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Title: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: dprather on November 06, 2017, 10:58:47 PM
Don't know if I'd put baby wipes up in the top ten, but I might want to add, "thou shalt not run out of toilet paper". Several years ago a buddy and I spent a week climbing in the Maroon  Bells-Snowmass Wilderness.  We split up at Snowmass Lake: he hiked over Buckskin Pass and out to Maroon Lake, then took the tourist bus back to Aspen and flew home to Dallas that evening; meanwhile I backpacked over the mountains toward Crested Butte where I had a meeting to attend in a few days. Later that evening while making camp I discovered my friend had accidentally taken the communal toilet kit with him, including ALL the toilet paper.  That made the next two days of hiking way more interesting than I'd hoped for.   :eusa_doh:

Serious question: do you think that a communal toilet kit is wise?
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: Quatro on November 06, 2017, 11:33:21 PM
Don't know if I'd put baby wipes up in the top ten, but I might want to add, "thou shalt not run out of toilet paper". Several years ago a buddy and I spent a week climbing in the Maroon  Bells-Snowmass Wilderness.  We split up at Snowmass Lake: he hiked over Buckskin Pass and out to Maroon Lake, then took the tourist bus back to Aspen and flew home to Dallas that evening; meanwhile I backpacked over the mountains toward Crested Butte where I had a meeting to attend in a few days. Later that evening while making camp I discovered my friend had accidentally taken the communal toilet kit with him, including ALL the toilet paper.  That made the next two days of hiking way more interesting than I'd hoped for.   :eusa_doh:

Yep.  After running out of TP in the Wind Rivers during an early June trip, I can tell you that a snow ball formed a certain way can do the trick.  The first few days are a little rough, but after a week you get sorta used to it.  Not so used to it that you EVER run out again, but still....
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 07, 2017, 01:31:53 AM
Don't know if I'd put baby wipes up in the top ten, but I might want to add, "thou shalt not run out of toilet paper". Several years ago a buddy and I spent a week climbing in the Maroon  Bells-Snowmass Wilderness.  We split up at Snowmass Lake: he hiked over Buckskin Pass and out to Maroon Lake, then took the tourist bus back to Aspen and flew home to Dallas that evening; meanwhile I backpacked over the mountains toward Crested Butte where I had a meeting to attend in a few days. Later that evening while making camp I discovered my friend had accidentally taken the communal toilet kit with him, including ALL the toilet paper.  That made the next two days of hiking way more interesting than I'd hoped for.   :eusa_doh:

Yep.  After running out of TP in the Wind Rivers during an early June trip, I can tell you that a snow ball formed a certain way can do the trick.  The first few days are a little rough, but after a week you get sorta used to it.  Not so used to it that you EVER run out again, but still....

 :rolling:

Serious question: do you think that a communal toilet kit is wise?

Well, I did at the time. My friend was relatively new to backpacking and so I carried most of the big weight, plus he was going back to Aspen and Dallas after a week and I was going to continue backpacking across the high passes to Crested Butte, so it made sense for me to carry the tent and the cooking gear because I was going to have to carry it all by myself at some point anyway. I loaded my friend up with the food , the medical kit, and the toilet kit. When we went our separate ways, he remembered to give me everything but the toilet kit and I, stupidly, didn't double-check. I've never made that mistake again: I ALWAYS stash at least one small roll of TP somewhere in my pack, just in case.

But, I assume what you really mean is...is it hygienically wise? In all seriousness, I think sharing a single trowel, a single TP supply, and a single bottle of hand sanitizer between multiple people is just fine. Now, a single ziploc for storing dirty TP....well, yeah, that could be a little complicated and off-putting. But, you know, I've always done it. That may also be why I generally wind up hiking all by myself....   :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: dprather on November 07, 2017, 03:00:36 AM
Don't know if I'd put baby wipes up in the top ten, but I might want to add, "thou shalt not run out of toilet paper". Several years ago a buddy and I spent a week climbing in the Maroon  Bells-Snowmass Wilderness.  We split up at Snowmass Lake: he hiked over Buckskin Pass and out to Maroon Lake, then took the tourist bus back to Aspen and flew home to Dallas that evening; meanwhile I backpacked over the mountains toward Crested Butte where I had a meeting to attend in a few days. Later that evening while making camp I discovered my friend had accidentally taken the communal toilet kit with him, including ALL the toilet paper.  That made the next two days of hiking way more interesting than I'd hoped for.   :eusa_doh:

Yep.  After running out of TP in the Wind Rivers during an early June trip, I can tell you that a snow ball formed a certain way can do the trick.  The first few days are a little rough, but after a week you get sorta used to it.  Not so used to it that you EVER run out again, but still....

 :rolling:

Serious question: do you think that a communal toilet kit is wise?

Well, I did at the time. My friend was relatively new to backpacking and so I carried most of the big weight, plus he was going back to Aspen and Dallas after a week and I was going to continue backpacking across the high passes to Crested Butte, so it made sense for me to carry the tent and the cooking gear because I was going to have to carry it all by myself at some point anyway. I loaded my friend up with the food , the medical kit, and the toilet kit. When we went our separate ways, he remembered to give me everything but the toilet kit and I, stupidly, didn't double-check. I've never made that mistake again: I ALWAYS stash at least one small roll of TP somewhere in my pack, just in case.

But, I assume what you really mean is...is it hygienically wise? In all seriousness, I think sharing a single trowel, a single TP supply, and a single bottle of hand sanitizer between multiple people is just fine. Now, a single ziploc for storing dirty TP....well, yeah, that could be a little complicated and off-putting. But, you know, I've always done it. That may also be why I generally wind up hiking all by myself....   :icon_rolleyes:

There are just some things of such profound need that I have always though that I have should have my own of some things. 
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: DesertRatShorty on November 07, 2017, 08:31:50 AM
I haven't used TP since my first year backpacking. It just takes up too much space and is unnecessary.

Good articles on the technique by Mike Clelland (http://ultralightbackpackintips.blogspot.com/2012/09/liberate-yourself-from-toilet-paper.html) (whose book I highly recommend) and Andrew Skurka (https://andrewskurka.com/2016/how-to-poop-in-the-outdoors-part-1-site-selection/).
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: nuggetf5 on November 07, 2017, 11:39:03 AM
TMI
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 07, 2017, 11:57:21 AM
I haven't used TP since my first year backpacking. It just takes up too much space and is unnecessary. I'll use natural objects (smooth rocks, pine cones, etc.) to do most of the cleaning, and for the final cleaning I'll use (1) water + one hand if there's a lot of water on the trail (2) a paper towel square or moist towelette if in a desert. In a desert especially this saves having to pack out the used TP.

Good articles on this by Mike Clelland (http://ultralightbackpackintips.blogspot.com/2012/09/liberate-yourself-from-toilet-paper.html) (whose book I highly recommend) and Andrew Skurka (https://andrewskurka.com/2016/how-to-poop-in-the-outdoors-part-1-site-selection/).

Lord almighty, Shorty, you are hardcore. I'm impressed.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 07, 2017, 12:01:02 PM
There are just some things of such profound need that I have always though that I have should have my own of some things.

 :icon_lol: And there are some of us that have to learn that lesson the hard way.  :-[
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: elhombre on November 07, 2017, 12:13:40 PM
I haven't used TP since my first year backpacking. It just takes up too much space and is unnecessary. I'll use natural objects (smooth rocks, pine cones, etc.) to do most of the cleaning, and for the final cleaning I'll use (1) water + one hand if there's a lot of water on the trail (2) a paper towel square or moist towelette if in a desert. In a desert especially this saves having to pack out the used TP.

Good articles on this by Mike Clelland (http://ultralightbackpackintips.blogspot.com/2012/09/liberate-yourself-from-toilet-paper.html) (whose book I highly recommend) and Andrew Skurka (https://andrewskurka.com/2016/how-to-poop-in-the-outdoors-part-1-site-selection/).


Whats the difference in packing out a poopy paper towel or moist towelette verses poopy TP?
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: dprather on November 07, 2017, 12:47:08 PM
I am begging, pleading, for certain TMI to be transferred to its own thread.  For the life of me, though, I do not know where that other thread belongs :o
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 07, 2017, 01:13:04 PM
I am begging, pleading, for certain TMI to be transferred to its own thread.  For the life of me, though, I do not know where that other thread belongs :o

 :icon_lol: Fair point. We need a "how to sh*t in the BiBe" thread.  Maybe it could be titled, "The Scoop on Pooping".  You laugh, but it's one of the more challenging backcountry skills, and failure to meet the challenge can be a very bad thing for all involved.


Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: mule ears on November 07, 2017, 01:19:19 PM
I am begging, pleading, for certain TMI to be transferred to its own thread.  For the life of me, though, I do not know where that other thread belongs :o

 :icon_lol: Fair point. We need a "how to sh*t in the BiBe" thread.  Maybe it could be titled, "The Scoop on Pooping".  You laugh, but it's one of the more challenging backcountry skills, and failure to meet the challenge can be a very bad thing for all involved.

There is a whole book called "How to Sh*t in the Woods" (https://www.amazon.com/How-Shit-Woods-3rd-Environmentally/dp/1580083633) 3rd edition.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 07, 2017, 02:00:01 PM
I am begging, pleading, for certain TMI to be transferred to its own thread.  For the life of me, though, I do not know where that other thread belongs :o

 :icon_lol: Fair point. We need a "how to sh*t in the BiBe" thread.  Maybe it could be titled, "The Scoop on Pooping".  You laugh, but it's one of the more challenging backcountry skills, and failure to meet the challenge can be a very bad thing for all involved.

There is a whole book called "How to Sh*t in the Woods" (https://www.amazon.com/How-Shit-Woods-3rd-Environmentally/dp/1580083633) 3rd edition.

Hahaha, yes I used to own it.  Serious subject, funny delivery.  I highly recommend it.

Now that this thread exists (thanks, BBC!!!) and assuming that others may actually come here looking for real advice, I'm going to take this opportunity to recommend my absolute favorite toilet trowel. I used this last year on my two-week cross-park hike, as well as three or four other trips in the last twelve months. Best trowel ever. Weighs about 17 grams (a little over half an ounce)!  Practically indestructible, and if you do bend it, you can bend it right back into shape. Cuts through almost anything, dislodges huge rocks.  You can even use it as a tent stake, especially good in sand or snow. The Deuce of Spades.   

http://thetentlab.com/Deuce/DeuceofSpadespage.html

                     

Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: badknees on November 07, 2017, 03:04:29 PM
When hiking the desert, a properly tapered, erosion smoothed limestone rock is very effective!!
Title: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 07, 2017, 03:06:07 PM
When hiking the desert, a properly tapered, erosion smoothed limestone rock is very effective!!

Effective at what, BK?  As a trowel or a towel (so to speak)? Are we talking digging or wiping?  The way this thread is going, I can't tell.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: DesertRatShorty on November 07, 2017, 06:33:59 PM
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Lord almighty, Shorty, you are hardcore. I'm impressed.

Thanks House, but not sure I qualify. It's certainly counter-cultural to us, but people have done without TP since the dawn of time. In some parts of the world, the ol' hand and water method still reigns supreme. That's why in those cultures you don't do anything requiring cleanliness (eating, shaking hands) with the left hand.

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Whats the difference in packing out a poopy paper towel or moist towelette verses poopy TP?

To be more clear, I was contrasting (a) using TP exclusively with (b) using rocks and such, followed up by either water or a square or two of some form of paper, in which case the difference is the quantity of paper you have to pack (in and out).

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Now that this thread exists (thanks, BBC!!!) and assuming that others may actually come here looking for real advice, I'm going to take this opportunity to recommend my absolute favorite toilet trowel. I used this last year on my two-week cross-park hike, as well as three or four other trips in the last twelve months. Best trowel ever. Weighs about 17 grams (a little over half an ounce)!  Practically indestructible, and if you do bend it, you can bend it right back into shape. Cuts through almost anything, dislodges huge rocks.  You can even use it as a tent stake, especially good in sand or snow. The Deuce of Spades.

According to the Leave No Trace website (https://lnt.org/learn/principle-3),

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Proper disposal of human waste is important to avoid pollution of water sources, avoid the negative implications of someone else finding it, minimize the possibility of spreading disease, and maximize the rate of decomposition.

LNT further advises

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In a hot desert, human waste does not biodegrade easily because there is little organic soil to help break it down. In the desert, the cathole should be only 4-6 inches deep. This will allow the heat and sun to hasten the decay process.

So let's suppose you're in Big Bend and are far from water and off trail where no one will likely pass in the next 10 years. Maybe you're hiking up to Jack's pass, and at some random location you head 100 yds off the route to do your business. Since decomposition is not aided by the soil, but just the sun, why is digging a cathole advisable in that case? Why not just find a nice south-facing slope and let the sun do its work? Is it that an animal might catch a disease, or spread it to where humans might pass?

I normally aim to dig a standard cathole, but this thread has got me to pondering some real deep sh*t.




Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 07, 2017, 08:05:32 PM
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Lord almighty, Shorty, you are hardcore. I'm impressed.

Thanks House, but not sure I qualify. It's certainly counter-cultural to us, but people have done without TP since the dawn of time. In some parts of the world, the ol' hand and water method still reigns supreme. That's why in those cultures you don't do anything requiring cleanliness (eating, shaking hands) with the left hand.

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Whats the difference in packing out a poopy paper towel or moist towelette verses poopy TP?

To be more clear, I was contrasting (a) using TP exclusively with (b) using rocks and such, followed up by either water or a square or two of some form of paper, in which case the difference is the quantity of paper you have to pack (in and out).

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Now that this thread exists (thanks, BBC!!!) and assuming that others may actually come here looking for real advice, I'm going to take this opportunity to recommend my absolute favorite toilet trowel. I used this last year on my two-week cross-park hike, as well as three or four other trips in the last twelve months. Best trowel ever. Weighs about 17 grams (a little over half an ounce)!  Practically indestructible, and if you do bend it, you can bend it right back into shape. Cuts through almost anything, dislodges huge rocks.  You can even use it as a tent stake, especially good in sand or snow. The Deuce of Spades.

According to the Leave No Trace website (https://lnt.org/learn/principle-3),

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Proper disposal of human waste is important to avoid pollution of water sources, avoid the negative implications of someone else finding it, minimize the possibility of spreading disease, and maximize the rate of decomposition.

LNT further advises

Quote
In a hot desert, human waste does not biodegrade easily because there is little organic soil to help break it down. In the desert, the cathole should be only 4-6 inches deep. This will allow the heat and sun to hasten the decay process.

So let's suppose you're in Big Bend and are far from water and off trail where no one will likely pass in the next 10 years. Maybe you're hiking up to Jack's pass, and at some random location you head 100 yds off the route to do your business. Since decomposition is not aided by the soil, but just the sun, why is digging a cathole advisable in that case? Why not just find a nice south-facing slope and let the sun do its work? Is it that an animal might catch a disease, or spread it to where humans might pass?

I normally aim to dig a standard cathole, but this thread has got me to pondering some real deep sh*t.

 :icon_lol:  Deep sh*t indeed.  I'm with you on the dawn of time stuff, Shorty. Originally, instead of calling you hardcore, I was gonna congratulate you on being a walking, talking Homo habilis.  http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/species/homo-habilis  And I meant it as a compliment, not a dig. I could see myself trying your method, but I'm not sure the right hand would want to know what the left hand was doing.

I have used the dump and smear technique many times: some while in red rock country in Arizona and Utah, and some while climbing among talus and rock faces high above treeline.  I've never gotten quite comfortable with it,  That probably makes me a bit of a waste weanie.  Speaking theoretically, though, if I were really, really off the beaten path and far from surface water or obvious drainages in a landscape inhospitable to soil-based decomposition, then I'd have no problem leaving a surface deposit, dog style.  I can't think of any convincing reason to do otherwise.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: badknees on November 07, 2017, 09:14:16 PM
When hiking the desert, a properly tapered, erosion smoothed limestone rock is very effective!!

Effective at what, BK?  As a trowel or a towel (so to speak)? Are we talking digging or wiping?  The way this thread is going, I can't tell.

The wiping part :eusa_clap:
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: dprather on November 07, 2017, 10:28:26 PM
Thank you, JALCO, for not bringing this topic up on our recent ERL!
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: Jalco on November 08, 2017, 08:00:50 AM
Thank you, JALCO, for not bringing this topic up on our recent ERL!

You are more than welcome, my friend!  IMHO, in this respect, everyone should mind his own "business".  TMI, as far as I'm concerned... :icon_eek:
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 08, 2017, 08:45:05 AM
IMHO, in this respect, everyone should mind his own "business". 

 :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :eusa_clap:
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: ds9writer on November 08, 2017, 03:08:55 PM
A little off topic, but we found the perfect bathroom solution when camping in the backcountry sites -- a toilet seat that attaches to your trailer hitch!   (and yes, we use TP!)
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: Jalco on November 08, 2017, 04:00:10 PM
A little off topic, but we found the perfect bathroom solution when camping in the backcountry sites -- a toilet seat that attaches to your trailer hitch!   (and yes, we use TP!)

So, do you leave it attached as you're driving down the highway?  :icon_eek:
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: dprather on November 08, 2017, 05:51:20 PM
A little off topic, but we found the perfect bathroom solution when camping in the backcountry sites -- a toilet seat that attaches to your trailer hitch!   (and yes, we use TP!)

Talk about an "off topic"!!!
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: Txlj on November 08, 2017, 08:26:41 PM
This is some funny sh@t here

Sent from flat land

Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 08, 2017, 09:02:13 PM
A little off topic, but we found the perfect bathroom solution when camping in the backcountry sites -- a toilet seat that attaches to your trailer hitch!   (and yes, we use TP!)

 :great: If I understand the setup correctly, you've got yourself a toilet seat with a built-in ball mount.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: mule ears on November 09, 2017, 06:25:29 AM
A little off topic, but we found the perfect bathroom solution when camping in the backcountry sites -- a toilet seat that attaches to your trailer hitch!   (and yes, we use TP!)

 :great: If I understand the setup correctly, you've got yourself a toilet seat with a built-in ball mount.

I get the seat part but who/what catches what falls through the hole?  Where does it go?  Hard to dig a hole in the parking lot.   :eusa_think:
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: Slimkitty on November 09, 2017, 07:21:12 AM
A little off topic, but we found the perfect bathroom solution when camping in the backcountry sites -- a toilet seat that attaches to your trailer hitch!   (and yes, we use TP!)

 :great: If I understand the setup correctly, you've got yourself a toilet seat with a built-in ball mount.

I get the seat part but who/what catches what falls through the hole?  Where does it go?  Hard to dig a hole in the parking lot.   :eusa_think:

Exactly what I was thinking.  And I guess you’d best be on your way out of the immediate area after visiting the facilities.


Sent from the future.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: ds9writer on November 09, 2017, 08:42:15 AM
A little off topic, but we found the perfect bathroom solution when camping in the backcountry sites -- a toilet seat that attaches to your trailer hitch!   (and yes, we use TP!)

 :great: If I understand the setup correctly, you've got yourself a toilet seat with a built-in ball mount.

I get the seat part but who/what catches what falls through the hole?  Where does it go?  Hard to dig a hole in the parking lot.   :eusa_think:

Exactly what I was thinking.  And I guess you’d best be on your way out of the immediate area after visiting the facilities.


Sent from the future.

Ok, to answer all...
...it doesn't fit onto the ball, it fits into the receiver
...we do not drive with it LOL
...we only use it in the backcountry campsites (i.e. McKinney Spring) - we drive away from the tent site, dig a hole the gravel, and... well, you know...
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: BlindWilly on November 09, 2017, 01:22:24 PM
For those of us that drive to our campsites, I found this with a bag and "Poo Powder" work quite well. The times I've been with a group, I took a small outhouse style tent I have to provide privacy.
You still have to lug everything out with you, but it's not too bad if you have an external trash bag on your vehicle.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 09, 2017, 01:58:25 PM
For those of us that drive to our campsites, I found this with a bag and "Poo Powder" work quite well. The times I've been with a group, I took a small outhouse style tent I have to provide privacy.
You still have to lug everything out with you, but it's not too bad if you have an external trash bag on your vehicle.

Nice. Those are not unlike the toilets required on rafting trips down the Rio Grande. For faster, lighter set-ups, you can use WagBags http://www.cleanwaste.com/go-anywhere-toilet-kit  or Biffy Bags, which are a real hoot  http://www.biffybag.com/index.  Both require a deft touch.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: mule ears on November 09, 2017, 07:05:45 PM
A deft touch is certainly a kind way of describing a WAG bag.  That first time is interesting and takes some careful aiming.  Carrying it out in your pack is also eye opening, not from the smell or anything but that sh*t is heavy! 

Getting rid of my WAG bag in the "dump"ster at the end of a trip.  One happy guy.

(https://i0.wp.com/www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/poopbagdump.jpg)
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 09, 2017, 08:51:49 PM
A deft touch is certainly a kind way of describing a WAG bag.  That first time is interesting and takes some careful aiming.  Carrying it out in your pack is also eye opening, not from the smell or anything but that sh*t is heavy! 

Getting rid of my WAG bag in the "dump"ster at the end of a trip.  One happy guy.

(https://i0.wp.com/www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/poopbagdump.jpg)

 :great:
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: dprather on November 10, 2017, 01:56:57 PM
A significant part of my professional background is in Counseling.  As an old-timer, we used to study Freud a lot.  Old Dr. Sigmund would cock an eye at this thread and say "hummmmmmmmm."

Freud postulated that the second stage of a CHILD'S psychosexual development is the ANAL STAGE.  This is the stage that is attuned to the pleasures (the locations of elimination are highly erogenous) and positive feedbacks ("Mommy and daddy are so proud of your scooping and pooping") associated with elimination and with bowel and bladder control.  Tots can become fascinated with feces at this time. Because of the pleasures, Freud thought that the emerging libido was being stimulated through elimination.

Some individuals can become "stuck" in a stage of psychosexual development  and never really mature beyond them.   "If issues are not resolved in a stage then fixation will occur resulting in an unhealthy personality."  "A fixation at the anal stage can result in a personality that is too rigid or one that is too disordered."

A too-rigid personality resulting from harsh parental demands during potty-training can result what is called an anal-retentive personality. 

An anal-expulsive personality results from too-relaxed potty training and typically manifests as a too-relaxed approach to life.

Are those of you who just can't go without digging your silly little holes in hard pan of the Quemadas trying to please the parental image of  the NPS/rangers?  Are those of us who are not so concerned about titanium trowels, poo powders, and poop-proof baggies extending our laissez faire upbringing into our backpacking adulthood? 

The anal stage typically takes place during age 18 months to three years.  Maybe we just have not grown up ( :icon_wink:)? 
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 10, 2017, 02:52:52 PM
 :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:  Who can say? All I know is I do love a good poo joke.  :icon_wink:
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: dprather on November 10, 2017, 03:21:29 PM
We also studied Carl Jung, who has led me to the following conclusion.
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The history of modernity is shallow, and the skills required of modernity are artificial.  The collective unconscious (“the Jungian thing”) includes countless generations of interaction with and mastery over nature.  It was in those countless generations that our true selves were formed.

That is why wilderness pastimes like backpacking and hunting are so important to us.  They do not simply pass our time.  They reconnect men trapped in modernity with their much more genuine psychological core (as opposed to the fake and superficial selves developed for the modern veneer). 

Like eating and drawing nutrition from real food instead of consuming empty calories from processed food, when we interact with nature, and reaffirm our personal mastery over nature with the skills and successes of backpacking and hunting, we find and refine our deeper and more human selves.


Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 10, 2017, 03:32:42 PM
We also studied Carl Jung, who has led me to the following conclusion.
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The history of modernity is shallow, and the skills required of modernity are artificial.  The collective unconscious (“the Jungian thing”) includes countless generations of interaction with and mastery over nature.  It is in those countless generations that our true selves were formed.

That is why wilderness pastimes like backpacking and hunting are so important to us.  They do not simply pass our time.  They reconnect men trapped in modernity with their much more human psychological core (as opposed to the false and superficial selves developed for the modern veneer). 

Like eating and drawing nutrition from real food instead of the empty calories of processed food, when we interreact with nature, and reaffirm our personal mastery over nature with the skills and successes of backpacking and hunting, we find and refine our deeper and more human selves.

SPOT ON, Dprather!  No joke, you nailed it.  :eusa_clap:  Backpacking keeps me forever Jung.  Sort of.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: dprather on November 10, 2017, 03:47:19 PM
Big Bend Chat: from cat holes to Carl Jung.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: Txlj on November 10, 2017, 03:48:09 PM
Such in-depth thought on a pooper scooper

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Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 10, 2017, 05:08:57 PM
Such in-depth thought on a pooper scooper

Big Bend Chat: from cat holes to Carl Jung.

Yep. Nothing else like it.  :great:

Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: rocketman on November 10, 2017, 05:53:18 PM
This place sure is great for shootin the sh!t with like-minded folk. You never know what kind of sh!t will turn up!
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: presidio on November 10, 2017, 11:11:36 PM
A significant part of my professional background is in Counseling.  As an old-timer, we used to study Freud a lot.  Old Dr. Sigmund would cock an eye at this thread and say "hummmmmmmmm."


Immanuel Kant: To be is to do.

Sigmund Freud: To do is to be.

Frank Sinatra: Do be do be do

 :dance:
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: iCe on November 11, 2017, 08:13:10 AM
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The collective unconscious (“the Jungian thing”) includes countless generations of interaction with and mastery over nature.  It was in those countless generations that our true selves were formed.


I'm a believer in the concept of there being a "collective" conscious or otherwise. It's becoming tainted. I watched a Curiosity Stream video, called Digits, the other day. It was about how the internet started and where it's headed. By the end of it I was  :shock: :eusa_eh: :willynilly:

Do you know that there is a website called Virtual Girlfriend / Boyfriend (or something to that effect)? It's not a dating site. You fill out the form and it "creates" a significant other for you :vomit: But it gets worse. They have people hired (I guess they get paid, it would be worse if they didn't. Or would it?) to reply to members emails (or whatever they call it). The bizarre part, well... it's all bizarre, is that the conversation they showed was along the lines of Hey, honey I'm on the way home. How was your day. And then the responder says- My day was good. How was yours. Do you have something in mind for dinner? I'll have your glass of wine ready when you get here.  :eusa_doh: But they won't have anything ready... it's an illusion (delusion?). The person answering "feels the part" but, in this case, she does the same thing for 9 or 10 other people. W... T... F... That's not good... it's disassociation from reality. Someone has invented a "coat" whereby someone connected to the web can wear the coat and give someone else, also connected to the web and wearing a coat, a hug and that person can feel the hug  :eusa_naughty:  Uh... no... that's not a hug. I could go into detail about what I think a hug is but... well... it's got some anatomical descriptions of the female form (and the smell of perfume) that might not be appropriate for this site. All true, not rude or crude... just self policing, a little. You can't get that kind of sensory experience from a damn electric bag. I'm almost 60... but I'm not dead  :willynilly: :eusa_dance: I want my social experiences to be real...

What's next? Will I be able to buy a virtual sleeping bag, put on some virtual goggles, and visit anywhere I want to? Maybe hike the Appalachian Trail without ever leaving my house? Cook a meal on a camp stove but not really have the meal? Maybe even program a disaster and if it starts to go bad, end the program. It may have been necessary to have a Holodeck on the Enterprise but that wasn't real either. You can't fake fresh air, solitude, sweating, questioning your route, passing someone on a trail, and all of the other things that make the outdoor experience an experience. I want to believe that, collectively, people will see the so-called advances in technology for what they are and not participate... These kinds of things will disappear if they aren't used. The throw away society will toss it out.


These things exist because someone feels the need for them. Daniel Goleman wrote Social Intelligence years ago. The iPod had just hit the scene, that's how long ago it was. He predicted that this, or some version of this, would happen. 


I don't want to be part of a collective that has mental health issues.

Now back to the poop at hand... This post could be considered to be social poop I guess. Maybe.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 11, 2017, 08:43:19 AM
What's next? Will I be able to buy a virtual sleeping bag, put on some virtual goggles, and visit anywhere I want to?
 

I'm afraid that's EXACTLY where we're headed.  Every wilderness trip I take is pushback against it.  I find myself disliking almost every futurist I read or hear, but I also find myself thinking they may be right, more or less, in their predictions. Not a happy thought. Moore's Law may not continue forever, but it may very well get us as far as The Singularity. After that, all bets are off.

Now back to the poop at hand... This post could be considered to be social poop I guess. Maybe.

iCe, you raise so many interesting subjects, that I'm pooped just thinking about them. I'm gonna need another cup of coffee to keep up with BBC this morning.


Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: fartymarty on November 11, 2017, 01:41:20 PM
What's next? Will I be able to buy a virtual sleeping bag, put on some virtual goggles, and visit anywhere I want to? Maybe hike the Appalachian Trail without ever leaving my house?

Hmmmm...well don't go here: http://www.virtualbigbend.com/
...it'll just ruin it for you.   :icon_lol:

Last time I had a rant like that, my wife said: "Here's a scoop, you're just an old POOP!"  Of course she was correct about me (standby a minute......"Hey! you kids get off my lawn...just go away!"......Ok, I'm back) , but I suspect it's a more temporary situation for you iCe?  :eusa_think:
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: Jalco on November 11, 2017, 05:38:41 PM
What's next? Will I be able to buy a virtual sleeping bag, put on some virtual goggles, and visit anywhere I want to? Maybe hike the Appalachian Trail without ever leaving my house? Cook a meal on a camp stove but not really have the meal? Maybe even program a disaster and if it starts to go bad, end the program. It may have been necessary to have a Holodeck on the Enterprise but that wasn't real either. You can't fake fresh air, solitude, sweating, questioning your route, [/font]passing someone on a trail, and all of the other things that make the outdoor experience an experience. I want to believe that, collectively, people will see the so-called advances in technology for what they are and not participate... These kinds of things will disappear if they aren't used. The throw away society will toss it out.

The thing is all that virtual (un)reality will disappear once the power fails.  And then everyone wakes up from their stupor, "what do I do now?".  Technology is wonderful (we're having this fascinating conversation, from multiple locations, due to it), but it can't do everything.  A computer can't paint your house (though I suppose a machine with a computer could be programmed to do so), or plant a tree, or feed a baby.

Not sure what I'm really trying to say, but I agree with the idea that being outside - feeling heat/cold, hearing the wind/water, seeing color and movement - makes us feel alive.  As iCe posted, "you can't fake that".  My wife knows when I need an "outdoor fix" - even if it's just taking the dogs around the block - and knows I'm a more agreeable man when I get outside.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: presidio on November 11, 2017, 06:08:06 PM
What's next? Will I be able to buy a virtual sleeping bag, put on some virtual goggles, and visit anywhere I want to?

This is the wet dream of the funny hatters. Tourists stay home and they have the parks to themselves.

Only thing they haven't factored is that if we don't come, they have no reason to exist. Just as fees cause funding to dry up, when users disappear so does the need for a private playground.

Once you exclude the tourists and the funny hatters are no more, only Dewey will be left to do everything that needs doing in the places no one visits anymore.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: Jalco on November 11, 2017, 06:09:50 PM
What's next? Will I be able to buy a virtual sleeping bag, put on some virtual goggles, and visit anywhere I want to?

This is the wet dream of the funny hatters. Tourists stay home and they have the parks to themselves.

Only thing they haven't factored is that if we don't come, they have no reason to exist. Just as fees cause funding to dry up, when users disappear so does the need for a private playground.

Once you exclude the tourists and the funny hatters are no more, only Dewey will be left to do everything that needs doing in the places no one visits anymore.

What happened to Huey and Louey? :willynilly:
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: presidio on November 11, 2017, 06:28:17 PM
What's next? Will I be able to buy a virtual sleeping bag, put on some virtual goggles, and visit anywhere I want to?

This is the wet dream of the funny hatters. Tourists stay home and they have the parks to themselves.

Only thing they haven't factored is that if we don't come, they have no reason to exist. Just as fees cause funding to dry up, when users disappear so does the need for a private playground.

Once you exclude the tourists and the funny hatters are no more, only Dewey will be left to do everything that needs doing in the places no one visits anymore.

What happened to Huey and Louey? :willynilly:

Ah, that is for someone else to say. Let's just say it's a bit of a knowledge test (perhaps 'trivia' is a better word).
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: dprather on November 11, 2017, 08:13:48 PM
"I find myself disliking almost every futurist I read or hear, but I also find myself thinking they may be right, more or less, in their predictions. Not a happy thought."

The futurists are all over the place.  For every glossy utopian hope there are as many dystopian horrors.  For every IMAGINed future of social harmony and technological advancement, there is a violent  ROAD WARRIOR and a dark BLADE RUNNER. 
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: dprather on November 11, 2017, 08:16:55 PM
What's next? Will I be able to buy a virtual sleeping bag, put on some virtual goggles, and visit anywhere I want to?

This is the wet dream of the funny hatters. Tourists stay home and they have the parks to themselves.

Only thing they haven't factored is that if we don't come, they have no reason to exist. Just as fees cause funding to dry up, when users disappear so does the need for a private playground.

Once you exclude the tourists and the funny hatters are no more, only Dewey will be left to do everything that needs doing in the places no one visits anymore.

What happened to Huey and Louey? :willynilly:

Ah, that is for someone else to say. Let's just say it's a bit of a knowledge test (perhaps 'trivia' is a better word).

Big Bend Chat: cat holes, Carl Jung, and SILENT RUNNING (as I recall, this is our second thread to include references to SILENT RUNNING - that's gotta be a social media record).
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: presidio on November 11, 2017, 10:58:38 PM
SILENT RUNNING (as I recall, this is our second thread to include references to SILENT RUNNING - that's gotta be a social media record).

 :eusa_clap:  :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:

Those who've never seen Silent Running should do so. It holds up well as premier science fiction.

Check out the Andromeda Strain as well. The opening scenes of the village and surveillance fly over are at Shafter TX.

For something light: Fandango.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: iCe on November 12, 2017, 09:09:59 AM
What's next? Will I be able to buy a virtual sleeping bag, put on some virtual goggles, and visit anywhere I want to? Maybe hike the Appalachian Trail without ever leaving my house?


Hmmmm...well don't go here: http://www.virtualbigbend.com/
...it'll just ruin it for you.   :icon_lol:

Last time I had a rant like that, my wife said: "Here's a scoop, you're just an old POOP!"  Of course she was correct about me (standby a minute......"Hey! you kids get off my lawn...just go away!"
......Ok, I'm back) , but I suspect it's a more temporary situation for you iCe?  :eusa_think:


I like that site but I can't smell anything or hear the silence  :icon_smile:


My rant was the product of shock. I was and am still amazed with the negative impact of the internet and social media on the social nature of society. The internet is not a bit social in psychological terms. It's unsocial.

Back in my motorcycle riding days (VTX 1800) I was on a VTX forum and met many, many fellow riders. Not just on the board though. Not just bar hopping (never really go into that). We had an event in Denver every year. Over a 1,000 of us convened in the Rockies for a week, rode the twisties, saw the sites, broke bread, and enjoyed a beverage or two. Good times. My last long trip was to southern California. I rode out, met about 25 of my friends, and road back to the first Bike Week in Tombstone, AZ with them. One night we filled Big Nose Kate's saloon to standing room only (others had heard of the trip and rode in separately). When it was over, they headed west in the group and I headed east solo... except a few of my friends decided to tag along until El Paso. Just to be social  :eusa_clap: And they liked to ride. I remember one of guys said something to the effect of if you can ride all the way to CA just to ride with us the least we can do is ride to TX with you. That's being social...

The bike and I parted ways one day. Literally. It went toward a tree, I got off before it arrived at the tree and severely dislocated my shoulder. I rode pretty hard and had gone down in a curve a few years earlier, broke helmet, bent me a little but I was just sore, and a month later my bike was fixed and I rode it to Denver. I used that as a lesson and put a lot of focus on learning to ride the way I wanted to after that (loved the twisties back then) but this crash was at about 15 mph and would take too long to get into here. Kind of a fluke thing, and of course, a rider thing. I should've paid more attention to the condition of the road that we were on. A year later and a good bit of PT later I got back into photography, with bike insurance money :icon_lol: I got one of those new gee whiz digital cameras. I found the Texas Photo Forum, met tons of great people, travelled to all kinds of group events, averaged 80,000 - 90,000 photos a year, to put this on topic, most of those were sh*tty, and generally I had a great time, being social. The camera led me to landscape photography that's how how I found BiBe and this forum. Not a bad ricochet...

I like my neighbors :) I live on a hill, six miles from town east or west, 30+ miles from town north or south. The closest neighbor, that actually lives in their house, is about 1/4 mile away, their name is  :eusa_eh:  well.. I don't know what their name is. They may know mine but my mailbox only has my house number on it. I made the assumption that the carrier would know where they were and didn't bother putting the county road number on the box. Occasionally I will hear gunfire from semi-automatic weapons from the neighbors house, their neighbor, or maybe the neighbor next to them. I'm a "bolt gun" guy myself so it sounds like wasting bullets to me but I'm glad they are enjoying themselves. They have heard the report of my .338 (testing load velocity). Hopefully they appreciate that as much as I do their gunfire. They are all related to one another. About 1/3 live there full time and the rest come in from elsewhere (Houston?) on most weekends. One flies the stars and bars (the socially unacceptable one)  :icon_smile: with his Texas and US flag, properly lit. Other family members flags fly when they arrive and are taken down when they leave. We wave at one another, I've had one visit about a dog that wasn't mine. It was killing their chickens. Her husband wanted to kill it (Black Lab). We both agreed that he shouldn't do that. That's social... enough for me anyway...My postal delivery lady and I know each other by first name and have each others cellphone number, just in case she needs to drop a signature package or ask me to swing by the PO and pick something up because she's running late on her route. Again, social... I know the guy that owns the Handy Stop in town (everyone does) and talk to him like a we've known each other for years. Since I've been stopping at his store for years and he mans the counter most mornings, I'd have to say that we HAVE known each other for years. Just yesterday I turned him on to my soon-to-be son-in-laws side business. He does hog hunts. Night, thermal scope, suppressed AR hunts (he supplies the AR, scope, and suppressor if you don't have one), day hunts, day hunts with dogs, helicopter hunts ($500/hr), and once they get their Christmas present, night bow hunts. Imagine walking up on a big ole bore, in the (lit) dark, and sticking him with an arrow... ok so if you're a PETA member and hug mountain lions and bears for fun don't imagine that. <--- this is what is known as digressing... but it speaks to social interactions so I'll leave it The same women has cut my hair for 15 years or more. My quarterly visits to the hair salon are as much a social event as they are a necessity. Why go to a hair salon you might ask. (A) the gals that work there are smokin hot (I'm almost 60 and my vision is a bit blurry so bear in mind my version of smokin hot is skewed) and (B) women come in there to get themselves all prettied up (nails and whatnot). Where else are you going to find a high concentration of women with little to no competition (joking of course). Again, social...If I want whole milk, whole milk cheese, and fresh cream I drive down the road about 12 miles and visit Stryk's dairy. The local butcher will cut steaks as thick as I or anyone else wants them. Once a month there's a cattle auction just up the road. All of these things, in their own way, are social. Social media is not social. It's not even remotely associated with being social. It's isolationist and it's a detriment to society.

And my coffee cup is empty...  I think I'll run up to the Handy Stop and get some iced tea.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: fartymarty on November 12, 2017, 09:47:52 AM
Where else are you going to find a high concentration of women with little to no competition (joking of course).

Fabric stores, Hobby Lobby, Bed Bath and Beyond. (not joking  ;) )

Social media is not social. It's not even remotely associated with being social. It's isolationist and it's a detriment to society.
I must disagree, as this site is social media. It is admittedly more focused than say failbook, but despite the opinion of the NPS, it's no detriment to society.
 As for being isolationist....tha t's why many go to BiBe.
 However, we also have benders occasionally, so there's that....hmmm...we may be overdue for one? 
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: iCe on November 12, 2017, 10:02:01 AM
Where else are you going to find a high concentration of women with little to no competition (joking of course).

Fabric stores, Hobby Lobby, Bed Bath and Beyond. (not joking  ;) )

Social media is not social. It's not even remotely associated with being social. It's isolationist and it's a detriment to society.
I must disagree, as this site is social media. It is admittedly more focused than say failbook, but despite the opinion of the NPS, it's no detriment to society.
 As for being isolationist....tha t's why many go to BiBe.
 However, we also have benders occasionally, so there's that....hmmm...we may be overdue for one?


I should have said - where else in small town America, etc. I'd have to drive a minimum of an hour to get those places, but you are correct!  :eusa_clap:


The devil is in the details- I see this as a forum. A gateway to meeting like minded people. Faceplace, Sputter (Twitter), texting, etc... that's what I call unsocial media although texting isn't completely horrible (I prefer CW over the air waves but that's just me).
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 12, 2017, 10:48:40 AM
What's next? Will I be able to buy a virtual sleeping bag, put on some virtual goggles, and visit anywhere I want to? Maybe hike the Appalachian Trail without ever leaving my house?


Hmmmm...well don't go here: http://www.virtualbigbend.com/
...it'll just ruin it for you.   :icon_lol:

Last time I had a rant like that, my wife said: "Here's a scoop, you're just an old POOP!"  Of course she was correct about me (standby a minute......"Hey! you kids get off my lawn...just go away!"
......Ok, I'm back) , but I suspect it's a more temporary situation for you iCe?  :eusa_think:


I like that site but I can't smell anything or hear the silence  :icon_smile:


My rant was the product of shock. I was and am still amazed with the negative impact of the internet and social media on the social nature of society. The internet is not a bit social in psychological terms. It's unsocial.

Back in my motorcycle riding days (VTX 1800) I was on a VTX forum and met many, many fellow riders. Not just on the board though. Not just bar hopping (never really go into that). We had an event in Denver every year. Over a 1,000 of us convened in the Rockies for a week, rode the twisties, saw the sites, broke bread, and enjoyed a beverage or two. Good times. My last long trip was to southern California. I rode out, met about 25 of my friends, and road back to the first Bike Week in Tombstone, AZ with them. One night we filled Big Nose Kate's saloon to standing room only (others had heard of the trip and rode in separately). When it was over, they headed west in the group and I headed east solo... except a few of my friends decided to tag along until El Paso. Just to be social  :eusa_clap: And they liked to ride. I remember one of guys said something to the effect of if you can ride all the way to CA just to ride with us the least we can do is ride to TX with you. That's being social...

The bike and I parted ways one day. Literally. It went toward a tree, I got off before it arrived at the tree and severely dislocated my shoulder. I rode pretty hard and had gone down in a curve a few years earlier, broke helmet, bent me a little but I was just sore, and a month later my bike was fixed and I rode it to Denver. I used that as a lesson and put a lot of focus on learning to ride the way I wanted to after that (loved the twisties back then) but this crash was at about 15 mph and would take too long to get into here. Kind of a fluke thing, and of course, a rider thing. I should've paid more attention to the condition of the road that we were on. A year later and a good bit of PT later I got back into photography, with bike insurance money :icon_lol: I got one of those new gee whiz digital cameras. I found the Texas Photo Forum, met tons of great people, travelled to all kinds of group events, averaged 80,000 - 90,000 photos a year, to put this on topic, most of those were sh*tty, and generally I had a great time, being social. The camera led me to landscape photography that's how how I found BiBe and this forum. Not a bad ricochet...

I like my neighbors :) I live on a hill, six miles from town east or west, 30+ miles from town north or south. The closest neighbor, that actually lives in their house, is about 1/4 mile away, their name is  :eusa_eh:  well.. I don't know what their name is. They may know mine but my mailbox only has my house number on it. I made the assumption that the carrier would know where they were and didn't bother putting the county road number on the box. Occasionally I will hear gunfire from semi-automatic weapons from the neighbors house, their neighbor, or maybe the neighbor next to them. I'm a "bolt gun" guy myself so it sounds like wasting bullets to me but I'm glad they are enjoying themselves. They have heard the report of my .338 (testing load velocity). Hopefully they appreciate that as much as I do their gunfire. They are all related to one another. About 1/3 live there full time and the rest come in from elsewhere (Houston?) on most weekends. One flies the stars and bars (the socially unacceptable one)  :icon_smile: with his Texas and US flag, properly lit. Other family members flags fly when they arrive and are taken down when they leave. We wave at one another, I've had one visit about a dog that wasn't mine. It was killing their chickens. Her husband wanted to kill it (Black Lab). We both agreed that he shouldn't do that. That's social... enough for me anyway...My postal delivery lady and I know each other by first name and have each others cellphone number, just in case she needs to drop a signature package or ask me to swing by the PO and pick something up because she's running late on her route. Again, social... I know the guy that owns the Handy Stop in town (everyone does) and talk to him like a we've known each other for years. Since I've been stopping at his store for years and he mans the counter most mornings, I'd have to say that we HAVE known each other for years. Just yesterday I turned him on to my soon-to-be son-in-laws side business. He does hog hunts. Night, thermal scope, suppressed AR hunts (he supplies the AR, scope, and suppressor if you don't have one), day hunts, day hunts with dogs, helicopter hunts ($500/hr), and once they get their Christmas present, night bow hunts. Imagine walking up on a big ole bore, in the (lit) dark, and sticking him with an arrow... ok so if you're a PETA member and hug mountain lions and bears for fun don't imagine that. <--- this is what is known as digressing... but it speaks to social interactions so I'll leave it The same women has cut my hair for 15 years or more. My quarterly visits to the hair salon are as much a social event as they are a necessity. Why go to a hair salon you might ask. (A) the gals that work there are smokin hot (I'm almost 60 and my vision is a bit blurry so bear in mind my version of smokin hot is skewed) and (B) women come in there to get themselves all prettied up (nails and whatnot). Where else are you going to find a high concentration of women with little to no competition (joking of course). Again, social...If I want whole milk, whole milk cheese, and fresh cream I drive down the road about 12 miles and visit Stryk's dairy. The local butcher will cut steaks as thick as I or anyone else wants them. Once a month there's a cattle auction just up the road. All of these things, in their own way, are social. Social media is not social. It's not even remotely associated with being social. It's isolationist and it's a detriment to society.

And my coffee cup is empty...  I think I'll run up to the Handy Stop and get some iced tea.


Whew, that was a two-cupper, iCe.  Now I'm going to go get a third and think about it.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: rocketman on November 12, 2017, 08:44:49 PM
iCe, it seems we have a lot more in common than just lightning. I, too, had a VTX 1800 and almost died on it. Was coming back from the drag races in Baytown and decided it would be cool to do a speed run at night after a couple of too-expensive Budweisers. Old FM1405 had a lovely sweeper where it went around the Bayer plant. I knew it was there, had been around it MANY times, but in my tuck watching the speedo go past 140, it must have snuck up on me. I started to notice the white line to my right was encroaching on my straight-line path. It kept coming so I picked my head up just in time to realize the whole road was turning! Got on the binders hard, and as I went into the dirt shoulder I managed to slow down just enough to avoid taking out a sign. By that time I was down to about 50, and got back on the pavement. Turned out that was the fastest I would go for the rest of the way home.  I was also on the VTX forum and met a few guys and went on rides. That was my introduction to internet forums. While I see them as just forums for like-minded people to chat about stuff, I agree with you that they are not the open-season "anti-social networks" that the major platforms are. Thank god for that! 
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: iCe on November 12, 2017, 10:28:28 PM
iCe, it seems we have a lot more in common than just lightning. I, too, had a VTX 1800 and almost died on it. Was coming back from the drag races in Baytown and decided it would be cool to do a speed run at night after a couple of too-expensive Budweisers. Old FM1405 had a lovely sweeper where it went around the Bayer plant. I knew it was there, had been around it MANY times, but in my tuck watching the speedo go past 140, it must have snuck up on me. I started to notice the white line to my right was encroaching on my straight-line path. It kept coming so I picked my head up just in time to realize the whole road was turning! Got on the binders hard, and as I went into the dirt shoulder I managed to slow down just enough to avoid taking out a sign. By that time I was down to about 50, and got back on the pavement. Turned out that was the fastest I would go for the rest of the way home.  I was also on the VTX forum and met a few guys and went on rides. That was my introduction to internet forums. While I see them as just forums for like-minded people to chat about stuff, I agree with you that they are not the open-season "anti-social networks" that the major platforms are. Thank god for that!

That's pretty cool (not the story... the common ground). Do you remember Lee and Snakebite? I stay in touch with them as best as I can. Stan (Snakebite) was behind me when I screwed up my shoulder. We were coming back from watching a dyno test on a dual induction system for the 1800 at a place called Johnny Cheese Performance in Round Rock. He was and still is a well known 'Busa tuner. He built one if the first twin turbo Hayabusa's and it set the first Texas Mile speed record (I think it was the first, its been a while). My VTX was a Retro and Lee built a nice set of forward controls for it. He was one of the California crew. I can picture a bunch of the other guys in my head but it's been too many years and I can't remember their names.

My first crash was kind of like what you almost had. I was in a 30 MPH S-curve. As I came out of the first curve at 60, maybe 70 (non-bike riders, double curve recommended speed isn't really that big of a deal), I accelerated (boy that was dumb, especially on that bike). I got a little too high in the second curve, hit some soft stuff and then all of the sudden, WHAM, sky, dirt, sky, dirt, sky dirt. When I stopped rolling (the big just slid on it's side) I got up and ran over to the bike, picked it up, and put it on it's side stand. You know how heavy that thing was. The adrenaline must have been flowing for me to do that. I had some road rash and my helmet was broke in two places (never wore a helmet after that). Within an hour I was getting sore and stiff. By nightfall I was hurting pretty bad. I'm still certain that picking the bike up jacked up my back muscles. Ibuprofen and not moving were the order of business for the weekend.

A guy that I had passed before the curve stopped to help me. The first thing he said was - I'll bet your don't do that again  :icon_lol:  Then he asked me if the bike "stopped like that" (meaning on the side stand). I told him I picked it up and he looked at me like I was nuts. He gave me a ride home and my boys went back to pick up the bike. Then I called my sister (she's an RN). She came over and made sure I wasn't too screwed up, pronounced me stupid but going to live, and off she went. Monday morning I called the bike shop and told them I was bringing it in. When I was there I asked if they could get it fixed pretty fast because I needed to ride to Colorado. They looked at my like I was nuts (common theme to this story). I still wasn't moving very good and my arms were pretty rashed up. I don't think they thought I would be riding anywhere anytime soon. I called them every week. During one call the mechanic wanted to know what I did. When I told him he said- I'll bet you don't do that again. :icon_lol: I got kind of tired of hearing that. They got it done in time... and I won't lie... the first few minutes were a little nerve wracking. But 900 miles later (stopped in Borger for the night) I was back in the saddle. It's a good way to travel but that's behind me now.

I just remembered another name - Weedeater. He got that name because he did what you did only not quite as fast. He got out of it without injury or damage too. There were a few that didn't :(

Poop... this wasn't at all about poop... Sorry for the off topic non-poop themed ramblings.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 12, 2017, 10:31:19 PM
That's some crazy sh*t. As the founder of the thread, I'm declaring it on-topic. (OK, dprather is the OP, but I'm the one that lobbied for "The Scoop on Pooping" breakaway thread. Don't shoot me, D.}
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: mule ears on November 13, 2017, 06:13:12 AM
Those kinds of experiences usually make one poop their pants so I would assume that we are still on topic.   ;D
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: RichardM on November 16, 2017, 04:12:11 PM
And of course, there is an emoji (http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/moderator's-forum/emojis/) appropriate for this topic.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on November 16, 2017, 04:21:22 PM
And of course, there is an emoji (http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/moderator's-forum/emojis/) appropriate for this topic.

 :rolling:
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: waveone on August 17, 2018, 11:58:10 PM
Reading through a few of these threads this one caught my attention  and sort of wish it had not. However as wonderful as BBNP and in fact all of our out doors areas are they are out  of doors wilderness not kitchens pristine chapels or someone's living room.

Human waste like animal waste is biodegradable with speed of degradation  according to climate conditions. Toilet paper is too. So common sense and a small ET of some sort isn't that much weight. It is also a heck of a lot more sanitary than carrying around a soiled towel or using your hand. In all candor that is simply disgusting, unsanitary and completely unnecessary.

Simply employing common sense, exercising some measure of consideration and perhaps a little training or conditioning this issue is quite minor. 
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: elhombre on August 18, 2018, 08:02:58 AM


Simply employing common sense, exercising some measure of consideration and perhaps a little training or conditioning this issue is quite minor. 


That's the spirit!  Sounds like between no camp fires and carrying out your used TP, you're up for a desert adventure that will expand your comfort zone.   :great:
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: waveone on August 18, 2018, 09:48:09 AM


Simply employing common sense, exercising some measure of consideration and perhaps a little training or conditioning this issue is quite minor. 


That's the spirit!  Sounds like between no camp fires and carrying out your used TP, you're up for a desert adventure that will expand your comfort zone.   :great:

Yes a hike in the desert is absolutely on the docket, because I've never done one of those before except one of the "High Desert" areas in Idaho, on a hunt of course.       
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: Hookim on August 23, 2018, 12:32:58 AM
This.Thread.is.Hila rious! I'm glad it renewed for two reasons.

One, so I can share my disgusting story.
I hiked up to SW3 on 8/18. Morning of 8/19 I hiked out to the rim then continued on down BC for a full day. Circled back around to SW3 via Colima and SW Rim trail that evening. and between SW2 and SW3 saw 4 pieces of toilet paper and two King Kong turds right there on the edge of the trail not 15 minutes from a latrine. I couldn't believe it. They were not there the night before. I did the right thing and picked up the smeared tp in the "leave it better than you found it" trash bag that I always try to carry on my pack. But, GROSSSS!

I also picked up a cig butt on the BC trail. Meanwhile, there are signs everywhere of high fire danger. Never ceases to amaze me...

Oh, and two - a non-stick gauze pad in the rear area on hikes is very helpful/preventative.
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: RichardM on August 23, 2018, 08:11:02 AM
This.Thread.is.Hilarious! I'm glad it renewed for two reasons.

One, so I can share my disgusting story.
I hiked up to SW3 on 8/18. Morning of 8/19 I hiked out to the rim then continued on down BC for a full day. Circled back around to SW3 via Colima and SW Rim trail that evening. and between SW2 and SW3 saw 4 pieces of toilet paper and two King Kong turds right there on the edge of the trail not 15 minutes from a latrine. I couldn't believe it. They were not there the night before. I did the right thing and picked up the smeared tp in the "leave it better than you found it" trash bag that I always try to carry on my pack. But, GROSSSS!

I also picked up a cig butt on the BC trail. Meanwhile, there are signs everywhere of high fire danger. Never ceases to amaze me...

Oh, and two - a non-stick gauze pad in the rear area on hikes is very helpful/preventative.
Maybe Lance (http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/el-saloacuten/bigpoopchat/msg120987/#msg120987) was out there.  :rolling:
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: Hookim on August 23, 2018, 07:42:53 PM
This.Thread.is.Hilarious! I'm glad it renewed for two reasons.

One, so I can share my disgusting story.
I hiked up to SW3 on 8/18. Morning of 8/19 I hiked out to the rim then continued on down BC for a full day. Circled back around to SW3 via Colima and SW Rim trail that evening. and between SW2 and SW3 saw 4 pieces of toilet paper and two King Kong turds right there on the edge of the trail not 15 minutes from a latrine. I couldn't believe it. They were not there the night before. I did the right thing and picked up the smeared tp in the "leave it better than you found it" trash bag that I always try to carry on my pack. But, GROSSSS!

I also picked up a cig butt on the BC trail. Meanwhile, there are signs everywhere of high fire danger. Never ceases to amaze me...

Oh, and two - a non-stick gauze pad in the rear area on hikes is very helpful/preventative.
Maybe Lance (http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/el-saloacuten/bigpoopchat/msg120987/#msg120987) was out there.  :rolling:
🤣 Hopefully he learned...
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on September 15, 2018, 02:28:48 PM
This.Thread.is.Hilarious! I'm glad it renewed for two reasons.

One, so I can share my disgusting story.
I hiked up to SW3 on 8/18. Morning of 8/19 I hiked out to the rim then continued on down BC for a full day. Circled back around to SW3 via Colima and SW Rim trail that evening. and between SW2 and SW3 saw 4 pieces of toilet paper and two King Kong turds right there on the edge of the trail not 15 minutes from a latrine. I couldn't believe it. They were not there the night before. I did the right thing and picked up the smeared tp in the "leave it better than you found it" trash bag that I always try to carry on my pack. But, GROSSSS!

I also picked up a cig butt on the BC trail. Meanwhile, there are signs everywhere of high fire danger. Never ceases to amaze me...

Oh, and two - a non-stick gauze pad in the rear area on hikes is very helpful/preventative.
Maybe Lance (http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/el-saloacuten/bigpoopchat/msg120987/#msg120987) was out there.  :rolling:

I'm just now catching up on some of the stuff I missed this summer. Lance's original post was before my time, so I've never seen it before until now. I just had the best laugh I've had all summer. I'm STILL laughing!
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: Hookim on September 15, 2018, 03:39:19 PM
This is an appropriate place to share one of my favorite comedic bits...
https://youtu.be/pSGGgtmF5Kg
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: House Made of Dawn on September 15, 2018, 03:52:48 PM
Code Brown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Scoop on Pooping
Post by: Hookim on September 15, 2018, 04:28:36 PM
Code Brown!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
🤣💩