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Any spots along the trails to South rim with exposed areas?

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Offline dkerr24

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Any spots along the trails to South rim with exposed areas?
« on: December 06, 2007, 04:23:55 PM »
I'm going for my first trip to BBNP in late Feb '08.  Are there any exposed sections on the Pinnacles trail or Laguna Meadow trail that I should be wary of?  Here's a section of the Nankoweap trail (Grand Canyon) which would definitely turn me back:



If one were to slide off that sloped section, the next flat spot would be several hundred feet below *gulp*.
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Re: Any spots along the trails to South rim with exposed areas?
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2007, 04:31:57 PM »
Nope, the only exposed stuff is the last scramble to the top of Emory Peak, and that's avoidable with a slightly more difficult climb.  As best I recall, the Boot Canyon Trail to the South Rim has a few spots where if you were to stumble you might fall/slide 20 feet or so down to the creek, but nothing remotely close to what's in your pic.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2007, 04:33:28 PM by RichardM »

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Re: Any spots along the trails to South rim with exposed areas?
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2007, 04:40:55 PM »
That's good to hear... while I do enjoy desert/mountain backpacking, the 'pucker' factor keeps me away from the really rugged trails.   :azn:

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Re: Any spots along the trails to South rim with exposed areas?
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2007, 07:21:55 PM »
I'm going for my first trip to BBNP in late Feb '08.  Are there any exposed sections on the Pinnacles trail or Laguna Meadow trail that I should be wary of?  Here's a section of the Nankoweap trail (Grand Canyon) which would definitely turn me back:



If one were to slide off that sloped section, the next flat spot would be several hundred feet below *gulp*.

Great! A mountain without a handrail and a marked contrast to a few thousand feet higher where handrails attempt to protect the stupid from themselves (and not at all completely) while intruding on the rest of us.

This picture aptly illustrates the saying 'if you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room'.
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Wendell (Garret Dillahunt): It's a mess, ain't it, sheriff?
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Re: Any spots along the trails to South rim with exposed areas?
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2007, 08:32:18 PM »
Fortunately, not that many of the Grand Canyon overlooks have handrails.  :)

The last 1/4 mile of the Clear Creek trail descending into Clear Creek itself was enough pucker factor for me.  :)

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Re: Any spots along the trails to South rim with exposed areas?
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2007, 12:17:46 AM »
I've never felt so close to death as hiking in the Grand Canyon.

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Re: Any spots along the trails to South rim with exposed areas?
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2007, 10:42:27 AM »
I've never felt so close to death as hiking in the Grand Canyon.

It was exhilarating though, wasn't it?
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Re: Any spots along the trails to South rim with exposed areas?
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2007, 05:08:48 PM »
exposed areas?  on the trail?

is buck still around anywhere? :eusa_whistle:

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Re: Any spots along the trails to South rim with exposed areas?
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2007, 05:22:54 PM »
I've never felt so close to death as hiking in the Grand Canyon.

A have a good friend whose brother is a ranger at Grand Canyon. He told me of the book "Over the Edge: Death in Grand Canyon".  Talks about the accidents that many have experienced there by getting too close to the edge.


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Re: Any spots along the trails to South rim with exposed areas?
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2007, 05:45:41 PM »
I've read that book. It recounts many of the ways people have died at the canyon and not just by falling over the edge.  It's a good read.

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Re: Any spots along the trails to South rim with exposed areas?
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2007, 05:48:50 PM »
Of the more than 600 documented deaths in 140 years of recorded history only 50 are the result of falls.  Most of those we people on the rim who did things like back up one more step to get a photograph.  I read "Over the Edge" and as far as I can recall not one of the falls involved someone falling off the trail while hiking.  Interestingly, there also are no children who have ever fallen off a cliff in the park. (with the notable exception of a family that left the kids in a car and forgot to put it in "park"...)

We socialize people into fear.  Accidents do happen, and respectful caution in difficult areas is essential, but on the trails in BIBE there are no particularly exposed areas.  Dehydration, hypothermia and remaining oriented in the backcountry are the most important issues for BIBE hikers.
Funny... I have a story about that...

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Re: Any spots along the trails to South rim with exposed areas?
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2007, 07:26:09 PM »
Of the more than 600 documented deaths in 140 years of recorded history only 50 are the result of falls.

And a few of those were 'pushed', with the claim the victim fell accidentally once the investigation was underway.
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Re: Any spots along the trails to South rim with exposed areas?
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2007, 09:53:42 PM »
Of the more than 600 documented deaths in 140 years of recorded history only 50 are the result of falls.  Most of those we people on the rim who did things like back up one more step to get a photograph.  I read "Over the Edge" and as far as I can recall not one of the falls involved someone falling off the trail while hiking.  Interestingly, there also are no children who have ever fallen off a cliff in the park. (with the notable exception of a family that left the kids in a car and forgot to put it in "park"...)
Well, there may not have been any listed in the book, but a 4 year old girl recently fell to her death:
http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/211663

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Re: Any spots along the trails to South rim with exposed areas?
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2007, 09:54:44 PM »
'Over the Edge' was definitely a good read, and almost all of the hiker/backpacker stories were from people not prepared for the extremes in the Canyon, and then getting dehydrated, then disoriented.  Amazing some of the things the victims would try in order to reach the river.  Things like thinking they could survive a 50 foot leap down a pouroff...  :eusa_eh:
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Re: Any spots along the trails to South rim with exposed areas?
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2007, 02:02:17 PM »
Sometimes it is a case of the natural thining of the herd. :eusa_boohoo:
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