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Title: Propane Bottle Leak - What to Do?
Post by: SHANEA on February 20, 2007, 02:06:12 PM
Had one of the 1lb bottles of propane that would not "reseat" after it was disconnected from the stove.  Tried reseating it, fiddling with it, etc.  Had a "small", but constant and worrisome leak from it and it was a brand new bottle.  Didn't know what to do with it.   Probably, upon 2nd thought, shouldn't have done with it what we did with it, didn't want to leave it at the camp as we were packing up to leave as it would be litter, didn't want to carry it all the way home, so I put it in an action packer that I had on my hitch platform and when we got to PJ to dump the trash, just set it beside the trash can.  Didn't want to toss it in the trash can as it would have "contained" the propane.  Suggestions for when this happens in the future?
Title: Propane Bottle Leak - What to Do?
Post by: bdann on February 20, 2007, 02:10:59 PM
I don't know what you're supposed to do about it either.  When packing up at Tyler State Park last month, I had the same problem.  I stuck it in the back of my truck, when I got home 90 minutes later it was still spewing propane.  I just set it on the ground and let it run itself out.  I don't think there's any "good" thing to do about it.  It's kind of a scary situation.
Title: Guess
Post by: SHANEA on February 20, 2007, 03:10:41 PM
Guess that's why they don't want you filling them up.  You'd think that someone would make a little 1lb or 2lb bottle of refillable propane to use instead of disposing of these little bottles.
Title: Propane Bottle Leak - What to Do?
Post by: bdann on February 20, 2007, 03:21:48 PM
You can actually buy an attachment from Harbor Freight that allows you to refill the 1 lb bottles from a 20 lb tank.  You're not supposed to do it, but you might save a little money if you did.
Title: Propane Bottle Leak - What to Do?
Post by: bdann on February 20, 2007, 03:22:49 PM
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=45989

It says it's legal, but I'm pretty sure the 1 lb bottles state that they are not to be refilled.
Title: Propane Bottle Leak - What to Do?
Post by: Al on February 20, 2007, 03:29:55 PM
If you turn it upside down it will empty more quickly.  I would not put it in a closed space, including a dumpster, until completely empty.

Al
Title: Propane Bottle Leak - What to Do?
Post by: BigBendHiker on February 20, 2007, 03:45:13 PM
Quote from: "bdann"
I don't know what you're supposed to do about it either.  When packing up at Tyler State Park last month, I had the same problem.  I stuck it in the back of my truck, when I got home 90 minutes later it was still spewing propane.  I just set it on the ground and let it run itself out.  I don't think there's any "good" thing to do about it.  It's kind of a scary situation.


Not many good options with a leaking tank.  As suggested, best to just set it on the ground in a well ventilated area and let it vent down.  As someone said earlier, you do not want to let the vapors become contained in a building or along low spots on the ground or in the trunk of a vehicle.  All that does is create a vapor cloud and if it finds an ignition source, that is when things go boom...  

BBH
Title: eh?
Post by: SHANEA on February 20, 2007, 04:38:17 PM
Quote from: "bdann"
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=45989

It says it's legal, but I'm pretty sure the 1 lb bottles state that they are not to be refilled.


http://askthegasman.com/General/Propane/propane.html

http://www.dcfp.navy.mil/mc/video/truckfire.htm
Title: Propane Bottle Leak - What to Do?
Post by: BigBendHiker on February 20, 2007, 05:04:57 PM
Hi Shanea:
That video says it all.  Thanks for finding it.  BLEVE's are not good.  Here is an interesting Wikipedia article on them...

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLEVE


BBH
Title: Propane Bottle Leak - What to Do?
Post by: presidio on February 20, 2007, 11:18:36 PM
Quote from: "bdann"
You can actually buy an attachment from Harbor Freight that allows you to refill the 1 lb bottles from a 20 lb tank.  You're not supposed to do it, but you might save a little money if you did.


Yep, got one. Works well. Freeze the little bottle so you get maximum gas compression when it fills. It's only a slight gain, but what the heck.

The little bottles will eventually fail to seal and then you either let it vent or screw it on some appliance that has a valve control.

Turn the big bottle upside down when filling. That way gravity helps the liquid propane flow into the smaller bottle so you get more product than just letting the big bottle out gas into the smaller one. The instructions say to not fill more than a minute or so, but the gas will stop flowing (you can hear it) when the bottle is full.
Title: Re: eh?
Post by: presidio on February 20, 2007, 11:28:02 PM
Quote from: "bdann"
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=45989

It says it's legal, but I'm pretty sure the 1 lb bottles state that they are not to be refilled.



True. So you won't be getting them refilled at any commercial place, nor would that be cost effective.

Is it risky? Sure. More risky than the new bottle rolling around and cooking in the back of your truck for several months before you use it? Probably not.

Remember, warnings are born in two places....1) from experience that something bad has happened and 2) from fear that litigation will result if something bad happens.

Now, while a gas cylinder is surely a more risky proposition than a power cord...consider that all appliance power cords now are 'known to the state of California' to be hazardous.....becau se there is some minute, probably nearly undetectable quantity of lead in the vinyl coating. If you are in California you are basically instructed to not handle power cords, but if you must you have to thoroughly wash your hands each time you do. The rest of the world is unaffected....excep t by the silly tags all power cords now sport since California 'knows' something the rest of us don't.

This is the kind of mentality that gives you a warning sheet with a hair dryer telling you to not use it in a bathtub full of water.

People in California must be exceptionally stupid to need all this 'help' from the state.
Title: Propane Bottle Leak - What to Do?
Post by: RichardM on February 21, 2007, 09:17:23 AM
Quote from: "presidio"
Quote from: "bdann"
You can actually buy an attachment from Harbor Freight that allows you to refill the 1 lb bottles from a 20 lb tank.  You're not supposed to do it, but you might save a little money if you did.

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The little bottles will eventually fail to seal and then you either let it vent or screw it on some appliance that has a valve control.

Sounds like what is needed is a valve/hose attachment so leaks can be contained.
Title: Propane Bottle Leak - What to Do?
Post by: presidio on February 21, 2007, 05:53:47 PM
Quote from: "RichardM"

Sounds like what is needed is a valve/hose attachment so leaks can be contained.


Yep. When I have one that starts to leak I just leave it connected to a single burner cook head that sits on the bottle. It has a valve....problem solved. When empty it goes in the steel recycle bin since I mark it as defective so I won't inadvertently fill it again.

Since it has an over-pressure safety vent, you can depress that to make sure  the can is empty so you are not tossing even a slightly pressurized bottle in the bin.