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How to pick a kayak

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Offline homerboy2u

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How to pick a kayak
« on: March 10, 2008, 12:03:41 PM »
thanks Homero.  Here's the boat, Wilderness Systems Tarpon 120, purchased from Ray52 last October. 


Nice Kayak there.... :eusa_clap:

 I have been pondering a bit, There are good places to go kayaking around here: Amistad Lake, Seminole Canyon,Garner Park, Corpus Christi and Port Aransas, nice lagoon there to paddle ,then you you have your places, this side of the fence....(being sarcastic here :icon_biggrin:). The last time I went over to Cabelas, I saw many different models to choose from, maybe more than i can mustard to choose, but i know there are Sit on tops, sit ins,ones that split like a "y" in the back, can't figure what for and others for sea kayaking and fresh water kayaking.

  How do you choose the best one for you?, is there an article,chart or video to check out?. BTW, this could be a good start of a discussion.

 Homero
« Last Edit: March 10, 2008, 01:36:45 PM by RichardM »
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2008, 01:28:18 PM »
I think you have to try one out and decide if it's right for you.  I had the opportunity to use mine before I bought it, before it was for sale in fact, and I really liked it.  

Here's an article on choosing a kayak:

http://www.austinkayak.com/articles/kayakchoose.php

I like the "sit on top" variety, mainly because they are easy to get in out and out of.  Mine has enough storage that I could take it on over night trips if I wanted, though I'd have to keep the gear to a minimum.  
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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2008, 01:33:57 PM »
Homero and others.  There is two basic kayak hull styles.  White water and sea kayak.  White water is a very quick and manueverable boat for running fast moving rivers while not carrying much more than a person etc.  Sea Kayaks are more of the open water going someplace style of hull usually capable of carrying supplies for overnighting for weeks at a time.  www.paddling.net has lots of info on the site to help choose which is right for your needs. Be careful of your weight as a kayak with excess weight is like paddling a log.  The sea kayaks come in sit on top (SOT) as well as sit inside.  There are several variations of the interior you will find, but no matter the seating arrangement there still is basically only two styles of hull. Almost all folks in the recreation paddling group will want a sea kayak style of hull.  The Tarpon 120 pictured is one of the better SOT sea kayaks for general recreation, but many others are just a good.  Homero I intend to be back in Del Rio this summer with my Folbot Yukon to test the Amistad waters for my self.  Amistad is a big destination for Texas Kayakers.  Please always wear a PFD sized for your weight. I hate retreiving bodies from the water.
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Re: How to pick a kayak
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2008, 03:13:28 PM »
I knew this thread was bound to be chopped off...... :icon_lol:

Old fatman: I always wear a PFD, even when i take a shower :eusa_eh:...although my wife, is really trying to convince me to take it off when i go to the bathroom to do my thing. :eusa_think:

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Homero,

Do you think there would be any problem canoeing Canon Peguis? (in terms of permission, land ownership, etc.)

  I am sure you mean  Ca?on Peguis, Oki...but where is this place?, care to enlightend ?, and gladly will share my experience.

 Will read the article , and come back with some more thoughts.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2008, 03:20:58 PM by homerboy2u2 »
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« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2008, 05:05:14 PM »
Homero.....I have extensive experience in SOT's and whitewater boats and highly recommend that you give it a try.  The Tarpon 120 that Brian has is a classic that is very versatile and has been imitated by quite a few other designs.  I still have one exactly like it, and a newer Native Watercraft Ultimate 12 which is a more wide open design and not self draining.  At first glance it resembles a small canoe with one seat in the middle.  Things to consider when you choose a boat are your size and what you'll be carrying with you and the boats intended purpose.  I use both of mine for exploring the bayous and marshes here but prefer the Tarpon by a wide margin for playing in the surf at the beach. I'm envious of Brian in that he can take his dog along (as pictured on another thread).  I'm around 220# and my Chesapeake is right at 100# so we would max out either of my boat's capacities.  Poor planning on my part so I suppose I'll either be adding a traditional canoe, or a larger kayak sometime soon.  Well I guess I could get back on my diet and lose 40 pounds.....I definitely have it to spare!  I also have a Perception Dancer XT vintage 1987 hanging on my wall....a fine whitewater boat in its day but it bears no resemblance to the current generation of whitewater play boats.  Technology hasn't been limited to computers, telephones, or route finding devices, but my red devil would still carry me safely through the 3's and 4's I loved to paddle.  

I respectfully differ with OFM's categories of boats as I consider sea kayaks an entirely different type of craft.  I hope to try one sometime but have zero experience to express any opinions about them now.  

As you can probably tell, this is one of my greatest passions and I could go on and on, but think this is a good stopping point.  But keep in mind....we will probably have another soiree with friends and boats sometime this summer and you will be most welcome to join us.  If so, you are welcome to try any of my boats and who knows....you might get the bug?  You think, Bdann?

  

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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2008, 05:27:52 PM »
Ray52, I agree with you.  My purpose was an attempt at extreme simplification of kayaks for the absolute beginner just starting to look at kayaks. In the past I have overwhelmed folks with too much detail.  Go for it and talk about the reality of all the differences that do make differences in real paddling.  I doubt that we have any real disagreement other than my attempt at simplification. Kayaks are the most fun I have had on the water in my life and to me much safer than the canoes I have had.  At the rate my knees are falling apart in a couple of years I will likely have to give up hiking and biking for only kayaking and golf. Not really a bad future if you think about it. For the Big Bend river I would choose and appropriate kayak over a canoe any time.
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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2008, 06:07:53 PM »
you might get the bug?  You think, Bdann?

Having been a canoe paddler my whole life, I never gave a thought to trying a kayak until I tried Ray's and I was hooked immediately.  Definitely looking forward to our next boat-centric outing. 
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Re: How to pick a kayak
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2008, 07:57:39 PM »
Homero.....I have extensive experience in SOT's and whitewater boats and highly recommend that you give it a try. 

As you can probably tell, this is one of my greatest passions and I could go on and on, but think this is a good stopping point.  But keep in mind....we will probably have another soiree with friends and boats sometime this summer and you will be most welcome to join us.  If so, you are welcome to try any of my boats and who knows....you might get the bug?  You think, Bdann?   

 Yes sir I am interested, but like always and here we all have something to say, what i want to avoid is to buy a kayak and then not being the one I needed...flipping over all the time,taking in water, and basically NOT enjoying it until you eventually toss it away.....like my friend Jose Trevi?o did in Lake Amistad........ Spanish is not required to enjoy this video

 I get a kick out of it, everytime i see it.... :icon_lol:, have a laugh for a Monday day.

 Now, i will read Bdann's article and will return with more thoughts.

Moderator Note:  Peguis Canyon discussion moved to Canoeing Peguis Canyon
« Last Edit: March 10, 2008, 08:26:43 PM by RichardM »
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Re: How to pick a kayak
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2008, 11:54:50 PM »
While I was gathering information on another board, I found this great page on Paddling Lake Amistad and some Paddling trails as well.

Paddle Trail 1

Paddle Trail 2

Paddle Trail 3

Paddle Trail 4

 Oldfatman is right: There are hundreds of places you can go at Lake Amistad, and you have not even touched the Mexican side with it's Ca?on del Soldado, Ca?on del Burro, and I believe is Ca?on del Caballo..plus all the other small canyons on both sides of the lake and river.
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Re: How to pick a kayak
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2008, 11:14:02 AM »
thanks for the links Homero, Amistad is definitely on my list.  too bad it's 400 something miles away.
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Re: How to pick a kayak
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2008, 11:35:20 AM »
BDANN,
Between you and Amistad is a lifetime worth of paddleing. Lake Lavon east of you was great fun a few years ago. The Texas State Parks system has paddle trails set up in numerous places around the state. Near Port Aransas is a huge set of marked trails.  Near Goliad is another. 

Homero,
Do not forget Falcon Lake a little south of Amistad. It is very accessable also.

Any body of water is a candidate. I did quit floating in the Texas streams that had alligators.  Do not like playing with alligators.

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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2008, 12:33:42 PM »
I have a friend in Laredo,Tx. whom i have never met, except online. Much like many folks here, funny, anyway. He shares with me pictures where he goes kayaking, and he says that he likes to Kayak in Kennedy Lake , over in Laredo and he stumbles with a lot of these babies. He says they don't bother him, but I don't think i am going to be paddling anytime soon with him, when your surrounded by crocs.



 He's been to many places in Mexico,like this one in La Huasteca where he says it is awsome to kayak all the way down to the cascading waters and enjoy the water spary there.



 Let me see if i have somevideos of him kayaking in Laguna Madre in Corpus Christi (Hejira & Roy's backyard)
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Ray52

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Re: How to pick a kayak
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2008, 01:00:34 PM »
The gators outnumber the kayaks here.  This one was willing to let me approach to about 5 feet.

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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2008, 01:10:17 PM »
BDANN,
Between you and Amistad is a lifetime worth of paddleing. Lake Lavon east of you was great fun a few years ago. The Texas State Parks system has paddle trails set up in numerous places around the state. Near Port Aransas is a huge set of marked trails.  Near Goliad is another. 

Homero,
Do not forget Falcon Lake a little south of Amistad. It is very accessable also.

Any body of water is a candidate. I did quit floating in the Texas streams that had alligators.  Do not like playing with alligators.

I haven't been out on Lavon yet (North of me actually), I live in Rowlett near Lake Ray Hubbard, which is where I usually paddle.  There's a nice protected area near my house with lots of trees (keeps motor boats away).  I'm going to Lake Tawakoni in a few weeks, though not yet sure if I'm taking my kayak.  Can't seem to get my brothers on board with the whole kayaking business, they have other priorities I guess.  

I also go out on Cedar Creek Lake, but haven't found the paddling to be all the great just yet.  My parent's have a house there on the water, so I can launch right from the yard.  But once you get out of their channel, it's usually pretty rough going with all the boat traffic.

Also have plans to paddle the Brazos River downstream from Possum Kingdom Lake, but haven't quite gotten that trip worked out yet, keeps getting canceled.  I've actually done that trip before, in a canoe, long time ago.  

Homero, I encountered a gator with Ray52 and ShaneA at Martin Dies Jr SP, it definitely got my heart rate up for a minute.  Don't have those photos here...
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Re: How to pick a kayak
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2008, 08:17:15 PM »
Homero, I encountered a gator with Ray52 and ShaneA at Martin Dies Jr SP, it definitely got my heart rate up for a minute.  Don't have those photos here...

 Yes, Kayaking seems to be more interesting as i read futher more: Some videos i found, on another chatboard for serious kayakers, I assume this ones are sea kayaks by the description on Bdann's article: how to pick a kayak.

 Anyway, this is Kayak fishing Sharks , definetly these guys know what they are doing or they would be free bait for any shark out there.

 This one even made the news: Kayak fishing for Marlin Bluewater

 Ray52 , Oldfatman and who ever reads this thread that has a kayak: do you guys and ladies have any pictures of your kayaks?

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Homero, I encountered a gator with Ray52 and ShaneA at Martin Dies Jr SP, it definitely got my heart rate up for a minute.  Don't have those photos here...

 Post them , when ever you can Bdann..

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Homero,
Do not forget Falcon Lake a little south of Amistad. It is very accessable also.

 You are correct, Falcon Lake is very beautiful indeed...a little bit down the Rio Grande river though, but none the less interesting. I agree.
« Last Edit: March 11, 2008, 08:27:17 PM by homerboy2u2 »
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