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Offline Ninersboss

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« on: December 01, 2008, 09:11:56 PM »
Looking at new tires for f150 4x4 screw. Need to find something that will survive off road in the Bend (state park in particular) and still get me there from houston without too much struggle.

Anyone have a favorite to recommend?

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Re: Tires
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2008, 09:53:29 PM »
My favorite all purpose 4x4 tires are the BF Goodrich All Terrain TA tires.....been using them for years on my Jeeps....

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« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2008, 10:23:02 PM »
My favorite all purpose 4x4 tires are the BF Goodrich All Terrain TA tires.....been using them for years on my Jeeps....

Yep, that's the tire to get. Excellent off road and quiet and long-wearing on pavement. I routinely get 60k and more per set.
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Re: Tires
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2008, 10:24:22 PM »
It seems to be as though BFG is the tire of the 4x4 masses, there are some exotic very specific tires out in the market.Trust me , there are more than i can post here but for what is worth and my little experience in the backcountry has thrown my way,i am very happy with my &nbsp; B.F.Goodrich Mud Terrains .

 What i like about them is that they claw in the dirt/mud/rock and grip themselves strong,plus with all their plies and rubber construction they are ,hands down, my tire of choice.

 The All Terrains are very good as well,but in tires i am little bit finicky and have inclined on the above mentioned.

 There is a member here who also happens to be a tire expert: BDHawk13 , he is going to be itching to post something as well. It is just a matter of invoking him, this way.. :icon_wink:
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Re: Tires
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2008, 10:38:34 PM »
For off road the BFG MT are better than the ATs, although both are good.  But buying either depends one what you use your vehicle for.  If mainly off road go with the MT; they will get you out of places the ATs won't. If mainly on road the ATs will last longer, ride smoother and balance better.  I use neither because although I live down a dirt road, it's pretty well maintained and I only go on real back roads maybe twice a year.  I have Avon tyres purchased from Tire Rack and have had nothing but good experiences, no blowouts and very good traction.

As far as BBRSP, a bud of mine lost 3 tires on his first trip out in a 4x4 rental but the tires were pretty worn.  We lost none on the last trip in his F150 with Michelin LTZs.  I think the trick, with all that sharp rock on the roads in BBRSP, boils down to two things with most tires:  make sure they have LOTS of tread left; and perhaps more importantly, GO SLOWER.  It will make all the difference in how cut up your tires when you leave.

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Offline rgibson

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Re: Tires
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2008, 06:16:05 AM »
Have used the BFG Mud and Snows b4.   Now use the Michelin XPS (Steel belted and also steel side walls).  Weight is alot higher.   Have used for the last 350,000 miles on hwy and lots of bad unpaved Big Bend  and Mexico roads.  No flats!  Used to always carry 2 spares.  Not any more.

Averages run 60 to 80k per set.  b4 some of my flats were side wall flats from non hwy use.  After a side wall flat, the tire can not normally be repaired.

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Re: Tires
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2008, 09:15:45 AM »
I run BFG's never had a problem key in off road is SLOW, speed kills the tires and the rest of your vehicle, have only lost one tire off road in BB area (most likely just jinxed myself) :crossedfingers: :crossedfingers:. Slow down and enjoy the time.
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Re: Tires
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2008, 09:33:59 AM »
My favorite all purpose 4x4 tires are the BF Goodrich All Terrain TA tires.....been using them for years on my Jeeps....

Good choice.........best dual purpose tire you can find.

Now use the Michelin XPS (Steel belted and also steel side walls).

When i was in the tire industry, we used to joke about these things being "bullet proof". Most of the oilfield guys around here, as well as the ranchers will never use anything else. They make this tire in the XPS Traction and the XPS Rib. Awesome tire when it comes to being tough, but suffers in the ride quality department. http://www.michelinman.com/tires/light-truck/xps-traction/
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Re: Tires
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2008, 10:19:24 AM »
The difference in A/T vs M/T is if you are going to be in places where there is sand.  I ran M/Ts for a while but if you go to the beach or places like Utah where the sand gets thick, aired down M/Ts drag a bunch more than the A/Ts.  A/Ts float better and you will notice the engine temperatures staying lower with the A/Ts.  I run A/Ts now and they work great for Utah sand, Colorado rocky mountain trails, and most anything in the desert of Big Bend.  Deserts have sandy washes where you want to the tire to float over.  In the mountains, I could use the M/Ts in the muddy, boggy areas but as you realize, choices must be made.  Just commit yourself to getting the tires rotated and balanced.  Pick a tire dealer that is convinent to your life.
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Re: Tires
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2008, 11:39:14 PM »
Thanks gents. This place is amazing for the depth of knowledge on a breadth of subjects.

The BFG TA KO have a great rep. I've also had Toyo Open Country Mud Terrains and nitto terra grapplers suggested. But the Michelin XPS is one that hasn't come up. I used to drive oilfield service trucks in the Utah desert and all they ran were Michelin. I like the rugged part, but they only seem to come in 16s. I was hoping to upgrade to 20 for a little more clearance, if I can afford it.

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Re: Tires
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2008, 07:25:11 AM »
Thanks gents. This place is amazing for the depth of knowledge on a breadth of subjects.

The BFG TA KO have a great rep. I've also had Toyo Open Country Mud Terrains and nitto terra grapplers suggested. But the Michelin XPS is one that hasn't come up. I used to drive oilfield service trucks in the Utah desert and all they ran were Michelin. I like the rugged part, but they only seem to come in 16s. I was hoping to upgrade to 20 for a little more clearance, if I can afford it.


Don't go the 20" route. 20's improve street handling performance, but suck when it comes to off road stuff (sidewall problems). Of course, most of the major manufacturers have come out with big off road 20" tires, but they are more suited for looks rather than performance. If you are wanting a larger wheel, stick with 18" instead, and slide some 285/65-18 BFG A/T KO underneath your truck. These things are roughly 32.5" tall, and 11.2" wide. The Nitto grapplers are ok (and cheaper), but they have problems such as very little street life, and a softer sidewall than the BFGs. I'm not sure how much clearance you have under the fender wells, but these 285s should fit a stock 4x4 ford, with the correct offset on the wheel of course. If you are looking for something larger, a 325/65-18 will get you approx. 35" of height and 13.2" of width. But to fit these, you will need at least 6" of suspension lift on that truck.
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Offline Ninersboss

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Re: Tires
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2008, 08:01:39 AM »
Thanks BD. This is my first foray into customizing tires (kinda slow for an old man) so I really appreciate the help from you and the rest of the folks. I was thinking 20s for the extra clearance they would provide. But that doesn't sound like a good trade at the expense of durability. I think they would require leveling the truck with 2.5 in front lifts. Im not aiming for a monster truck. I still have to haul clients too. OE is a 275/65 18 so the 285/65-18 BFG A/T KO might rub a little at a locked out turn. So, now thinking perhaps I should upgrade to a more aggressive BFG AT in the OE size.

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http://www.adventuretrailers.com/index.html

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Offline Roger, Roger

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Re: Tires
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2008, 09:35:15 AM »
The size of the rim isn't what gets you the extra clearance, since the sidewall of those tires will just be thinner unless you specifically get taller tires.  I agree with the above...get yourself some bigger tires on your stock rims. 

I have 265/70/17 BFG AT/KO's on my 2003 4Runner (which is a slightly taller tire than stock) and they are excellent.  Slight rub on the right side when I make a right turn sometimes, but the extra half inch of clearance is surprisingly noticeable off-road.

We bought a new Sequoia recently which has 275/70/18's, and when those tires go bad I'm going to step up to 285 AT/KO's for it.  I agree with others that the AT/KO is a fantastic tire if you're on the street a lot but still want something that will be tough off-road. 

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Re: Tires
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2008, 10:40:12 AM »
Just wanted to add something else. A good off-road tire benifits from having more sidewall to work with because it allows the tire to flex and wrap itself around the terrain.  This means more surface area in contact with the ground and thus more traction.  Highway tires that are made for hauling have a stiffer sidewall and is more square in shape.  Off road tires will be a little more rounded on the sidewall in order to move outward and conform to the terrain.  The sidewall design is one of the main reasons tires preform differently at high speeds on the freeway.  A/Ts and M/Ts are designed with the rounded sidewall.  As stated before, this is the main reason to stay away from 20 inch rims on off-road trucks.  The tires loose too much flex.

As you can guess, I spend way too much time and mental energy thinking about 4x4ing, but it keeps me out of trouble and gives me something to blow my little girls college fund on.  I do take her and my wife with me when we go camping (somebody has to cook). :icon_mrgreen:
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Re: Tires
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2008, 07:39:14 PM »
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