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Inreach and other PLBs

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Re: Inreach and other PLBs
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2019, 08:59:45 PM »
The satellite phone rental looks better and better over time...  :eusa_think:

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Re: Inreach and other PLBs
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2019, 09:05:18 PM »
My question, if anyone knows, what would happen if you pushed the SOS button on an inReach in the backcountry of big bend. How quickly would the local SAR/authorities be notified and mobilized and who would respond first? Iím guessing not as quickly as it was at Mt Rainier but I donít know.

Here is one real world example in Big Bend. This was actually a PLB, but I canít imagine the response being much different.  Of course the 2 way texting on the iNReach would help sharpen the response, assuming that you were still conscious / coherent enough to utilize it.

http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/your-trip-reports/warning-initial-trip-reportelephant-tuskdecember-30-31/



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Re: Inreach and other PLBs
« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2019, 09:36:36 PM »
My question, if anyone knows, what would happen if you pushed the SOS button on an inReach in the backcountry of big bend. How quickly would the local SAR/authorities be notified and mobilized and who would respond first? Iím guessing not as quickly as it was at Mt Rainier but I donít know.

Here is one real world example in Big Bend. This was actually a PLB, but I canít imagine the response being much different.  Of course the 2 way texting on the iNReach would help sharpen the response, assuming that you were still conscious / coherent enough to utilize it.

http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/your-trip-reports/warning-initial-trip-reportelephant-tuskdecember-30-31/
Yes, I remember that story.  It was very suspicious to me.

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Re: Inreach and other PLBs
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2019, 11:56:42 PM »
Great stuff Presidio and Gary F! Ranger Tim I will be interested to know how that goes. Yeah my real question was deep in the backcountry, how long would it take a helicopter to respond and whoís would it be. In this real world example it belonged to DPS and responded the following morning for a call placed at night. The two way texting would indeed be useful if the gps had you in the wrong spot. Interesting also how this was the first use of a PLB in big bend. I wonder if there have been any since.

Hang10er, I have indeed read death in Big Bend and am also well versed in Wilderness SAR. I was specifically wondering about the response from a PLB or inReach. Good stuff!

Casa Grande, why was that story suspicious?
It's amazing how quickly the human body deteriorates when you sit around indoors.

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Re: Inreach and other PLBs
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2019, 07:45:09 AM »
Any thoughts on portable ham radios?  My son just purchased one (Yaseau FT-60R) for his hiking adventures.

It would depend on the frequency.  The Yaesu FT-60R is a dual band - 2m/70cm with only 5 watts of power.  It needs a repeater fairly close by (within a few miles) to work.  The nearest repeaters appear to be in Alpine or between Sanderson and Rosenfeld, both right off Highway 90. 

In other areas not as remote, a Ham radio H/T might be a good choice.

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Re: Inreach and other PLBs
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2019, 08:38:19 AM »




Casa Grande, why was that story suspicious?

I'm going to guess you're talking about this story from many years ago....

https://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/index.php?topic=2695.0

I briefly looked over the post again and the whole story seemed odd.  It looked like he set up a rescue situation so he could use the PLB.  Anyway, I remember having a conversation with other BBCers in person during a Bender party about that story and we all seemed to agree.   Been a long time then though.

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Re: Inreach and other PLBs
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2019, 09:47:26 AM »
I had the Spot Gen 3 for a few years and then replaced it with the inReach when it came out. Iíve never used either for any emergency but would not consider backpacking without my inReach.

Good information on the topic via both of the links below.

https://www.adventurealan.com/best-satellite-messenger-inreach-vs-spot/

https://andrewskurka.com/section/how-to/gear/satellite-communication/



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« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2019, 05:57:02 PM »
Does anyone have any thing to say about this?

Not specifically, but be sure what you are signing up for.

The first gen Spot had a user obligation that was artfully buried way down in the tiny text of the agreement that hooked users to an auto-renewing contract.

Therefore, if users didn't renew (either due to the credit card being rejected or you just didn't want to continue the use), Spot embarked on a dunning campaign, calling and emailing lapsed users. If the user did not respond, Spot threatened legal action and credit reporting hits.

So, instead of service simply ending when the subscription period expired, Spot's idea was to obligate users to affirmatively call (not email, not online) to cancel.

There's examples of this business techniques (thankfully rare) in other consumer products, and it bespeaks poor service.

Has Spot changed its approach? No idea.
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Re: Inreach and other PLBs
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2019, 06:17:41 PM »
Does anyone have any thing to say about this?

So, instead of service simply ending when the subscription period expired, Spot's idea was to obligate users to affirmatively call (not email, not online) to cancel.

I loath this practice. Alarm companies are notorious for this.



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« Last Edit: August 14, 2019, 06:23:52 PM by Casa Grande »

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Re: Inreach and other PLBs
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2019, 06:07:30 PM »
I too did all the research a few years ago, and the Inreach won hands-down.

I purchased mine about a year before the Inreach Mini came out. Dangit. I'd rather have the Mini because the "Maxi" is rather large.

REI sold me a returned-and-repackaged unit. I could not register it, because the prior user registered it; and not even Garmin could un-register it. The original user has to un-register it, which may never happen. I took it back to REI and exchanged it for an actual new unit, and all was well.

One feature of the Inreach I didn't see mentioned was the ability to track in near real-time your actual GPS tracked trip. When you start your trip, you send a message to interested parties that you're starting the trip, and the message includes a link to a website that they can go to and monitor your progress. That way if you stop moving for say... two weeks, then something just maybe could have gone wrong!  :willynilly:

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Re: Inreach and other PLBs
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2019, 06:55:33 PM »
Inreach it is. Now where did I put that $400?

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Re: Inreach and other PLBs
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2019, 09:03:08 PM »
I've had a Spot Gen 3 for a couple of years. There are issues (not related to my confidence in the SOS feature) that had about convinced me to junk it in favor of an inReach; namely, a nearly total lack of indicated continued support. It seemed as if 90% of the company's $$ were being spent on marketing; the phone app was abysmal and went years without an update, the website has an attractive presence, but website functionality is limited and the UI is totally confusing and in many cases nonsensical.

My opinions were shared by others. In the past few weeks, out of the blue, their CEO sent an email addressing these issues, also the somewhat underhanded subscription issue (being replaced).  So we'll see, I guess.

*I had a long talk with the GUMO Dog Canyon ranger about the chain of communication if I had to push the SOS, and he said it would get to the sherriff's office, thence to NPS pretty quick.

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Re: Inreach and other PLBs
« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2019, 02:25:35 PM »
My only negative experience with my InReach (with 5 trips under my belt) occurred last week. I sent an "All is well" to my wife at the end of a day, and it did not get to her for about 16 hours which caused her some anxiety. In just about every other case, with an open sky messages seem to be delivered in a minute or two.
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Re: Inreach and other PLBs
« Reply #43 on: August 19, 2019, 04:25:41 PM »
I sent an "All is well" to my wife at the end of a day, and it did not get to her for about 16 hours which caused her some anxiety.

Did Garmin have anything to say about that? Or, is such an issue covered in the tiny print?
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Re: Inreach and other PLBs
« Reply #44 on: August 19, 2019, 10:37:40 PM »
Happened upon this article by chance. Interesting read, sheds some light on the differences between a PLB and an inReach and also on what specifically happens when you push the SOS button.

https://www.adventure-journal.com/2019/08/hit-sos-on-your-sat-messenger-or-plb-heres-how-the-rescue-happens/?fbclid=IwAR1tzDfXp4ViHOD60xptfYoNLzIqigUYvwzPZDaBE5T56OOS7tVUxVLBc8I
It's amazing how quickly the human body deteriorates when you sit around indoors.

 


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