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MDA Rim Traverse

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Offline steelfrog

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MDA Rim Traverse
« on: February 12, 2019, 04:36:46 PM »
Has anyone hiked out to Mariposa, hang a right down to the Rim, run the rim all the way up to teh Point (traversing the several side canyons) and then don the whole north rim back?  In other words, basically draw a line around MDA?  Dumb idea?

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Offline House Made of Dawn

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Re: MDA Rim Traverse
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2019, 05:15:55 PM »
 I think Desert Rat Shorty, and also Lance and Elhombre, et al, have done the first half (in reverse), and many have done the second half, but no one has yet done the whole in one fell swoop. It would make a great story.


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Offline steelfrog

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Re: MDA Rim Traverse
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2019, 09:57:09 PM »
Done!  Pack weight without food and water will be under 5 pounds.  I got an 8oz MLD bivy and a 900 fill 30degree bag thatís about a pound. Light close cell foam pad. ULD fastpack 30. Throw in the filter and some layers and 5 pounds or less. Will roll with 2 liters and about 15,000 calories including moose goo. Total pack weight with food 12-13pounds. Itís gonna be fun. Camp first night near rockslide and second at the Point. Then out next day traversing the whole north rim.  In March sometime. If you donít hear from steel by April, drink a beer in remembrance. 🍺

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Offline Lance

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Re: MDA Rim Traverse
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2019, 09:58:25 PM »
Dumb idea?

Youíve never had one of those..


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Re: MDA Rim Traverse
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2019, 12:36:09 AM »
Do I detect...sarcasm?  Ha ha

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Re: MDA Rim Traverse
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2019, 06:59:06 AM »
Oh good lord.

Have you considered the possibility that for some people, long hard days are full of joy precisely because they are long and hard?

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Offline Keepa

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Re: MDA Rim Traverse
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2019, 09:01:06 AM »
To each his own.

A guy did the Arizona Trail (800 miles) in 16 days, that's the fastest known time.

A guy did the AT, PCT and CDT in the same year.

My friend did rim to rim to rim in the Grand Canyon.

I would never do these things, but that's me.

Hike your own hike.

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Re: MDA Rim Traverse
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2019, 09:28:48 AM »
Agreed.  I've been nothing but encouraging on here for anybody wanting to do things.  Not really looking for criticism.

I can't explain why I've gotten into the long-distance stuff.  Started about age 40 or so when I did my first GC RtRtR.  Only did 2 of those but have since done 13 more RtRs, and plus a whole bunch of other stuff.  Going fast and light opens up tons of possibilities for me that aren't reasonably available to me otherwise.  Example, I am super busy and have 6 kids, so time is at a premium.  And yes, the kids go too (Mandy did OML dayhike with me in November '18, e.g.).  The other thing is, I'm old and fat, 2 bad knees and a bad back.  I don't like carrying a heavy pack.  That, to me, is miserable.  Back hurts, knees hurt, etc.  Even when I do overnight backpacks, I go very light.

Another thing is that many things requiring overnight permits, such as OML, many of the loops in the Tetons, things in Cali or Washington (like the Enchantments in the Alpine Lakes Wilderness) are impossible to get permits for unless you're lucky.  But, as light dayhikes, don't need a permit.  And you get to see much more in a given period of time.  Also, see things at different times.  For example, people camping on the Dodson might not see the stars I see all night, smell the wonderful smells on the Dodson from the night-blooming plants and see all the wildlife you see out there at night--snakes, scorpions, nightjars, cats, owls, you name it.  I highly recommend taking a night time jaunt across the dodson if you've never done it, it's a surreal experience.  And doing it alone adds another level of mysticism to it that is hard to forget.

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Re: MDA Rim Traverse
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2019, 10:39:26 AM »

And you get to see much more in a given period of time.  Also, see things at different times.  For example, people camping on the Dodson might not see the stars I see all night, smell the wonderful smells on the Dodson from the night-blooming plants and see all the wildlife you see out there at night--snakes, scorpions, nightjars, cats, owls, you name it.  I highly recommend taking a night time jaunt across the dodson if you've never done it, it's a surreal experience.  And doing it alone adds another level of mysticism to it that is hard to forget.


Now I HAVE done that one. What you say is very true.



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Re: MDA Rim Traverse
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2019, 09:37:11 AM »
Agreed.  I've been nothing but encouraging on here for anybody wanting to do things.  Not really looking for criticism.

I can't explain why I've gotten into the long-distance stuff.  Started about age 40 or so when I did my first GC RtRtR.  Only did 2 of those but have since done 13 more RtRs, and plus a whole bunch of other stuff.  Going fast and light opens up tons of possibilities for me that aren't reasonably available to me otherwise.  Example, I am super busy and have 6 kids, so time is at a premium.  And yes, the kids go too (Mandy did OML dayhike with me in November '18, e.g.).  The other thing is, I'm old and fat, 2 bad knees and a bad back.  I don't like carrying a heavy pack.  That, to me, is miserable.  Back hurts, knees hurt, etc.  Even when I do overnight backpacks, I go very light.

Another thing is that many things requiring overnight permits, such as OML, many of the loops in the Tetons, things in Cali or Washington (like the Enchantments in the Alpine Lakes Wilderness) are impossible to get permits for unless you're lucky.  But, as light dayhikes, don't need a permit.  And you get to see much more in a given period of time.  Also, see things at different times.  For example, people camping on the Dodson might not see the stars I see all night, smell the wonderful smells on the Dodson from the night-blooming plants and see all the wildlife you see out there at night--snakes, scorpions, nightjars, cats, owls, you name it.  I highly recommend taking a night time jaunt across the dodson if you've never done it, it's a surreal experience.  And doing it alone adds another level of mysticism to it that is hard to forget.

Got tips on the RtRtR? Doing a 2 day in a sept. Think it should be fun. Also planning for BB100 so looking into water on the MdA which is how I wound up on this thread :)

Also - will add am with you on this style of hiking.  With a heavy pack my mind is on my pack.  With a light pack my mind is on my surroundings.  And somehow the hiking (I go at a reasonable pace for me) feels like a moving meditation.  Especially solo. Personally, I sometimes experience nature better when moving through it.  The hiking distracts the restless part of my brain and leaves the rest of me free to be aware of the land.

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Re: MDA Rim Traverse
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2019, 06:32:10 PM »
Depends what you want to do on RTRTR.

If you just want to tick the North rim off and say you did RTRTR, then I have a suggestion.  But, a couple of observations:

Between PR and the NR, there are only a few interesting things, on the trail.  There's the Narrows and Ribbon Falls, there's the Red Wall.  That's about it.  Above Manzanita/Pumphouse--boring and tons of altitude gain, as the NR is 1000' higher than the SR.

So, if you want to just tag the NR, I'd say dayhike it with a very light pack from Cottonwood, and make it as quick as possible, cause it'll be miserable and fairly devoid of views.

Also, when people say RTR, or RTRTR, it's generally understood to be in one push, under 24 hours.  I would never say I did the RTR or RTRTR if I was doing it with a overnight camp trip.

Now, if you want to the best stuff, the perfect one night itinerary I'd recommend:  Hike down South Kaibab; once at PR, dayhike with light pack up to Ribbon Falls and back; then, hike up the Clear Creek trail, and continue past the big cairn to the SECOND crenelation, all the way out to the end, and you can camp out there where you can look up and down the river from the north Tanto plateau, with absolutely no company; also, explore and enjoy a liesurely night up there.  Then, in the morning after sunrise, hike down to PR and spend the day hiking back up Bright Angel.

This assumes you've never done BA; if you have, I'd go back up SK, as BA is not as scenic as SK.

As far as MDA, I am currently planning a trip to completely cover the entire rim of it.  There's a few tinajas/springs out there.

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Offline Lissa

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Re: MDA Rim Traverse
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2019, 06:59:20 PM »
Thanks Steelfrog.  I guess we are doing a RtRx2. South rim to North Rim vŪa South Kaibab on day 1, return via Bright Angel day 2.  Though could be convinced to redo south kaibab. No camping this trip.  Would you say Ribbon falls is worth the side trip?

As for MdA - our trip should be early Dec. are tinajas semi reliable that time of year?

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Offline Lissa

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Re: MDA Rim Traverse
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2019, 07:02:38 PM »
Am also filing your GC tips away for future exploration trips.  This one is more of a group physical challenge trip.  And while I imagine itís somewhat boring, our last trip was the Sierra club One Day Hike thatís  100K along the flat C&O canal.  So I doubt itís quite as boring as that was ;)
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Offline steelfrog

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Re: MDA Rim Traverse
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2019, 10:42:59 PM »
Ribbon falls is definitely worth it. Very short side trip.  Also you can take trails on either side that allow you to avoid about a 200í vertical hill thatís right at the northern bridge to ribbon

Some MDA water sources are more reliable than others. When Iím going out there, I literally watch radar and weather reports for a couple weeks before heading there. I plan to do my circumnavigation after some good rains , opportunistically

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Re: MDA Rim Traverse
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2019, 11:30:56 PM »
Best wishes.
Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

 


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