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Anyone ever been to Solis spring?

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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2009, 07:16:31 AM »
I too am interested in the database which supposedly contains 340 springs, seeps, tinajas and a couple of dirt tanks.. I may attempt to obtain this documentation under the Freedom of Information Act. It doesn't appear as though the statutes would in any way restrict the distribution under the Act.

Go for it BK, it would be very cool to see where they all are and get the kind of info he gave me on Solis spring for other places. Like I said though I was very pleased to know we could at least get some information about water sources even if we couldn't actually hold the whole thing in our own hands.
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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2009, 04:47:50 PM »
I am curious what springs the government guy would say are good to drink from.  Specifically, he says that if you see white powder around the water, it is no good.  Tornillo creek is about as white as I have seen, but I have not seen any warnings before about drinking the water.  Have I simply not seen water quality warnings about Tornillo creek?

Last year when we did Homer to Dominqez trip, I was not told to avoid the water at Dominqez or any other springs.  But I'm sure most all of them had white powder around them.  And yet somehow, I am still here today.
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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2009, 05:23:33 PM »
I am curious what springs the government guy would say are good to drink from.  Specifically, he says that if you see white powder around the water, it is no good.  Tornillo creek is about as white as I have seen, but I have not seen any warnings before about drinking the water.  Have I simply not seen water quality warnings about Tornillo creek?

Last year when we did Homer to Dominqez trip, I was not told to avoid the water at Dominqez or any other springs.  But I'm sure most all of them had white powder around them.  And yet somehow, I am still here today.

Yeah it is always a question of how much is too much. Most of the springs I have been to have not had any white salt deposits. Tornillo is for sure white and it might have caused "a mild laxative effect" the day after I drank from it as something was up and never thought about it until he said that.

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Symptoms could range
from a mild laxative to dehydration to electrolyte imbalance

You could always email Jeff Bennett at the park and see if he as anymore info.

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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2010, 11:58:17 PM »
Just had a pleasant and interesting email exchange with Jeff Bennett the Science and Resource Management ranger at the park. I emailed the park and asked if the spring survey of the park was available to the public and specifically about Solis spring. I was amazed that he replied in 24 hours.

As to access to the spring survey his reply was:
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Concerning access to the spring survey database, this database contains
sensitive information and is not available to the public.  However, I can
answer questions about specific springs and will do my best to provide you
with everything you need

As to the status of Solis spring he said:
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Solis spring was last visited by NPS in 2007 and
had a little more than a trickle.  In 2003 and 2004, biotechnicians from
the BBNP Division of Science and Resource Management removed the Saltcedar
from the area.  We hope that the native plants have moved back in by now.
This action most likely improved the flow and the water quality of the
spring.  However, measurements made at the time indicate that total
dissolved solids in the spring water are above safety standards.  We do not
recommend drinking this water. Boiling would further concentrate the
dissolved salts, so this is not an adequate precaution

When I asked if filtering would be effective he said:
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Filtering is only effective on removing particulate matter and cells.
Dissolved material such as sodium, calcium, chloride or sulfate, will not
be removed by a filter.  I do not know which elements are responsible for
the high Total Dissolved Solids (TDS) at Solis spring and so can not
predict the likely outcome of consuming the water.  Symptoms could range
from a mild laxative to dehydration to electrolyte imbalance.  If you see
any white powdery precipitant around a spring, the water is too salty for
consumption

He followed with this:
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Please feel free to contact me with any more questions.  Also, please give
me a report when you get back, I'd love to hear what you found

I was very pleased with all of this information and sent him my springs report from the Lajitas to the Basin trip.  So at least we now know something about Solis spring and the possibility to get info about other remote water sources.

mule ears, that is great information.  To the side, Pete tried to go to Solis Spring again this year from the Fresno Primitive Campsite and did not get there.  Using his fancy Garmin 60Csx the GPS sent him in the wrong direction and he ended up on the wrong side of Fresno Creek where he describes a 50 ft. cut bank that he was standing on looking across.  The good news, he didn't need water.  Sounds to me like a 7.5 minute map and a good compass is probably a better way to go, if you decide to check it out.

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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2010, 08:08:54 AM »

mule ears, that is great information.  To the side, Pete tried to go to Solis Spring again this year from the Fresno Primitive Campsite and did not get there.  Using his fancy Garmin 60Csx the GPS sent him in the wrong direction and he ended up on the wrong side of Fresno Creek where he describes a 50 ft. cut bank that he was standing on looking across.  The good news, he didn't need water.  Sounds to me like a 7.5 minute map and a good compass is probably a better way to go, if you decide to check it out.

Al

Don't tell Homero that the GPS let Pedro down.  :icon_wink:  I am sorry he didn't get to the spring though.

Yeah I figure it will be next winter, at the earliest, before I get a chance to try and get to it.
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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2010, 12:00:09 PM »

mule ears, that is great information.  To the side, Pete tried to go to Solis Spring again this year from the Fresno Primitive Campsite and did not get there.  Using his fancy Garmin 60Csx the GPS sent him in the wrong direction and he ended up on the wrong side of Fresno Creek where he describes a 50 ft. cut bank that he was standing on looking across.  The good news, he didn't need water.  Sounds to me like a 7.5 minute map and a good compass is probably a better way to go, if you decide to check it out.

Al

Don't tell Homero that the GPS let Pedro down.  :icon_wink:  I am sorry he didn't get to the spring though.

Yeah I figure it will be next winter, at the earliest, before I get a chance to try and get to it.


Sounds like operator error to me??
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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2010, 12:46:49 PM »

mule ears, that is great information.  To the side, Pete tried to go to Solis Spring again this year from the Fresno Primitive Campsite and did not get there.  Using his fancy Garmin 60Csx the GPS sent him in the wrong direction and he ended up on the wrong side of Fresno Creek where he describes a 50 ft. cut bank that he was standing on looking across.  The good news, he didn't need water.  Sounds to me like a 7.5 minute map and a good compass is probably a better way to go, if you decide to check it out.

Al

Don't tell Homero that the GPS let Pedro down.  :icon_wink:  I am sorry he didn't get to the spring though.

Yeah I figure it will be next winter, at the earliest, before I get a chance to try and get to it.


Sounds like operator error to me??

Could be . . . although the boy has undergraduate and master's degrees in civil engineering.  I think he hit a worm hole or gravitational anomaly.

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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2010, 04:54:24 PM »
Coming in late...I thought i had almost convinced Mule Ears in buying a Garmin, but with what you have said,Al. I think everything went down the drain.... :icon_frown:

 Surely was Operator Error, I ahve never heard of a 60 Csx failing, there is always a first.
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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2010, 06:07:50 PM »

 Surely was Operator Error, I ahve never heard of a 60 Csx failing, there is always a first.

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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2010, 06:10:22 PM »
What's the vertical topographic resolution of a Big Bend map stored in the Garmin?

Al

PS Otherwise known as contour interval . . .
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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2010, 08:34:24 PM »
What's the vertical topographic resolution of a Big Bend map stored in the Garmin?

Al

PS Otherwise known as contour interval . . .


Depends on the map. "BK's Big Bend Topo" has 20' contours.

Some USGS 1:24,000 7.5 minute quads are 40', 20' and there are even some 10 ft intervals in some areas, depending on terrain relief. The USGS Big Bend quads appear to be all 40' intervals.

Garmin 24k topos appear to follow the USGS model of 40' contours for Big Bend 7.5 minute 24k Quads.

On the 100k maps -  1:100,000 the contours are at intervals of 5, 10, 20, or 50 meters, depending on terrain relief. I'm not sure how Garmin produces these, but they are not good for hiking regardless.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2010, 08:56:03 PM »
What's the vertical topographic resolution of a Big Bend map stored in the Garmin?

Al

PS Otherwise known as contour interval . . .


Depends on the map. "BK's Big Bend Topo" has 20' contours.

Some USGS 1:24,000 7.5 minute quads are 40', 20' and there are even some 10 ft intervals in some areas, depending on terrain relief. The USGS Big Bend quads appear to be all 40' intervals.

Garmin 24k topos appear to follow the USGS model of 40' contours for Big Bend 7.5 minute 24k Quads.

On the 100k maps -  1:100,000 the contours are at intervals of 5, 10, 20, or 50 meters, depending on terrain relief. I'm not sure how Garmin produces these, but they are not good for hiking regardless.

Hope this helps.



BK, it was a leading question. Sounds like you're an old Eagle Scout too.  The 7.5' USGS maps I have of Big Bend also have 40' contours.  So a paper map wouldn't have better resolution than the Garmin.  As flat as that area is, a 40' contour can hide a lot of variation in topography.  In addition to not showing significant erosion features, Pete's biggest complaint was he couldn't see that much of the map at a time. That's where a 7.5' map would help.  Having a 20' contour like you would make a BIG difference in either format.

Do you have to move the 60Csx for it's compass to work?

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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2010, 10:03:20 PM »
You can turn the 60 Csx on it's axis and the compass will move. Short answer would be no.
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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2010, 10:17:55 PM »
You can turn the 60 Csx on it's axis and the compass will move. Short answer would be no.

Does it have to be level to be accurate?

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Re: Anyone ever been to Solis spring?
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2010, 10:40:46 PM »
What's the vertical topographic resolution of a Big Bend map stored in the Garmin?

Al

PS Otherwise known as contour interval . . .


Depends on the map. "BK's Big Bend Topo" has 20' contours.

Some USGS 1:24,000 7.5 minute quads are 40', 20' and there are even some 10 ft intervals in some areas, depending on terrain relief. The USGS Big Bend quads appear to be all 40' intervals.

Garmin 24k topos appear to follow the USGS model of 40' contours for Big Bend 7.5 minute 24k Quads.

On the 100k maps -  1:100,000 the contours are at intervals of 5, 10, 20, or 50 meters, depending on terrain relief. I'm not sure how Garmin produces these, but they are not good for hiking regardless.

Hope this helps.



BK, it was a leading question. Sounds like you're an old Eagle Scout too.  The 7.5' USGS maps I have of Big Bend also have 40' contours.  So a paper map wouldn't have better resolution than the Garmin.  As flat as that area is, a 40' contour can hide a lot of variation in topography.  In addition to not showing significant erosion features, Pete's biggest complaint was he couldn't see that much of the map at a time. That's where a 7.5' map would help.  Having a 20' contour like you would make a BIG difference in either format.

Do you have to move the 60Csx for it's compass to work?

Al

The 60CSX has an electronic magnetic compass that needs to be held level. You do not need to be moving to take a heading. In addition, GPS will take over once you start moving and your heading will be determined from your horizontal displacement. You can adjust the amount of time and the speed at which the electronic compass takes over. This is useful if you are stopped and using the GPS like a handheld compass. The advantage of this system is power management....the electronic compass reduces battery life, and you don't really need it when walking, so it shuts off and uses GPS heading.

And yes Al, I agree that you can't see much of the map at one time, and I always carry a map I can lay out and get "the bigger picture". GPS does not replace a maps.......yet
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