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Offline Undertaker

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« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2006, 06:35:29 PM »
BB is there to enjoy, being bitten and spending what little vacation most people have in pain in the hospital is not my idea of a good vacation. Undertaker
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Re: Get Em.
« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2006, 10:12:16 PM »
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PLEASE, respect the land and animals, don't speed, don't deface anything and don't leave food or dirty dishes /trash laying about!  8)

Off the soapbox now..... :oops:


Well I actually wasn;t the least bit worried about that snake.  The big worry was how dumb it was and how that could have been a huge mistake for Terry's health.  He also picked up a water moccassin not too long before that at Big Thicket.  I think he's too emboldened by getting away with it.  

We did show the picture to three different rangers and they didn't seem too concerned other than to caution about the danger.  One ranger in the basin store said it was stupid but then proceded to show us some similar pictures on his work computer that he had received by email.  Another informed us it was against official policy but they are more concerned about snake/reptile collecting.

BTW, the snake went on his way without even rattling at us.
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Re: Get Em.
« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2006, 07:17:13 AM »
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PLEASE, respect the land and animals, don't speed, don't deface anything and don't leave food or dirty dishes /trash laying about!


Amen to that! And to relate speeding and snakes:

On my very first visit to BB, I had spent a grand total of 5 minutes in the park when I made my first impact on the wildlife - I ran over a snake. Now I suppose most people would just say, "eh... it's only a snake", but I did feel bad about killing an animal, particularly becuase I was slightly speeding and wasn't looking at the road very much (it's too easy to get distracted while driving through the park :) ).

That's when the seriousness of the 45 mph speed limit became suddenly apparent and incredibly important to me. I never bust 45 mph now.
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Re: Get Em.
« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2006, 07:28:15 AM »
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Quote from: "chisos_muse"

PLEASE, respect the land and animals, don't speed, don't deface anything and don't leave food or dirty dishes /trash laying about!  8)

Off the soapbox now..... :oops:


Well I actually wasn;t the least bit worried about that snake.  The big worry was how dumb it was and how that could have been a huge mistake for Terry's health.  He also picked up a water moccassin not too long before that at Big Thicket.  I think he's too emboldened by getting away with it.  

We did show the picture to three different rangers and they didn't seem too concerned other than to caution about the danger.  One ranger in the basin store said it was stupid but then proceded to show us some similar pictures on his work computer that he had received by email.  Another informed us it was against official policy but they are more concerned about snake/reptile collecting.

BTW, the snake went on his way without even rattling at us.


Yes, your friend is lucky he wasn't bitten...
So...I'm guessing you're the "Marlin Perkins" to his "Jim"? :roll:



Actually, Jim Fowler has a great bio here: http://www.wildkingdom.com/nostalgia/bio_jim.html

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« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2006, 08:05:23 AM »
I'll assist a rattlesnake across a road if it's safe to do so.  They're very slow moving and extemely vulnerable to traffic.  I won't do it if a feel that I may create a traffic hazard in a save.
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Re: Get Em.
« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2006, 06:49:19 PM »
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Yes, your friend is lucky he wasn't bitten...
So...I'm guessing you're the "Marlin Perkins" to his "Jim"? :roll:

Actually, Jim Fowler has a great bio here: http://www.wildkingdom.com/nostalgia/bio_jim.html


I'm not too sure who is Marlin Perkins but I think that gives both of us too much credit.  We're just a couple of knuckleheads that love the outdoors.

I'll make darn sure there's no snake rassling but I do hope to bring back some great pictures including the trans-pecos copperhead.  Some bear pictures too.

We're heading to the park on Thursday of next week.  The third hiker of our group has backed out and it looks like we're back on our original plan to canoe the canyons.  Also on the agenda to hike to Boot Canyon (bears), south rim and Banta shut-in.  

Between now and Aug. 31st I have to make stops in Dallas (work) , Boca Raton (work) FT Lauderdale (work) and Miami (work) and back to Houston.  
I won't be able to read this forum again until after the trip.

Y'all be good and enjoy your Labor Day trips!  I'm out for this year's Grand Adventure!!  

Much Love, Be Safe,

Jeff
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Re: Get Em.
« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2006, 07:00:54 PM »
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I'm not too sure who is Marlin Perkins


Ah, showing your age there Musey.   8)   PS.  I know who Marlin Perkins and Jim are.  I used to watch Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom too.  That pair kinda reminds me of Bob Villa.  Marlin/Bob always sit on the sidelines and "supervise" while Jim/Norm do all the work.

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« Reply #52 on: August 24, 2006, 09:59:46 AM »
I knew he looked familiar.  I used to love watching Mutual of Omaha.  I'm not as old as you, though, ShaneA :lol:
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« Reply #53 on: August 24, 2006, 10:52:25 AM »
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I'm not as old as you, though, ShaneA :lol:


Guess what, one day you will be...  :D

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« Reply #54 on: August 25, 2006, 09:54:36 PM »
Marlin, from sidelines:
  "Jim will now attempt to artificially inseminate the angry female rhino using only his bare hands and a blindfold."

Jim, confronting less than amorous rhino:
   "AAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!"

 :wink:
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Re: Guess What
« Reply #55 on: August 25, 2006, 10:18:03 PM »
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Quote from: "randell"
I'm not as old as you, though, ShaneA :lol:

Guess what, one day you will be...  :D

Only if you die before he does!   :P

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« Reply #56 on: May 30, 2007, 12:47:53 PM »
where I come from in the everglades, we generally had two snakes to be wary of ~ the pygmy rattler (small but poisonous) and the coral snake.  since I lived in the everglades, I carried a snake venom kit that was available as a doctors prescription.  there were three vials ~ for the rattler, the coral and a generic.  the shelf life was very good ~ 3-5 years, and cost about $200.00. good insurance when out on your own.  is that sort of kit available in the big bend area?

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« Reply #57 on: May 30, 2007, 08:50:59 PM »
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is that sort of kit available in the big bend area?


Never heard of anything like that.  Our Dr. on call - AKA MountainDocDanny can offer insight.   In talking with BIBEARCH, he got nipped by a rattler, it took many vials of antivenin to do the trick at a whopping monetary cost.

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« Reply #58 on: May 31, 2007, 05:55:46 AM »
the kits that were available in florida, were only a stopgap measure, meant to keep you alive 'til you quickly found a doctor.

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« Reply #59 on: May 31, 2007, 12:20:17 PM »
The most commonly used antivenom in the US is CroFab, which consists of antibodies from sheep who have been exposed to venom from the eastern and western Diamondback, the Mojave rattlesnake and the cottonmouth. Generally, it is only used if there are signs of extreme local symptoms (bad swelling that may threaten circulation) or lab tests indicating problems with the body's ability to form clots, kidney problems, large amounts of muscle breakdown or neurologic problems. Generally you give 4-6 vials of CroFab (about $1200-1500 per vial) and look at possible repeat doses later depending on response. There is also a separate antivenin for coral snakes that uses horse antibodies, but as coral snake bites are exceptionally rare (unless handling the snake) this is no often used.

I'm not familiar with the kits referred to by gatorbred, but that may just be my own ignorance.

 

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