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Tornillo Creek / Banta Shut-In question

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Offline trtlrock

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Tornillo Creek / Banta Shut-In question
« on: November 26, 2006, 12:30:18 PM »
Hi.  We're planning a circumference-of-the-Chisos hike.  I know this may be a dumb question, but can one hike thru the entire Banta Shut-In / Tornillo Creek (from Big Yellow Arroyo S thru to Dugout Draw) without getting your feet wet?  In other words, we're willing to take our boots off & wear sandals a few times for stretches no longer than 50yds or so, and when we do that shin-level water would be OK...

But if it's going to be wetter than that we'd want to choose another route instead...

Thanks, John
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Offline okiehiker

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Yes you can!
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2006, 03:27:48 PM »
You can hike through Banta Shut-in most of the time without getting your feet wet.  You will be hiking along a flowing stream for several miles upstream of the shut-in.  Most of it is over a sandy streambed but there is one section that is a beautiful rock surface with pools and little riffles and falls.  There is no place that it is hard to keep your feet dry.

At Banta itself the entrance is a little bit tricky and you may wish to hike a hundred yards or so in sandals or barefoot.  Barefoot in the wilderness is always a little questionable.  If you cut your foot you are fourteen miles back up to the Fossil Bone Exhibit or about seven miles of rougher hiking up Estufa Canyon to K-Bar.



This is Tornillo Creek about a mile upstream from Banta


Bad shot of Banta Shut-in itself
Funny... I have a story about that...

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Tornillo Creek / Banta Shut-In question
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2006, 03:59:44 PM »
How many days do you plan for your trip Trtlrock?  I'll look forward to your trip report afterward.

Okie.....great picture!   Is this a normal water level for Tornillo Creek?

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Offline trtlrock

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circumnavigating the Chisos...
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2006, 04:18:41 PM »
we're planning on 12-16 days of actual hiking.  Still waiting for my Texas Topo software to arrive to trace the actual route & see real mileage, but am thinking of something like Basin to Window to Burro Mesa to Tuff to T Abaja to Luna / Chimneys to Alamo to Indian Head to Study Butte to Slickrock to Paint Gap to Grapevine to Tornillo Flat to Black Peaks to Banta to Dugout to Juniper to NE Rim to SW Rim to Basin.

All bushwhacking, 8-10 miles a day.  All caches in advance, max of 2 days between caches, usually just 1.

We've done Marufo Vega, Rim, Mule Ears, Mesa Anguila, Ernst, Dog, E Tusk before...

thoughts?

John
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Offline Vince T

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Tornillo Creek / Banta Shut-In question
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2006, 08:37:23 PM »
Same question as Ray to Okie...is the water normally flowing like that?

Thanks,
Vince

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Offline homerboy2u

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Tornillo Creek / Banta Shut-In question
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2006, 09:02:29 PM »
Whata great shot you got there...Okeihiker...far out , man !!!
Stay thirsty, my friends.

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Offline okiehiker

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Tornillo water
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2006, 09:49:42 PM »
Tornillo Creek is one of the two most reliable water sources in the park.

From the springs above the confluence with Big Yellow Arroyo to Banta Shut-in there is always flowing water for most of the distance.  

That particular pic was taken December 31, 2004.  It was a better than average flow, but not extraordinary.  

Here are a few more Tornillo/Banta pics.


Banta Shut-in


Tornillo 2 miles above Banta


You will see a LOT of this!


Flow over sand
Funny... I have a story about that...

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Offline okiehiker

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Personal preference
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2006, 10:12:04 PM »
From Banta turn west up Estufa Canyon, angle just north of a low ridge with two summits, the north one being 3,562, then head almost due SW to Rock Spring.

From Rock Spring you can head up into Pine Canyon to the pour-off.  I love the hike up to the left of the falls and then cross-country up to the end of the Lost Mine Trail and out at Panther Pass.
Funny... I have a story about that...

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Offline colorado

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Tornillo Creek / Banta Shut-In question
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2006, 11:43:05 PM »
i have to second the pine canyon section. i too love the hike from pine canyon trailhead, left of pouroff up to lost mine trail. the trip is also enjoyable and a little easier the other way. you can hike lost mine trail up and over into pine canyon. in years past, there was lots of bear sign above the pouroff. just thinking about "gods country" make me want to head that way.

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Offline Casa Grande

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Tornillo Creek / Banta Shut-In question
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2006, 08:10:15 AM »
I was there in April of 2005 (not a good time for water) and there were fairly large pools of water, but nothing flowing substantially.  There was a small trickle here and there.

Banta Shut-In

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Offline Robert

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Re: Personal preference
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2006, 05:46:18 PM »
Quote from: "okiehiker"
Head almost due SW to Rock Spring.  From Rock Spring you can head up into Pine Canyon to the pour-off.


I seen the old road that leads to Rock Spring (on the topo map) for years and thought about checking it out. Is there normally water there? Are there any ruins nearby?

Thanks

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Offline okiehiker

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Water at Rock Spring
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2006, 06:45:30 PM »
There has been water the two times that I have camped there.  However, as I recall, it didn't strike me as a place I would go if I absolutely needed water.  This is probably  a good year to find water there.  

Both times I camped there it was at the end of very long trips (11 and 13 days), and it was a long hike from Banta Shut-in.  We got there at dark and headed out early to do the Pine Canyon hike.

We did not look for any ruins, so I am sorry I don't know.  :oops:
Funny... I have a story about that...

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Offline Robert

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Tornillo Creek / Banta Shut-In question
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2006, 09:10:56 AM »
Thanks, that's good information. I'd never seen anyone mention going there so any information is better than nothing. I'm always interested in the old ranch roads in the park, some of which are not on the maps.

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Offline betteroutside

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Tornillo Creek / Banta Shut-In question
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2006, 02:23:26 PM »
I was at Rock Spring on 11-14-06 and there was water flowing then. No "road" up to the spring....just go up Dugout wash until you get there. Didn't see any ruins but that doesn't mean there are none!

 


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