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Camp Stoves

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Offline Peach

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Camp Stoves
« on: April 25, 2008, 05:34:24 PM »
I've broused the posts a little but haven't seen anything on camp stoves.  Any suggestions on light weight and easy to use.  Ease is important because believe it or not, my second camping trip two years ago I had a stove go up in flames...partially operator error and partially defective equipment...

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Re: Camp Stoves
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2008, 05:46:18 PM »
I've broused the posts a little but haven't seen anything on camp stoves.  Any suggestions on light weight and easy to use.  Ease is important because believe it or not, my second camping trip two years ago I had a stove go up in flames...partially operator error and partially defective equipment...

Depends on how you are going to use it.

For car camping, a propane one or two burner store is great.

For backpacking, go with a gasoline stove that is multifuel and burn unleaded gas in it unless you found some great, cheaper deal on white gas. While these aren't quite as convenient as the Gaz and other similar cannister units, they are more versatile and you don't have to wonder where you'll find a cartridge. Plus, if you fill the fuel bottle at the beginning of the trip you'll have more than enough to work with and won't have to tote partially full cartridges or the empty ones when they run out. The other advantage is that it can serve as an emergency stove at home when things go south (hurricane season and such) and you don't have to hunt for special fuel cartridges after everyone has made a run on the stores.

Furthermore, there's more energy in gasoline than the other kinds so your fuel goes farther.

I would go with one that uses the fuel bottle as the supply tank...one less thing to carry as the burner by itself is very light. That rules out the Peak1 Coleman units (which are good stoves, I have one of those as well but it is a backup for car camping). There's a number of brands and everybody will have an opinion, but my rather old MSR stove (and it's not a featherlight) runs like a champ.

All these things now probably have pumps built in but if not, look for one that does. Pressurizing the tank makes it run so much better.

Buy as much quality as you can and you'll be better served in the long term.

Looking at the total cost of ownership, a cartridge-fuel stove is a continuing expense that will far exceed the cost of buying gasoline for your fuel bottle. I'd take the money to be spent on cartridges and put it upfront into the hardware of a multifuel stove.
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Re: Camp Stoves
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2008, 06:07:19 PM »
I've broused the posts a little but haven't seen anything on camp stoves.  Any suggestions on light weight and easy to use.  Ease is important because believe it or not, my second camping trip two years ago I had a stove go up in flames...partially operator error and partially defective equipment...
Peach,
If you want ease of use, then I would recommend a cannister stove.
About as safe and easy as it gets.

A few come to mind:

First the Coleman F1 ultralight:
http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=39298157

Coleman may get knocked by most backpackers, but the F1 has won much praise
and is the subject of rave reviews by backpackers and ultralightest all over.
The stoves weight (2.7) , combined with its BTU's(claimed to be 16,500 and very close to that according to those who have tested it)
make it a winner. Add to that the fact that it's burner reportedly provides a decent flame diameter so you don't scorch the food in the very center of your pot. It's a bargain at the price too. $34.99

Snow Peak has a new stove on the market that there is little beta on as of yet, but it is even lighter than the Coleman.
http://www.snowpeak.com/back/stoves/ultralight.html


The Snowpeak Giga Stove is extremely popular as well and is a bit further down the same page.
http://www.snowpeak.com/back/stoves/ultralight.html


The Titanium version weighs (2.5 oz) in just a tad below the Coleman F1 but doesn't provide as many btu's and the smaller burner, due to its small flame diameter, has reportedly scorched food if not watched carefully.

As much as I love liquid fuel stoves such as those that Presidio mentioned, and trust me I do love them, they are in my opinion not the easiest to use, and potentially the most dangerous. Error with a liquid fuel stove can create a bomb fast.  I love them for the maintenance they take, and the tweaking they require and the unique subtlties each individual stove has, but it can take just one bad o-ring or one fuel line connection you forgot to check to turn your dream trip into a nightmare.

If you are going for ease of use and light weight I would go with the cannister stove.
If you want a stove that is more than just a piece of gear and will serve you better in extremes and internationally, then I would follow Presidios advice.

Just my 2 cents.

« Last Edit: April 25, 2008, 07:33:49 PM by RichardM »
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Re: Camp Stoves
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2008, 06:58:01 PM »
I could not agree more with PRESIDIO...for me?...with out a question, the dual fuel stoves are A#1. I use them everywhere i ge t a chance: Camping,trail riding,picknicking,when there are outtages,out in a cold gathering..these are absolutely the best stoves i can think off. Coleman is the top name for me, and besides like Presidio says: There is always a good source of fuel out there when you need it ...and that is not including those 7 tents of yours when you pack up and go to Big Bend.


 Here is the one i use, I have two of them:



 And also check the reviews on YouTube.com
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Re: Camp Stoves
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2008, 07:52:38 PM »
I could not agree more with PRESIDIO...for me?...with out a question, the dual fuel stoves are A#1. I use them everywhere i ge t a chance: Camping,trail riding,picknicking,when there are outtages,out in a cold gathering..these are absolutely the best stoves i can think off. Coleman is the top name for me, and besides like Presidio says: There is always a good source of fuel out there when you need it ...and that is not including those 7 tents of yours when you pack up and go to Big Bend.


 Here is the one i use, I have two of them:



 And also check the reviews on YouTube.com

Nice Homero.
I always like seeing Coleman get a positive plug!
I have used the Coleman Apex II and have had very positive results.It has an optional generator that will burn Kerosene as well.


Coleman was using the fuel atomizing delivery system long before Snow Peak , yet still not getting the credit they deserve.

I also love the all time classic MSR Whisperlite.

It comes in the International version as well, which will also burn Kerosene.
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Re: Camp Stoves
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2008, 11:17:40 PM »
I could not agree more with PRESIDIO...for me?...with out a question, the dual fuel stoves are A#1. I use them everywhere i ge t a chance: Camping,trail riding,picknicking,when there are outtages,out in a cold gathering..these are absolutely the best stoves i can think off. Coleman is the top name for me, and besides like Presidio says: There is always a good source of fuel out there when you need it ...and that is not including those 7 tents of yours when you pack up and go to Big Bend.


 Here is the one i use, I have two of them:



 And also check the reviews on YouTube.com

 :icon_eek: This one is the exact one that went up in flames on me....I must have either really botched it or it was defective.....knowi ng how green I was on that trip, I more than likely botched it...I might have gotten fuel on the side and when lit...poof.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2008, 11:27:24 PM by RichardM »

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Re: Camp Stoves
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2008, 11:26:11 PM »
Someone else had recommended the MSR Whisperlite to me....

I saw a really interesting looking gas stove in one of my outdoor magazines...the LiteMax Stove, Snow Peak...but I dunno, I may be better with a cannister stove if it's safer.  I'm going to have to run out to Gander Mountain tomorrow and check all these out.  Oy, I always come out with half the store when I go there... :willynilly:


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Re: Camp Stoves
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2008, 11:27:57 PM »
Peach, I can't help but ask if you bought it new?  Sounds like it had been messed with.

Al

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Re: Camp Stoves
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2008, 11:31:30 PM »
Peach, I can't help but ask if you bought it new?  Sounds like it had been messed with.

Al

I bought it new...that's why I'm thinking I messed it up somehow...I wasn't that accustomed to camping back then...

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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2008, 11:35:06 PM »
Compressed gas stoves are easier to use for sure but require more fuel volume for the same BTUs.  They are more "fool proof" than liquid fired stoves.

Al

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« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2008, 11:36:47 PM »
Then all I can think of is to make sure the fill cap is good and tight and be sure and test it out at home before you go.

Al

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Re: Camp Stoves
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2008, 11:38:28 PM »
Then all I can think of is to make sure the fill cap is good and tight and be sure and test it out at home before you go.
...and make sure there's no residual fuel on the outside of the tank if you spilled any.  Even giving it a minute or two to evaporate will help.

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« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2008, 11:40:56 PM »
Richard, good advice, although that should be a rare problem unless one is really sloppy.  Never fire it up in a pool of spilled fuel too . . .

Al

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« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2008, 11:44:42 PM »
Doesn't get more lightweight than a Super Cat. Pretty easy to use, just pour a little fuel in and light. Of course, it's pretty much just good for boiling water. Denatured alcohol is the fuel of choice and very easy to find.
http://jwbasecamp.com/Articles/SuperCat/index.html

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Re: Camp Stoves
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2008, 11:46:09 PM »
Then all I can think of is to make sure the fill cap is good and tight and be sure and test it out at home before you go.

Al

I'll for sure test at home....luckily we were on a car camping trip when that happened, so I had my two burner propane in the trunk..

 


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