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Smoky Creek Map help - from you electronic wizards

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Re: Smoky Creek Map help - from you electronic wizards
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2016, 05:07:26 PM »
Several things.  1) when you look at BK's picture from below note the colored bands of rock, it is distinctive.  2) the campsite is to the left in the picture (to the right if coming from the spring) near the 3200 elevation mark on a standard used topo.  3) the spring I believe is Derek spring and almost never has water

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Re: Smoky Creek Map help - from you electronic wizards
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2016, 05:08:37 PM »
Several things.  1) when you look at BK's picture from below note the colored bands of rock, it is distinctive.  2) the campsite is to the left in the picture (to the right if coming from the spring) near the 3200 elevation mark on a standard used topo.  3) the spring I believe is Derek spring and almost never has water

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Re: Smoky Creek Map help - from you electronic wizards
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2016, 06:21:37 PM »
Pressing my luck here - does anyone know how far it would be from the Basin to Mule Ears parking area?

Driving?
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Re: Smoky Creek Map help - from you electronic wizards
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2016, 06:31:31 PM »
I'm having trouble opening the map in a separate window ......

It appears that IE and Edge don't have that function. It works in Chrome. You can always right click and "save file as" a jpg, and look at it.

And yes...like ME says the spring is Derek Spring. I doubt it ever flows. It's more like a seep that allows some foliage to grow there. I think I might have another photo of that....maybe

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Re: Smoky Creek Map help - from you electronic wizards
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2016, 09:08:10 PM »
Several things.  1) when you look at BK's picture from below note the colored bands of rock, it is distinctive.  2) the campsite is to the left in the picture (to the right if coming from the spring) near the 3200 elevation mark on a standard used topo.  3) the spring I believe is Derek spring and almost never has water

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I noticed Derek Spring on Badknee's map.  And you say there is a great campsite there?

My tentative plan would have me here on night #2.
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Re: Smoky Creek Map help - from you electronic wizards
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2016, 09:12:20 PM »
Pressing my luck here - does anyone know how far it would be from the Basin to Mule Ears parking area?

Driving?

No sir.  I'm wondering about the trail mileage beginning at the Basin - Laguna Meadows Trail - Homer Wilson across a stretch of the OML to Smokey Creek trail - down Smoky creek - out at Mule Ears parking.
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Re: Smoky Creek Map help - from you electronic wizards
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2016, 09:14:12 PM »
Several things.  1) when you look at BK's picture from below note the colored bands of rock, it is distinctive.  2) the campsite is to the left in the picture (to the right if coming from the spring) near the 3200 elevation mark on a standard used topo.  3) the spring I believe is Derek spring and almost never has water

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I noticed Derek Spring on Badknee's map.  And you say there is a great campsite there?

My tentative plan would have me here on night #2.

There is a large area just south of the Mule ears spring trail that is good for camping. After you ascend the escarpment you'll see a broad area to the south that offers lots of choices. You can see the area n the map.
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Re: Smoky Creek Map help - from you electronic wizards
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2016, 09:15:54 PM »
Pressing my luck here - does anyone know how far it would be from the Basin to Mule Ears parking area?

Driving?

No sir.  I'm wondering about the trail mileage beginning at the Basin - Laguna Meadows Trail - Homer Wilson across a stretch of the OML to Smokey Creek trail - down Smoky creek - out at Mule Ears parking.

I can give you an estimate. Give me a bit.
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Re: Smoky Creek Map help - from you electronic wizards
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2016, 09:33:18 PM »
Pressing my luck here - does anyone know how far it would be from the Basin to Mule Ears parking area?

Driving?

No sir.  I'm wondering about the trail mileage beginning at the Basin - Laguna Meadows Trail - Homer Wilson across a stretch of the OML to Smokey Creek trail - down Smoky creek - out at Mule Ears parking.

I can give you an estimate. Give me a bit.

Correction - About 24 miles
« Last Edit: November 02, 2016, 09:40:38 PM by badknees »
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Re: Smoky Creek Map help - from you electronic wizards
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2016, 10:02:10 PM »
Pressing my luck here - does anyone know how far it would be from the Basin to Mule Ears parking area?

Driving?

No sir.  I'm wondering about the trail mileage beginning at the Basin - Laguna Meadows Trail - Homer Wilson across a stretch of the OML to Smokey Creek trail - down Smoky creek - out at Mule Ears parking.

I can give you an estimate. Give me a bit.

Correction - About 24 miles

Ok - so this would be my plan (checking for reasonableness).

Day #1 - Begin at Basin, up and over Laguna Meadows Trail, down Blue Creek, and past Homer's place to camp (pick up water at overlook).  This day will be long due to the requirement to get out of Blue Creek to camp.

Day #2 - follow the stretch of the OML up and over the pass to Smoky Creek, go down Smoky Creek to about the point where the trail to Mule Ears leaves Smoky Creek and camp.

Day #3 - "easy" day out to Mule Ears spring for water and then to the car.



Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

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Re: Smoky Creek Map help - from you electronic wizards
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2016, 10:24:16 PM »
Pressing my luck here - does anyone know how far it would be from the Basin to Mule Ears parking area?

Driving?

No sir.  I'm wondering about the trail mileage beginning at the Basin - Laguna Meadows Trail - Homer Wilson across a stretch of the OML to Smokey Creek trail - down Smoky creek - out at Mule Ears parking.

I can give you an estimate. Give me a bit.

Correction - About 24 miles

Ok - so this would be my plan (checking for reasonableness).

Day #1 - Begin at Basin, up and over Laguna Meadows Trail, down Blue Creek, and past Homer's place to camp (pick up water at overlook).  This day will be long due to the requirement to get out of Blue Creek to camp.

Day #2 - follow the stretch of the OML up and over the pass to Smoky Creek, go down Smoky Creek to about the point where the trail to Mule Ears leaves Smoky Creek and camp.

Day #3 - "easy" day out to Mule Ears spring for water and then to the car.

I would cut day 2 short and push some of it to day 3. But that's just me. You have 2 days of 10 miles each, and the 3rd day about 4 miles. If you're good with that, go for it. 10 miles under full pack is outside of my preference these days. Smoky Creek between the Dodson and Mule Ears is a pretty cool place. Much more interesting than the final 4 miles. I'd explore a bit on day 2.

just sayin'

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Re: Smoky Creek Map help - from you electronic wizards
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2016, 11:05:38 PM »
That's some high-quality advice.  Thanks.  What should I look for?
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Re: Smoky Creek Map help - from you electronic wizards
« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2016, 02:03:55 AM »
Several things.  1) when you look at BK's picture from below note the colored bands of rock, it is distinctive.  2) the campsite is to the left in the picture (to the right if coming from the spring) near the 3200 elevation mark on a standard used topo.  3) the spring I believe is Derek spring and almost never has water

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I noticed Derek Spring on Badknee's map.  And you say there is a great campsite there?

My tentative plan would have me here on night #2.
The campsite I am referring to is up on the escarpment overlooking Derek spring and the entire Smoky Creek plain, the banner photo on my site is from there or this one



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« Last Edit: November 03, 2016, 02:35:42 AM by mule ears »
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Re: Smoky Creek Map help - from you electronic wizards
« Reply #28 on: November 03, 2016, 07:03:48 AM »
That's some high-quality advice.  Thanks.  What should I look for?

Just look.....
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Re: Smoky Creek Map help - from you electronic wizards
« Reply #29 on: November 03, 2016, 09:07:20 AM »
This is NOT "high quality advice" that you can get from others, just a different idea.  We found and used an old trail that proved to be fun and a little off-trail challenging on a trip a few years ago.  It kept us from climbing the big hill south of Homer and dropped us on the Smokey Creek trail north of Surgerloaf.    Look at the maps on this trip report. 

http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/your-trip-reports/hot-valentine's-get-a-way!/msg130869/#msg130869

If you made Homer the first night( a heck of a hump, but light weight using the bear box for water), and used the cut off trail we used, you could make it fairly easily to that real nice campsite at Mule Ears overlook.  This would have you see the black rock canyon area.

Or, as you probably have thought about it, just walk ME path backwards past Goat mountain.

Both ideas work for a 2 night/3day adventure.
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