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To Leave Or Not To Leave?

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Re: To Leave Or Not To Leave?
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2017, 03:28:20 PM »
Quote: Obsession anyone?

How about "positive addiction?"
Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

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Re: To Leave Or Not To Leave?
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2017, 09:11:38 PM »
Interesting thread.  Really let's me know I seem to be normal, or at least I'd blend in with you guys.

I also enjoy making the list.  I alter the list for various trips but never get rid of the old list.  Thankful for computers.

Some friends and I do a "guys camp out" weekend on the Medina every year for close to 20 years now.  Car camping, 3 miles from town.  I could probably pack my stuff in my sleep but every year I get my list out and meticulously go down it.  I start a few weeks before the trip just to help pass the time as I wait. 

I start gathering my stuff a few nights before we leave.  My wife asks what I'm doing and I tell her "staging my gear".  She doesn't get it.

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Re: To Leave Or Not To Leave?
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2017, 09:32:19 PM »
I'm much more list-oriented than weight-oriented.  I honestly do not know how much my pack ever weighs.

My list is my "written word."  It contains what I must have, so I haul whatever is on it.

My amigos and I are also in constant review/preview mode.  Most or our conversations have to do with the last adventure and the next adventure.
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Re: To Leave Or Not To Leave?
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2017, 09:23:09 AM »
I'm much more list-oriented than weight-oriented.  I honestly do not know how much my pack ever weighs.

The advantages of weighing everything is that you can make better informed decisions when including the weight into the equation. Quite frankly, it really opened my eyes to things I thought were inconsequential but added up to significant weight to my pack. Having a lighter pack has really enabled me to enjoy backpacking a lot more especially as I've aged. I can no longer lug those 50 pound packs anymore and it wasn't all that fun when I could.

I'm not going to knock anyone's packing list but if someone is looking to make a change to lighten their pack, this is the first step. A small digital kitchen scale is all you need. We see so many trip reports of people who abandon the OML and I've seen so many huge packs that this is probably in the top 3 reasons why people can't do it.

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« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2017, 10:20:34 AM »
I'm much more list-oriented than weight-oriented.  I honestly do not know how much my pack ever weighs.

The advantages of weighing everything is that you can make better informed decisions when including the weight into the equation. Quite frankly, it really opened my eyes to things I thought were inconsequential but added up to significant weight to my pack. Having a lighter pack has really enabled me to enjoy backpacking a lot more especially as I've aged. I can no longer lug those 50 pound packs anymore and it wasn't all that fun when I could.

I'm not going to knock anyone's packing list but if someone is looking to make a change to lighten their pack, this is the first step. A small digital kitchen scale is all you need. We see so many trip reports of people who abandon the OML and I've seen so many huge packs that this is probably in the top 3 reasons why people can't do it.

Last August, my amigo and I ran into a guy who was hauling a 70+ pound pack.  It hurt to think about it.
Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

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Re: To Leave Or Not To Leave?
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2017, 12:22:53 PM »
I haven't weighed my gear since preparing for Philmont in 2013. Then I weighed it in mass, not so much individually. Probably going to revisit this again...

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Re: To Leave Or Not To Leave?
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2017, 03:03:17 PM »
Flash - Philmont?  You must be associated with Scouting in some way???
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Re: To Leave Or Not To Leave?
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2017, 04:31:17 PM »
My gear has been to Philmont several times,  I had work obligations both times my Troop had trips.

I did stay at the B&B next door a couple years ago and went souvenir shopping

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Re: To Leave Or Not To Leave?
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2017, 05:18:53 PM »
Flash - Philmont?  You must be associated with Scouting in some way???
Most of my gear I bought in anticipation of going to Philmont, the prep for which started in 2011, when my younger son and I did an overnight on the Dodson in the middle of the summer. We lived and had a great time. He and I did a couple trips to Big Bend to prepare and learn. I was an assistant scoutmaster and both my sons earned the rank of Eagle. 

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Re: To Leave Or Not To Leave?
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2017, 06:50:20 PM »
If it is true that "once an Eagle; always an Eagle," then I'm still an Eagle.  And I'm still owed a Philmont.

In 1970, I did 3/4ths of Philmont.  I fell coming down Mt. Baldy.  It was a compound fracture of my right arm.  They came to get me in a jeep, but I had to walk a couple of miles to the point where the jeep could get to me.  I remember the most beautiful nurse I had ever seen, breathtakingly gorgeous - right before I went into shock.  I woke up the next morning in the hospital at Raton.  I am certain that this explains my cautiously cautious caution.
Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

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Re: To Leave Or Not To Leave?
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2017, 07:34:43 PM »
If it is true that "once an Eagle; always an Eagle," then I'm still an Eagle.  And I'm still owed a Philmont.

In 1970, I did 3/4ths of Philmont.  I fell coming down Mt. Baldy.  It was a compound fracture of my right arm.  They came to get me in a jeep, but I had to walk a couple of miles to the point where the jeep could get to me.  I remember the most beautiful nurse I had ever seen, breathtakingly gorgeous - right before I went into shock.  I woke up the next morning in the hospital at Raton.  I am certain that this explains my cautiously cautious caution.

Only did Philmont in the winter (twice) but one trip we did have to turn back from Baldy and drop elevation fast with one of our guys who was showing signs of altitude sicknesss.  No beautiful nurse though, just us homely teenage Eagles.  For sure once and Eagle always an Eagle.  Three amongst my siblings.
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Re: To Leave Or Not To Leave?
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2017, 08:02:31 PM »
Is Philmont open to those who are not currently in Scouting?
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Re: To Leave Or Not To Leave?
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2017, 08:31:48 PM »
Two of my son's are Eagle. I earned the Vigil honor in the OA, District Award of Merit, SM to 7 Eagle Scouts,  eventually I started signing the back of the check and went to work running the High Adventure Sea Base in South Padre. It was a great transition job and started my 12 Step recovery from Scouting lol

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Re: To Leave Or Not To Leave?
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2017, 09:41:34 PM »
If it is true that "once an Eagle; always an Eagle," then I'm still an Eagle.  And I'm still owed a Philmont.

In 1970, I did 3/4ths of Philmont.  I fell coming down Mt. Baldy.  It was a compound fracture of my right arm.  They came to get me in a jeep, but I had to walk a couple of miles to the point where the jeep could get to me.  I remember the most beautiful nurse I had ever seen, breathtakingly gorgeous - right before I went into shock.  I woke up the next morning in the hospital at Raton.  I am certain that this explains my cautiously cautious caution.

Only did Philmont in the winter (twice) but one trip we did have to turn back from Baldy and drop elevation fast with one of our guys who was showing signs of elevation sicknesss.  No beautiful nurse though, just us homely teenage Eagles.  For sure once and Eagle always an Eagle.  Three amongst my siblings.
We started at Rayado, followed the length of Rayado Canyon then up to Clear Creek, where we went over Mt. Phillips, and then ran ridges via Big Red, Bonito, and Trail Peaks,  and finally coming down the Tooth of Time ridge to Base Camp.  Rained sometime EVERY afternoon, except the last day.

 


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