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Title: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: dprather on November 06, 2016, 12:48:19 AM
From WalMart, to Academy, to CampMor, to REI, the specialization, quality, and expense increases.

This to to the real hard-core types - where do you shop for stuff?
Title: Re: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: venchka on November 06, 2016, 02:21:05 PM
From WalMart, to Academy, to CampMor, to REI, the specialization, quality, and expense increases.

This to to the real hard-core types - where do you shop for stuff?
The Cottage folks are where you find the real UL stuff. In no particular order:
ULA. I bought their Catalyst. A very good large pack. 3 pounds. 40 pound stated capacity. I used it with 35-40 pounds in Colorado without pain or problems. My granddaughter has it at the moment. USA MADE.
TarpTent: Well made affordable single and double wall tents. USA MADE.
Lightheart Gear. Single wall tents and other goodies. USA MADE.
Hyperlite Mountain Gear, Z-Packs, Enlightened Equipment, Seek Outside and a slew of others. Mostly USA MADE.
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Title: Re: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: venchka on November 06, 2016, 02:42:12 PM
I was surprised by Academy. Stoves, fuel, freeze dried food, Platypus soft bottles. Not bad.
Walmart also sells backpacking fuel and food and a few knickknacks.


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Title: Re: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: mule ears on November 07, 2016, 01:29:51 AM
From WalMart, to Academy, to CampMor, to REI, the specialization, quality, and expense increases.

This to to the real hard-core types - where do you shop for stuff?
Wayne has listed many good sources.  The cottage makers are mostly focused on packs and shelters (Hyperlight Mtn Gear, Mtn. Laurel Designs, Six Moons, Borah Gear, Elemental Horizons, Gossamer Gear, ULA, ZPacks) a few do down bags and clothing (Enlightened Equipment, Katabatic Gear, ZPacks, MLD) but there are plenty of good down makers that make light gear (Western Mountaineering, Feathered Friends, Patagonia).

Small stuff everywhere, one my favorites is Campsaver very good prices and selection.  I do get some things at REI (pads, clothes, fuel, platypus bottles, etc.) and have ordered from Campmor in the past.  Some of the stove stuff is very specialized companies like Trail Designs, Flat Cat, Anti-Gravity Gear
From WalMart, to Academy, to CampMor, to REI, the specialization, quality, and expense increases.

This to to the real hard-core types - where do you shop for stuff?
The Cottage folks are where you find the real UL stuff. In no particular order:
ULA. I bought their Catalyst. A very good large pack. 3 pounds. 40 pound stated capacity. I used it with 35-40 pounds in Colorado without pain or problems. My granddaughter has it at the moment. USA MADE.
TarpTent: Well made affordable single and double wall tents. USA MADE.
Lightheart Gear. Single wall tents and other goodies. USA MADE.
Hyperlite Mountain Gear, Z-Packs, Enlightened Equipment, Seek Outside and a slew of others. Mostly USA MADE.
Wayne


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Title: Re: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: Hang10er on November 07, 2016, 07:07:48 AM
I've found that after researching and researching I usually get some of the best deals on Amazon! 

I don't have access to an REI or some of those other specialized stores.  My wife has a Prime membership so shipping is free.  Never had a return problem with Amazon in those rare cases that something wasn't right.
Title: Re: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: nopainnogain on November 07, 2016, 09:17:08 AM
I'm not real hardcore...but twisting my knees is forcing me to reduce the load weight.

I have a 40L backpack from Gossamer.
It weighs 250% less than my Kelty Trekker.
So, I think it's consider Ultralight.
Great thing is Gossamer is based in Austin Texas.
Made in Texas.

Another piece of ultralight gear I have is a quilt from Enlightment Equipment.
They are another cottage maker as I understand.
They are from somewhere up North in the Yankee states.
Made in USA at least.

I think buying directly from USA made cottage industry is really cool.

My next piece of gear that I'm saving my lunch money for...is a tarp tent from a Californian cottage maker.

Title: Re: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: Jalco on November 07, 2016, 01:15:45 PM
I have a 40L backpack from Gossamer.
It weighs 250% less than my Kelty Trekker.
So, I think it's consider Ultralight.
Great thing is Gossamer is based in Austin Texas.
Made in Texas.

Another piece of ultralight gear I have is a quilt from Enlightment Equipment.
They are another cottage maker as I understand.
They are from somewhere up North in the Yankee states.
Made in USA at least.

I think buying directly from USA made cottage industry is really cool.

My next piece of gear that I'm saving my lunch money for...is a tarp tent from a Californian cottage maker.

Is that the Gorilla?  I notice they have the Murmur 36 on sale.

I just bought some cuben fiber bags from Hyperlite.
Title: Re: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: Robert on November 07, 2016, 02:09:39 PM
In addition to those already mentioned:
Sierra Trading Post
Backcountry.com
Railriders (for shirts/pants)
GoLite (apprently now dba "My Trail")
Title: Re: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: nopainnogain on November 07, 2016, 02:38:29 PM
I have a 40L backpack from Gossamer.


Is that the Gorilla?  I notice they have the Murmur 36 on sale.

I just bought some cuben fiber bags from Hyperlite.

Yes I have the Gorilla, which has a metal frame.  The Murmur is even lighter, but no frame.
Title: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: venchka on November 07, 2016, 06:32:43 PM
Smacks his head hard! I totally forgot Rivendell Mountain Works makers of the Jensen Pack. A frameless backpack that weighs 2.5 pounds and came on the market when all backpacks had external frames and weighed over 5 pounds. I bought mine in 1975. I still have it and plan to use it on my next trip.
http://www.oregonphotos.com/Rivendell-1.html
http://www.rivendellmountainworks.com/
Wayne


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Title: Re: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: sdparks on November 08, 2016, 10:10:13 AM
Here is one of my gear lists - you can see some brand names in there, but they have probably all been listed already.  Have you become a member at backpackinglight.co m yet?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5IAsLOHdYhReVVCOGdjSWlPX3c/view?usp=drivesdk

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Title: Re: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: venchka on March 10, 2017, 04:12:50 PM
Update on my TarpTent shopping experience with owner Henry Shires.
I logged into the TarpTent website yesterday afternoon and went to the StratoSpire 1 page for about the zillionth time. They added a real time chat feature awhile back. Within about a minute or two Henry had offered me an SS 1 with "minor beauty blemish and full warranty" and $30 discount.
I'm in! The purchase was concluded at 3:47 pm PST. The tent was picked up by the USPS at 4:59 pm.
I'll be back when the tent arrives Monday.
Wayne


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Title: Re: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: sdparks on March 10, 2017, 08:21:03 PM
There's a decent chance you'll never find the "blemish".   Enjoy!
Title: Re: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: venchka on March 11, 2017, 02:09:07 PM
Update!
1:30 pm Saturday. It's here!
Less than 48 hours. Thanks Henry! Thanks USPS.
It fits in either pack. I slides into one of the exterior pockets on the Terraplane like they were made for each other.
No sign of the blemish.
39.82 ounces with solid inner before seam sealing.
I like it!
Wayne


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Title: Re: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: sdparks on March 11, 2017, 09:37:52 PM
Seam sealing: get the pitch figured out and then get the ridgelines pulled out right.  Tighter than you you think you would normally pitch it in the field.  Dilute the silicone with mineral spirits until it is quite runny.  Some people say the consistency of honey, but that is still too much too thick.  Watch Henry's video on seamsealing and you will see his mixture is quite thin.  Apply with a foam paint brush and wipe off any runs with a paper towel.  The only place I needed to go over a second time was around the reinforcements for the trekking poles grommets. 
Title: Re: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: venchka on March 12, 2017, 09:41:01 PM
Seam sealing: get the pitch figured out and then get the ridgelines pulled out right.  Tighter than you you think you would normally pitch it in the field.  Dilute the silicone with mineral spirits until it is quite runny.  Some people say the consistency of honey, but that is still too much too thick.  Watch Henry's video on seamsealing and you will see his mixture is quite thin.  Apply with a foam paint brush and wipe off any runs with a paper towel.  The only place I needed to go over a second time was around the reinforcements for the trekking poles grommets.
Thanks. I'm starting in the morning. My third tent sealing, but first with diluted silicone. Fingers crossed.
Wayne


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Title: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: venchka on March 14, 2017, 03:31:40 PM
Seams sealed. I hope. I'm going to have to take it out for a spin real soon.
Trail ready weight = 41 ounces.
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Wayne


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Title: Re: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: GaryF on March 16, 2017, 07:44:40 PM
That's really nice Venchka. I've seriously considered getting the Protrail for several years, but never pulled the trigger. Tarptents seem to be exceptionally well designed.
Title: Re: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: Schroeder on March 17, 2017, 01:52:51 PM
I have one of the original tarp tents. I know it was before 2006. I prefer to sleep in a hammock or out in the open but it's still a good shelter after all these years.
If you want to save some money, consider making your own stuff. It's usually lighter than commercial stuff because you can leave all the bells and whistles off if you want.
For projects, kits, and supplies I recommend http://thru-hiker.com/materials/index.php (http://thru-hiker.com/materials/index.php)
It's a lot of fun! If you can't sew it's not too tough to learn and it's a useful skill to know Imho. Also, if you have a significant other that sews, they usually welcome the new idea/challenge.
You can start by making stuff sacks. Those are always nice for compartmentalizing your gear. Years ago I bought a Jansport external pack. I ripped the pack off and used the frame to sew my own. It worked great for ten years when I decided to give an osprey internal frame a try and have been using it.
(http://schroederworks.com/Pics/Backpack.jpg)
Title: Re: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: GaryF on March 22, 2017, 02:00:58 PM
"Also, if you have a significant other that sews, they usually welcome the new idea/challenge"

Funny story. My wife (actually future wife at that point) was getting into sewing, and she wanted to make me something. I was excited, and while I had several ideas, I immediately said "bivy sack".  What I wanted was pretty simple,  but substantially different from the narrow / heavy products on the market.  I sketched it out and ordered some 1.1 oz nylon taffeta and a little bit of no-see-um netting.  The design was basically just a big envelope of breathable nylon, with a patch of netting for a face hole, and a Velcro closure.

My wife worked on it a bit, and soon recruited her mother to help.  All work on it was moved to her mothers shop, and the updates I got on it were pretty vague, but they seemed to be spending huge amounts of time in the shop. At Christmas I got the finished product, and it was perfect, just awesome.

But along with my Christmas present came the advice that I should never ask them to do anything like that again. I guess the lightweight, slippery nylon had just been a nightmare to work with.

That was in 2000, and the story still gets retold every year when we get together to swap Christmas presents.
Title: Re: What Websites To Shop For Ultralight???
Post by: venchka on October 15, 2017, 09:17:56 PM
Seam sealing: get the pitch figured out and then get the ridgelines pulled out right.  Tighter than you you think you would normally pitch it in the field.  Dilute the silicone with mineral spirits until it is quite runny.  Some people say the consistency of honey, but that is still too much too thick.  Watch Henry's video on seamsealing and you will see his mixture is quite thin.  Apply with a foam paint brush and wipe off any runs with a paper towel.  The only place I needed to go over a second time was around the reinforcements for the trekking poles grommets.
Thanks. I'm starting in the morning. My third tent sealing, but first with diluted silicone. Fingers crossed.
Wayne


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My seam sealing withstood a 6 hour rainfall without leaking a drop. 
Wayne


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