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Smoky Creek Question

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Offline 01ACRViper

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Re: Smoky Creek Question
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2010, 11:19:36 PM »
reading this thread is doing nothing but confusing me  :rolling:

i did this hike, but during the first week when i was solo so i wouldn't have to worry about the big group.

i took the western-most branch since i left the day before a helpful post was made  :icon_redface: it took about half an hour to work around that pouroff since i was alone and didn't want to roll an ankle or anything, but it wasn't technical by any means. there was flowing water at that pouroff as well at the next junction downstream and all through the canyon south of that.

that was a great area and i will be back to finish the creek all the way south to mule ears and to poke around in the other washes.

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Re: Smoky Creek Question
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2010, 11:22:12 PM »
is this the pouroff you bypassed Jeff?





it was dry when i was there, but it seemed that it was easily climbable when a little water was there. get too much water though and you'd have to go around.

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Re: Smoky Creek Question
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2010, 09:34:12 PM »
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it took about half an hour to work around that pouroff

I have the same picture you took looking down the wash from the highest point above it before climbing back down past the pouroff. I checked my track logs and we took about the same amount of time getting around.

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Re: Smoky Creek Question
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2010, 10:31:43 PM »
Viper, I think the one we bypassed was quite a bit larger, unless I'm fooled by the scale of your photo (or I fooled myself into thinking it was taller). At the time, I thought the pouroff was 40-50 feet high, and water was flowing over it.



The coordinates I recorded at the time are UTM 13R 0661975 E 3230196 N NAD27, which, looking at the USGS Emory Peak quad, is just below and to the right of the "g" in "Spring" centered beneath the words "BIG BEND" -- which makes sense, as we failed to take the Smoky Creek Trail out of the drainage below this pouroff and instead continued downstream. The map shows the trail leaving the drainage just downstream from the spring. We did not exit the drainage until the spring marked just southeast of Pt. 4,230, then trekked cross-country almost due south to rejoin the actual trail. We camped at that spot, as the opposite wash is the way to Fisk Canyon.
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Re: Smoky Creek Question
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2010, 05:17:17 PM »
looking at the map i'd say that was the same pour off. it was the only large pour off along the smokey creek trail I came across on the route i took

and if i'm following the way you went, i went that same way (down to the spring near pt 4320). the trail was just a few hundred yards further down the trail, most likely would have been much easier to follow. it looked like brutal cross country hiking  :eusa_whistle:

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Re: Smoky Creek Question
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2010, 06:40:29 PM »
I'm with Jeff, I don't remember the big pouroff looking that way.

Viper, you came down the "left" (or westerm) arm of the Smoky Creek drainage from the Dodson instead of taking the trail, which goes down the right (or eastern) arm of the Smoky Creek drainage. The pouroff that is on along the trail is as Jeff described, maybe a mile back up the wash from pt 4230. The pouroff in the picture that you took could be in the drainage past where the west and east arms of the drainage converge as I remember and is not that difficult to come down.

Now keep in mind that Jeff's pouroff is no where as difficult as the one that you had to come around in the upper portion of your wash. There are a few cairns that mark a deer path that go around it to the right but you don't climb up nearly as high as the other one.

So if you went down the western arm of the drainage where did you go after you joined the trail past pt 4230?

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Re: Smoky Creek Question
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2010, 11:37:05 PM »
I'm with Jeff, I don't remember the big pouroff looking that way.

Viper, you came down the "left" (or westerm) arm of the Smoky Creek drainage from the Dodson instead of taking the trail, which goes down the right (or eastern) arm of the Smoky Creek drainage. The pouroff that is on along the trail is as Jeff described, maybe a mile back up the wash from pt 4230. The pouroff in the picture that you took could be in the drainage past where the west and east arms of the drainage converge as I remember and is not that difficult to come down.

Now keep in mind that Jeff's pouroff is no where as difficult as the one that you had to come around in the upper portion of your wash. There are a few cairns that mark a deer path that go around it to the right but you don't climb up nearly as high as the other one.

So if you went down the western arm of the drainage where did you go after you joined the trail past pt 4230?

I don't know if this helps, but there are no pouroffs between 4230' and the main trail.
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Re: Smoky Creek Question
« Reply #37 on: January 28, 2010, 03:31:29 AM »
i'll make a topo tomorrow, hopefully clear up my end of things  :eusa_doh:

i kind of enjoy this place being obscure and difficult to unravel, it's nice to have a place that's still very off the beaten path

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Re: Smoky Creek Question
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2010, 06:08:41 PM »
Alright, here is the route I took on my 3 day hike. The red line is 1st day in from Homer Wilson, down to base camp at the red dot. The blue line is the day hike on the second morning, the gree line is out back to homer wilson on day 3. The blue dots are springs with water running a distance past the spring itself. Yellow dots are small springs that immediately go under gravel. The green dot is the pour off I pictured for Jeff.

pictures of the springs, if I took one

first blue dot on the western fork of Smokey Creek, at the pouroff blocking that branch.



second blue dot, just above camp. the water here ran past the 4th blue dot



3rd blue dot



don't have one of the 4th blue dot

first yellow dot moving south on smokey creek



southern blue dot in drainage east of Smokey Creek, the drainage the trail follows to the east of Sugarloaf mountain



don't have a picture of the other blue dot in that drainage
« Last Edit: January 29, 2010, 10:23:49 PM by RichardM »

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Re: Smoky Creek Question
« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2010, 10:30:22 PM »
The red dot on the map below is where I took the photo. Definitely the same pour-off.

Guess it's another confirmation of an important lesson in the desert. Things look completely different when viewed from another angle.

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