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The Scoop on Pooping

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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2017, 01:58:25 PM »
For those of us that drive to our campsites, I found this with a bag and "Poo Powder" work quite well. The times I've been with a group, I took a small outhouse style tent I have to provide privacy.
You still have to lug everything out with you, but it's not too bad if you have an external trash bag on your vehicle.

Nice. Those are not unlike the toilets required on rafting trips down the Rio Grande. For faster, lighter set-ups, you can use WagBags http://www.cleanwaste.com/go-anywhere-toilet-kit  or Biffy Bags, which are a real hoot  http://www.biffybag.com/index.  Both require a deft touch.
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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2017, 07:05:45 PM »
A deft touch is certainly a kind way of describing a WAG bag.  That first time is interesting and takes some careful aiming.  Carrying it out in your pack is also eye opening, not from the smell or anything but that sh*t is heavy! 

Getting rid of my WAG bag in the "dump"ster at the end of a trip.  One happy guy.

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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2017, 08:51:49 PM »
A deft touch is certainly a kind way of describing a WAG bag.  That first time is interesting and takes some careful aiming.  Carrying it out in your pack is also eye opening, not from the smell or anything but that sh*t is heavy! 

Getting rid of my WAG bag in the "dump"ster at the end of a trip.  One happy guy.



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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #33 on: November 10, 2017, 01:56:57 PM »
A significant part of my professional background is in Counseling.  As an old-timer, we used to study Freud a lot.  Old Dr. Sigmund would cock an eye at this thread and say "hummmmmmmmm."

Freud postulated that the second stage of a CHILD'S psychosexual development is the ANAL STAGE.  This is the stage that is attuned to the pleasures (the locations of elimination are highly erogenous) and positive feedbacks ("Mommy and daddy are so proud of your scooping and pooping") associated with elimination and with bowel and bladder control.  Tots can become fascinated with feces at this time. Because of the pleasures, Freud thought that the emerging libido was being stimulated through elimination.

Some individuals can become "stuck" in a stage of psychosexual development  and never really mature beyond them.   "If issues are not resolved in a stage then fixation will occur resulting in an unhealthy personality."  "A fixation at the anal stage can result in a personality that is too rigid or one that is too disordered."

A too-rigid personality resulting from harsh parental demands during potty-training can result what is called an anal-retentive personality. 

An anal-expulsive personality results from too-relaxed potty training and typically manifests as a too-relaxed approach to life.

Are those of you who just can't go without digging your silly little holes in hard pan of the Quemadas trying to please the parental image of  the NPS/rangers?  Are those of us who are not so concerned about titanium trowels, poo powders, and poop-proof baggies extending our laissez faire upbringing into our backpacking adulthood? 

The anal stage typically takes place during age 18 months to three years.  Maybe we just have not grown up ( :icon_wink:)? 
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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #34 on: November 10, 2017, 02:52:52 PM »
 :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:  Who can say? All I know is I do love a good poo joke.  :icon_wink:
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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #35 on: November 10, 2017, 03:21:29 PM »
We also studied Carl Jung, who has led me to the following conclusion.
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The history of modernity is shallow, and the skills required of modernity are artificial.  The collective unconscious (“the Jungian thing”) includes countless generations of interaction with and mastery over nature.  It was in those countless generations that our true selves were formed.

That is why wilderness pastimes like backpacking and hunting are so important to us.  They do not simply pass our time.  They reconnect men trapped in modernity with their much more genuine psychological core (as opposed to the fake and superficial selves developed for the modern veneer). 

Like eating and drawing nutrition from real food instead of consuming empty calories from processed food, when we interact with nature, and reaffirm our personal mastery over nature with the skills and successes of backpacking and hunting, we find and refine our deeper and more human selves.


« Last Edit: November 10, 2017, 06:21:48 PM by dprather »
Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #36 on: November 10, 2017, 03:32:42 PM »
We also studied Carl Jung, who has led me to the following conclusion.
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The history of modernity is shallow, and the skills required of modernity are artificial.  The collective unconscious (“the Jungian thing”) includes countless generations of interaction with and mastery over nature.  It is in those countless generations that our true selves were formed.

That is why wilderness pastimes like backpacking and hunting are so important to us.  They do not simply pass our time.  They reconnect men trapped in modernity with their much more human psychological core (as opposed to the false and superficial selves developed for the modern veneer). 

Like eating and drawing nutrition from real food instead of the empty calories of processed food, when we interreact with nature, and reaffirm our personal mastery over nature with the skills and successes of backpacking and hunting, we find and refine our deeper and more human selves.

SPOT ON, Dprather!  No joke, you nailed it.  :eusa_clap:  Backpacking keeps me forever Jung.  Sort of.
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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #37 on: November 10, 2017, 03:47:19 PM »
Big Bend Chat: from cat holes to Carl Jung.
Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #38 on: November 10, 2017, 03:48:09 PM »
Such in-depth thought on a pooper scooper

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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #39 on: November 10, 2017, 05:08:57 PM »
Such in-depth thought on a pooper scooper

Big Bend Chat: from cat holes to Carl Jung.

Yep. Nothing else like it.  :great:

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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #40 on: November 10, 2017, 05:53:18 PM »
This place sure is great for shootin the sh!t with like-minded folk. You never know what kind of sh!t will turn up!
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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #41 on: November 10, 2017, 11:11:36 PM »
A significant part of my professional background is in Counseling.  As an old-timer, we used to study Freud a lot.  Old Dr. Sigmund would cock an eye at this thread and say "hummmmmmmmm."


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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2017, 08:13:10 AM »
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The collective unconscious (“the Jungian thing”) includes countless generations of interaction with and mastery over nature.  It was in those countless generations that our true selves were formed.


I'm a believer in the concept of there being a "collective" conscious or otherwise. It's becoming tainted. I watched a Curiosity Stream video, called Digits, the other day. It was about how the internet started and where it's headed. By the end of it I was  :shock: :eusa_eh: :willynilly:

Do you know that there is a website called Virtual Girlfriend / Boyfriend (or something to that effect)? It's not a dating site. You fill out the form and it "creates" a significant other for you :vomit: But it gets worse. They have people hired (I guess they get paid, it would be worse if they didn't. Or would it?) to reply to members emails (or whatever they call it). The bizarre part, well... it's all bizarre, is that the conversation they showed was along the lines of Hey, honey I'm on the way home. How was your day. And then the responder says- My day was good. How was yours. Do you have something in mind for dinner? I'll have your glass of wine ready when you get here.  :eusa_doh: But they won't have anything ready... it's an illusion (delusion?). The person answering "feels the part" but, in this case, she does the same thing for 9 or 10 other people. W... T... F... That's not good... it's disassociation from reality. Someone has invented a "coat" whereby someone connected to the web can wear the coat and give someone else, also connected to the web and wearing a coat, a hug and that person can feel the hug  :eusa_naughty:  Uh... no... that's not a hug. I could go into detail about what I think a hug is but... well... it's got some anatomical descriptions of the female form (and the smell of perfume) that might not be appropriate for this site. All true, not rude or crude... just self policing, a little. You can't get that kind of sensory experience from a damn electric bag. I'm almost 60... but I'm not dead  :willynilly: :eusa_dance: I want my social experiences to be real...

What's next? Will I be able to buy a virtual sleeping bag, put on some virtual goggles, and visit anywhere I want to? Maybe hike the Appalachian Trail without ever leaving my house? Cook a meal on a camp stove but not really have the meal? Maybe even program a disaster and if it starts to go bad, end the program. It may have been necessary to have a Holodeck on the Enterprise but that wasn't real either. You can't fake fresh air, solitude, sweating, questioning your route, passing someone on a trail, and all of the other things that make the outdoor experience an experience. I want to believe that, collectively, people will see the so-called advances in technology for what they are and not participate... These kinds of things will disappear if they aren't used. The throw away society will toss it out.


These things exist because someone feels the need for them. Daniel Goleman wrote Social Intelligence years ago. The iPod had just hit the scene, that's how long ago it was. He predicted that this, or some version of this, would happen. 


I don't want to be part of a collective that has mental health issues.

Now back to the poop at hand... This post could be considered to be social poop I guess. Maybe.

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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2017, 08:43:19 AM »
What's next? Will I be able to buy a virtual sleeping bag, put on some virtual goggles, and visit anywhere I want to?
 

I'm afraid that's EXACTLY where we're headed.  Every wilderness trip I take is pushback against it.  I find myself disliking almost every futurist I read or hear, but I also find myself thinking they may be right, more or less, in their predictions. Not a happy thought. Moore's Law may not continue forever, but it may very well get us as far as The Singularity. After that, all bets are off.

Now back to the poop at hand... This post could be considered to be social poop I guess. Maybe.

iCe, you raise so many interesting subjects, that I'm pooped just thinking about them. I'm gonna need another cup of coffee to keep up with BBC this morning.


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Re: The Scoop on Pooping
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2017, 01:41:20 PM »
What's next? Will I be able to buy a virtual sleeping bag, put on some virtual goggles, and visit anywhere I want to? Maybe hike the Appalachian Trail without ever leaving my house?

Hmmmm...well don't go here: http://www.virtualbigbend.com/
...it'll just ruin it for you.   :icon_lol:

Last time I had a rant like that, my wife said: "Here's a scoop, you're just an old POOP!"  Of course she was correct about me (standby a minute......"Hey! you kids get off my lawn...just go away!"......Ok, I'm back) , but I suspect it's a more temporary situation for you iCe?  :eusa_think:
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