" water, and I take very little of it. The wildlife there can't haul water with them, but I can.

Lightweight principles help cut down the overall weight of the pack, but I really only noticed their true impact when I was in Yosemite, rarely carried more than a liter of water on me, and my whole pack (including 6+ days of food) was around 22 pounds.
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