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The Scoop on Pooping

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Offline DesertRatShorty

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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2017, 06:33:59 PM »
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Lord almighty, Shorty, you are hardcore. I'm impressed.

Thanks House, but not sure I qualify. It's certainly counter-cultural to us, but people have done without TP since the dawn of time. In some parts of the world, the ol' hand and water method still reigns supreme. That's why in those cultures you don't do anything requiring cleanliness (eating, shaking hands) with the left hand.

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Whats the difference in packing out a poopy paper towel or moist towelette verses poopy TP?

To be more clear, I was contrasting (a) using TP exclusively with (b) using rocks and such, followed up by either water or a square or two of some form of paper, in which case the difference is the quantity of paper you have to pack (in and out).

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Now that this thread exists (thanks, BBC!!!) and assuming that others may actually come here looking for real advice, I'm going to take this opportunity to recommend my absolute favorite toilet trowel. I used this last year on my two-week cross-park hike, as well as three or four other trips in the last twelve months. Best trowel ever. Weighs about 17 grams (a little over half an ounce)!  Practically indestructible, and if you do bend it, you can bend it right back into shape. Cuts through almost anything, dislodges huge rocks.  You can even use it as a tent stake, especially good in sand or snow. The Deuce of Spades.

According to the Leave No Trace website,

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Proper disposal of human waste is important to avoid pollution of water sources, avoid the negative implications of someone else finding it, minimize the possibility of spreading disease, and maximize the rate of decomposition.

LNT further advises

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In a hot desert, human waste does not biodegrade easily because there is little organic soil to help break it down. In the desert, the cathole should be only 4-6 inches deep. This will allow the heat and sun to hasten the decay process.

So let's suppose you're in Big Bend and are far from water and off trail where no one will likely pass in the next 10 years. Maybe you're hiking up to Jack's pass, and at some random location you head 100 yds off the route to do your business. Since decomposition is not aided by the soil, but just the sun, why is digging a cathole advisable in that case? Why not just find a nice south-facing slope and let the sun do its work? Is it that an animal might catch a disease, or spread it to where humans might pass?

I normally aim to dig a standard cathole, but this thread has got me to pondering some real deep sh*t.




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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2017, 08:05:32 PM »
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Lord almighty, Shorty, you are hardcore. I'm impressed.

Thanks House, but not sure I qualify. It's certainly counter-cultural to us, but people have done without TP since the dawn of time. In some parts of the world, the ol' hand and water method still reigns supreme. That's why in those cultures you don't do anything requiring cleanliness (eating, shaking hands) with the left hand.

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Whats the difference in packing out a poopy paper towel or moist towelette verses poopy TP?

To be more clear, I was contrasting (a) using TP exclusively with (b) using rocks and such, followed up by either water or a square or two of some form of paper, in which case the difference is the quantity of paper you have to pack (in and out).

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Now that this thread exists (thanks, BBC!!!) and assuming that others may actually come here looking for real advice, I'm going to take this opportunity to recommend my absolute favorite toilet trowel. I used this last year on my two-week cross-park hike, as well as three or four other trips in the last twelve months. Best trowel ever. Weighs about 17 grams (a little over half an ounce)!  Practically indestructible, and if you do bend it, you can bend it right back into shape. Cuts through almost anything, dislodges huge rocks.  You can even use it as a tent stake, especially good in sand or snow. The Deuce of Spades.

According to the Leave No Trace website,

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Proper disposal of human waste is important to avoid pollution of water sources, avoid the negative implications of someone else finding it, minimize the possibility of spreading disease, and maximize the rate of decomposition.

LNT further advises

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In a hot desert, human waste does not biodegrade easily because there is little organic soil to help break it down. In the desert, the cathole should be only 4-6 inches deep. This will allow the heat and sun to hasten the decay process.

So let's suppose you're in Big Bend and are far from water and off trail where no one will likely pass in the next 10 years. Maybe you're hiking up to Jack's pass, and at some random location you head 100 yds off the route to do your business. Since decomposition is not aided by the soil, but just the sun, why is digging a cathole advisable in that case? Why not just find a nice south-facing slope and let the sun do its work? Is it that an animal might catch a disease, or spread it to where humans might pass?

I normally aim to dig a standard cathole, but this thread has got me to pondering some real deep sh*t.

 :icon_lol:  Deep sh*t indeed.  I'm with you on the dawn of time stuff, Shorty. Originally, instead of calling you hardcore, I was gonna congratulate you on being a walking, talking Homo habilis.  http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/species/homo-habilis  And I meant it as a compliment, not a dig. I could see myself trying your method, but I'm not sure the right hand would want to know what the left hand was doing.

I have used the dump and smear technique many times: some while in red rock country in Arizona and Utah, and some while climbing among talus and rock faces high above treeline.  I've never gotten quite comfortable with it,  That probably makes me a bit of a waste weanie.  Speaking theoretically, though, if I were really, really off the beaten path and far from surface water or obvious drainages in a landscape inhospitable to soil-based decomposition, then I'd have no problem leaving a surface deposit, dog style.  I can't think of any convincing reason to do otherwise.
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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2017, 09:14:16 PM »
When hiking the desert, a properly tapered, erosion smoothed limestone rock is very effective!!

Effective at what, BK?  As a trowel or a towel (so to speak)? Are we talking digging or wiping?  The way this thread is going, I can't tell.

The wiping part :eusa_clap:
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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2017, 10:28:26 PM »
Thank you, JALCO, for not bringing this topic up on our recent ERL!
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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2017, 08:00:50 AM »
Thank you, JALCO, for not bringing this topic up on our recent ERL!

You are more than welcome, my friend!  IMHO, in this respect, everyone should mind his own "business".  TMI, as far as I'm concerned... :icon_eek:

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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2017, 08:45:05 AM »
IMHO, in this respect, everyone should mind his own "business". 

 :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :eusa_clap:
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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #21 on: November 08, 2017, 03:08:55 PM »
A little off topic, but we found the perfect bathroom solution when camping in the backcountry sites -- a toilet seat that attaches to your trailer hitch!   (and yes, we use TP!)
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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2017, 04:00:10 PM »
A little off topic, but we found the perfect bathroom solution when camping in the backcountry sites -- a toilet seat that attaches to your trailer hitch!   (and yes, we use TP!)

So, do you leave it attached as you're driving down the highway?  :icon_eek:

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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2017, 05:51:20 PM »
A little off topic, but we found the perfect bathroom solution when camping in the backcountry sites -- a toilet seat that attaches to your trailer hitch!   (and yes, we use TP!)

Talk about an "off topic"!!!
Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #24 on: November 08, 2017, 08:26:41 PM »
This is some funny sh@t here

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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #25 on: November 08, 2017, 09:02:13 PM »
A little off topic, but we found the perfect bathroom solution when camping in the backcountry sites -- a toilet seat that attaches to your trailer hitch!   (and yes, we use TP!)

 :great: If I understand the setup correctly, you've got yourself a toilet seat with a built-in ball mount.
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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2017, 06:25:29 AM »
A little off topic, but we found the perfect bathroom solution when camping in the backcountry sites -- a toilet seat that attaches to your trailer hitch!   (and yes, we use TP!)

 :great: If I understand the setup correctly, you've got yourself a toilet seat with a built-in ball mount.

I get the seat part but who/what catches what falls through the hole?  Where does it go?  Hard to dig a hole in the parking lot.   :eusa_think:
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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2017, 07:21:12 AM »
A little off topic, but we found the perfect bathroom solution when camping in the backcountry sites -- a toilet seat that attaches to your trailer hitch!   (and yes, we use TP!)

 :great: If I understand the setup correctly, you've got yourself a toilet seat with a built-in ball mount.

I get the seat part but who/what catches what falls through the hole?  Where does it go?  Hard to dig a hole in the parking lot.   :eusa_think:

Exactly what I was thinking.  And I guess you’d best be on your way out of the immediate area after visiting the facilities.


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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2017, 08:42:15 AM »
A little off topic, but we found the perfect bathroom solution when camping in the backcountry sites -- a toilet seat that attaches to your trailer hitch!   (and yes, we use TP!)

 :great: If I understand the setup correctly, you've got yourself a toilet seat with a built-in ball mount.

I get the seat part but who/what catches what falls through the hole?  Where does it go?  Hard to dig a hole in the parking lot.   :eusa_think:

Exactly what I was thinking.  And I guess you’d best be on your way out of the immediate area after visiting the facilities.


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Ok, to answer all...
...it doesn't fit onto the ball, it fits into the receiver
...we do not drive with it LOL
...we only use it in the backcountry campsites (i.e. McKinney Spring) - we drive away from the tent site, dig a hole the gravel, and... well, you know...
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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2017, 01:22:24 PM »
For those of us that drive to our campsites, I found this with a bag and "Poo Powder" work quite well. The times I've been with a group, I took a small outhouse style tent I have to provide privacy.
You still have to lug everything out with you, but it's not too bad if you have an external trash bag on your vehicle.
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