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Anyone ever been to Solis spring?

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Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« on: February 20, 2009, 05:24:23 PM »
Just wondered if anyone has been out to Solis spring, SE of Talley Mtn. and N of the river road, E of Mariscal Mtn.

Does it exist and does it ever have any water in it?

I am thinking about a trip that might go past it if there is anything to see there and if there is a chance of water. It is the only spring on the map in that entire area of the park.
temperatures exceed 100 degrees F
minimum 1 gallon water per person/day
no shade, no water
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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2009, 08:17:05 PM »
Pete tried to find it during our stay at Fresno.  He reported back no luck finding it which doesn't mean it isn't there.

Al

P.S. He didn't use a GPS although we had a couple available.
« Last Edit: February 20, 2009, 08:40:50 PM by Al »

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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2009, 09:10:51 PM »
Pete tried to find it during our stay at Fresno.  He reported back no luck finding it which doesn't mean it isn't there.

Al

Thanks Al, I was thinking you might have tried as you were just out there. Maybe someone else will have tried also. It might be like Gomez spring, near Willow Mtn., that I could find no sign of when we came through there in Dec.
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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2009, 09:36:24 PM »
If you're planning another cross country hike across this part of the park, there is a lot of access along most probable routes via the back roads for caching so you probably wouldn't have to rely on Solis Spring.

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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2009, 07:05:12 AM »
If you're planning another cross country hike across this part of the park, there is a lot of access along most probable routes via the back roads for caching so you probably wouldn't have to rely on Solis Spring.

Al

This is true if I had a truck or some high clearance vehicle more than the usual rental car I get. I like to check out the springs anyway, whether I actually get water from them or not.
temperatures exceed 100 degrees F
minimum 1 gallon water per person/day
no shade, no water
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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2009, 11:50:33 AM »
In looking at the satellite view it looks like there might be an old stock tank there. Of course, it may be something completely different. I also noticed the old road/pack trail that goes near by. You can see some of it in the satellite view.

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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2009, 02:19:54 PM »
If you're planning another cross country hike across this part of the park, there is a lot of access along most probable routes via the back roads for caching so you probably wouldn't have to rely on Solis Spring.

Al
This is true if I had a truck or some high clearance vehicle more than the usual rental car I get. I like to check out the springs anyway, whether I actually get water from them or not.

Just note from our trip report that we had no trouble getting a Corolla to Fresno and back. 

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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2009, 04:21:00 PM »
If you're planning another cross country hike across this part of the park, there is a lot of access along most probable routes via the back roads for caching so you probably wouldn't have to rely on Solis Spring.

Al
This is true if I had a truck or some high clearance vehicle more than the usual rental car I get. I like to check out the springs anyway, whether I actually get water from them or not.

Just note from our trip report that we had no trouble getting a Corolla to Fresno and back. 

Al

I did note that in your report, how long did it take to drive the Corolla in there?
temperatures exceed 100 degrees F
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no shade, no water
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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2009, 06:28:07 PM »
About an hour each way on RR East.  Could be done a little quicker or could take a little longer. Depends on your level of respect for rent cars.

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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2009, 01:52:44 PM »
Actually Al, I did have my GPS and got to a ridge overlooking Solis sp aboout 2.5 miles from Fresno.  I was about 1/2 mile from the springs according to my GPS.  It was an easy cross country hike to that point, but it was too late in the day and and the descent off the ridge was more than I felt like, realizing I would be climbing back up in a hurry to get back before dark.  So I satified myself with seeing the trees from a distance.  Little did I know that the freshly cobbled soles of my boots were delaminating, so it turned out to be a good decision.

The drive in the Corolla from RGV to Fresno, was no big deal.  A leasurely 3/4 to 1 hour drive (about 20 miles) maybe four washes to cross taking some care.  As long as River Road has been graded since the last big storm, it should be easy.

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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2009, 06:16:23 PM »
Pete, thanks for straightening out my post.  But perhaps more important will be your report on your boots which were flapping when you reached camp.  Rumor has it that the field repair Erle turned you onto has actually worked!  Please tell us more.

Al
« Last Edit: February 28, 2009, 10:29:16 PM by Al »

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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2009, 10:45:56 AM »
When I returned the soles of my Merrill Light Weight boots that are at least a dozen years old were flapping like a duck caught on a treble hook.  Being relegated to hiking in my Crocs, I set out to mend them.  Thankfully, my friends had several glues because I had none.  (Remember the motto of the heavy weight backpacker: "be ready for anything, carry twice as much as you need for twice as long a stay".) 

First, I cleaned the surfaces, then I tried some of Jim's super glue type gel on one boot.  After letting it sit for an hour or two with a big rock in it to keep the sole pressed to the boot - nada.  Then, I tried some milky South American stuff Erle had on the other boot, deja vu, nada again.  Finally, I used some German glue, named UHU, on one boot, left it overnight with the rock weight and it seemed to hold.  Erle said it was really good stuff.  He was right!  UHU had the acrylate smell of model airplane glue we used to use as kids, but it stayed flexible or rubbery.  So I did the other, unfortunately by the next day BB time was up.  So when I got home, I tried the boots out doing yard chores for several hours and the glue held.  Of course, walking around in the yard and flower beds is not like the rocky uneven surfaces of the desert.  But so far, so good, next trip to the lake (where it is rocky) or similar place I will try them on rougher terrain - with a spare set of shoes.  I also have to go back to my cobbler and tell him his $16 glue repair was not up to the task of one hike in el despoblado.

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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2009, 10:39:19 AM »
Just had a pleasant and interesting email exchange with Jeff Bennett the Science and Resource Management ranger at the park. I emailed the park and asked if the spring survey of the park was available to the public and specifically about Solis spring. I was amazed that he replied in 24 hours.

As to access to the spring survey his reply was:
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Concerning access to the spring survey database, this database contains
sensitive information and is not available to the public.  However, I can
answer questions about specific springs and will do my best to provide you
with everything you need

As to the status of Solis spring he said:
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Solis spring was last visited by NPS in 2007 and
had a little more than a trickle.  In 2003 and 2004, biotechnicians from
the BBNP Division of Science and Resource Management removed the Saltcedar
from the area.  We hope that the native plants have moved back in by now.
This action most likely improved the flow and the water quality of the
spring.  However, measurements made at the time indicate that total
dissolved solids in the spring water are above safety standards.  We do not
recommend drinking this water. Boiling would further concentrate the
dissolved salts, so this is not an adequate precaution

When I asked if filtering would be effective he said:
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Filtering is only effective on removing particulate matter and cells.
Dissolved material such as sodium, calcium, chloride or sulfate, will not
be removed by a filter.  I do not know which elements are responsible for
the high Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) at Solis spring and so can not
predict the likely outcome of consuming the water.  Symptoms could range
from a mild laxative to dehydration to electrolyte imbalance.  If you see
any white powdery precipitant around a spring, the water is too salty for
consumption

He followed with this:
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Please feel free to contact me with any more questions.  Also, please give
me a report when you get back, I'd love to hear what you found

I was very pleased with all of this information and sent him my springs report from the Lajitas to the Basin trip.  So at least we now know something about Solis spring and the possibility to get info about other remote water sources.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2009, 10:43:57 AM by mule ears »
temperatures exceed 100 degrees F
minimum 1 gallon water per person/day
no shade, no water
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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2009, 11:31:57 AM »
Well done!  :eusa_clap:
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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2009, 01:52:23 AM »
Just had a pleasant and interesting email exchange with Jeff Bennett the Science and Resource Management ranger at the park. I emailed the park and asked if the spring survey of the park was available to the public and specifically about Solis spring. I was amazed that he replied in 24 hours.

As to access to the spring survey his reply was:
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Concerning access to the spring survey database, this database contains
sensitive information and is not available to the public.  However, I can
answer questions about specific springs and will do my best to provide you
with everything you need

As to the status of Solis spring he said:
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Solis spring was last visited by NPS in 2007 and
had a little more than a trickle.  In 2003 and 2004, biotechnicians from
the BBNP Division of Science and Resource Management removed the Saltcedar
from the area.  We hope that the native plants have moved back in by now.
This action most likely improved the flow and the water quality of the
spring.  However, measurements made at the time indicate that total
dissolved solids in the spring water are above safety standards.  We do not
recommend drinking this water. Boiling would further concentrate the
dissolved salts, so this is not an adequate precaution

When I asked if filtering would be effective he said:
Quote
Filtering is only effective on removing particulate matter and cells.
Dissolved material such as sodium, calcium, chloride or sulfate, will not
be removed by a filter.  I do not know which elements are responsible for
the high Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) at Solis spring and so can not
predict the likely outcome of consuming the water.  Symptoms could range
from a mild laxative to dehydration to electrolyte imbalance.  If you see
any white powdery precipitant around a spring, the water is too salty for
consumption

He followed with this:
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Please feel free to contact me with any more questions.  Also, please give
me a report when you get back, I'd love to hear what you found

I was very pleased with all of this information and sent him my springs report from the Lajitas to the Basin trip.  So at least we now know something about Solis spring and the possibility to get info about other remote water sources.

I too am interested in the database which supposedly contains 340 springs, seeps, tinajas and a couple of dirt tanks.. I may attempt to obtain this documentation under the Freedom of Information Act. It doesn't appear as though the statutes would in any way restrict the distribution under the Act.
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