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Big Bend National Park Q&A => Hiking the Mountains => Topic started by: badknees on December 26, 2007, 04:45:54 PM

Title: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: badknees on December 26, 2007, 04:45:54 PM
Anybody know if either of the springs are flowing. It has been awful dry lately, even though a wet year.
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: mule ears on December 26, 2007, 06:00:31 PM
It has been awful dry lately, even though a wet year.

With the year only a few days from being over and no rain in the forecast the official rainfall for the year at PJ is 15.11 inches.  The yearly average for PJ is 15.34 inches, so it has turned considerably dry in the last quarter of the year and will end up below normal (more or less).
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: badknees on December 26, 2007, 07:14:37 PM
It has been awful dry lately, even though a wet year.

With the year only a few days from being over and no rain in the forecast the official rainfall for the year at PJ is 15.11 inches.  The yearly average for PJ is 15.34 inches, so it has turned considerably dry in the last quarter of the year and will end up below normal (more or less).

Well....my original question was about Boot and Upper Juniper Springs. Since the water that feeds these springs comes from high Chisos rainfall (and snow), I believe the Basin precip amounts would be a more appropriate, or closer measure for thse springs. Average annual precipitation for the Basin  is 17.95". Current accumulated is 23.65" which is about 32% higher than the average precip.  I believe this can be considered a wet year for the Basin, as is any with totals over 20".

On the flip side, the average precip for Panther juction is 15.34" and this year only 15.1" has been recorded, and as you correctly state, PJ will probably come in below average.



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The Chisos Mountains Basin, located in the center of Big Bend National Park, has received over twenty inches of rainfall for the calendar year. This is the second time since 1992, and the first since 2003, that rainfall in the Chisos Basin has eclipsed the twenty-inch mark.


All that said........does anyone know if Boot and Upper Juniper are pushing any water?
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: dubeaux on December 27, 2007, 03:34:02 AM
I was there one month ago, Thanksgiving.  Abundant water at Boot Spring.  The flow from the pipe was only a trickle (15 minutes to fill a liter), but pools existed up and down from it.  Further up Boot Canyon 500 to 1000 meters (i.e., SW, towards the South Rim) there were some some large, bathtub to small pond sized, pools in the rock, below the trail.  The day we hiked out of the Chisos there was steady, heavy rain, sleet and eventually snow, which added to what we saw.  I didn't see Upper Juniper but, after a wet year like this, I predict it has water also.
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: trtlrock on December 31, 2007, 03:11:53 AM
On 12/13 & 12/14 there was a lot of water in the tinajas in middle to upper Boot Canyon
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: dkerr24 on January 28, 2008, 03:56:43 PM
Anyone been up there since 12/14/07?  What's the water situation now?
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: sleepy on January 28, 2008, 07:27:22 PM
didn't David say no water at Boot Canyon pipe in his OMG trip report?
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: dkerr24 on January 28, 2008, 08:41:22 PM
Sorry, guess I missed reading David's report.  Can someone post a link to it?  I'm probably looking right at it, but can't see it.
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: badknees on January 28, 2008, 08:42:14 PM
didn't David say no water at Boot Canyon pipe in his OMG trip report?

I believe you are correct. I think he also said there wasn't any water in the canyon above the spring.
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: JimNewOrleans on January 28, 2008, 09:24:34 PM
I can't find it either right now, but I think his exact words were.... "dry as a bone"  -  the pipe,the pools, everything  - damn   
I've always been an iodine, add-more-crystal-flavoring-or-turn-it-into-coffee,  crunchy water minimalist  but just bought an expensive (to me) msr filter and was hoping to use it there soon - any chance of 2" rain next few days?  ha
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: RichardM on January 28, 2008, 09:25:37 PM
Sorry, guess I missed reading David's report.  Can someone post a link to it?  I'm probably looking right at it, but can't see it.
http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/your-trip-reports/the-omg-trip-aka-the-oml-jan-14-2008-t5136.0.html
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: mule ears on January 29, 2008, 06:39:40 AM
He did say Boot Spring was dry as a bone.  I still find it hard to believe that there is no water in the big tinajas up stream above the Juniper canyon trail jct.  There has been everytime I have been there.  It did rain a bit this week in the park.
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: Casa Grande on January 29, 2008, 06:54:17 AM
yes, no water to be found anywhere in the area...although I can't confirm or deny anything, Upper Juniper is supposed to be pretty wet.
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: Robert on January 29, 2008, 08:57:43 AM
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I still find it hard to believe that there is no water in the big tinajas up stream above the Juniper canyon trail jct.

I was thinking the same thing. David, how far did you go up Boot Canyon past the trail junction did you look?
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: Boot Canyon 1 Cougar on January 29, 2008, 11:45:35 AM
On the 1/19, there was some very grungy water in Boot Canyon, as you progress toward the South Rim from the red cabin.

There was not very much of it, but there is some there.  It is periodically scattered is the rock canyon bottom along the way.

I would only want to drink it as a last resort.  It might even be crunchy.  And it may be best to leave it for wildlife, except in an emergency.

Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: dkerr24 on January 29, 2008, 08:07:21 PM
On the 1/19, there was some very grungy water in Boot Canyon, as you progress toward the South Rim from the red cabin.

There was not very much of it, but there is some there.  It is periodically scattered is the rock canyon bottom along the way.

I would only want to drink it as a last resort.  It might even be crunchy.  And it may be best to leave it for wildlife, except in an emergency.



hmmm... is this like dehydrated water?  :)
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: TheWildWestGuy on January 30, 2008, 07:32:11 PM
When it hasn't rained hard in a long time the tinajas get stagnant and mat over with algae.  It looks worse than it really is and you can still filter and drink it,  but even after filtering the water will still have a distinct greenish color to it.   Don't let that scare you though I have drank filtered greenish water several times and never had any problems... TWWG
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: dkerr24 on January 30, 2008, 08:06:03 PM
Sounds like my water filter will get a real workout down there.  Last time I used the filter, I was filtering water from Clear Creek in the Grand Canyon.  The water straight out of the creek looked as clear as tap water. 
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: RichardM on January 30, 2008, 08:12:22 PM
Sounds like my water filter will get a real workout down there.  Last time I used the filter, I was filtering water from Clear Creek in the Grand Canyon.  The water straight out of the creek looked as clear as tap water. 
Bring along a coffee filter to screen out the chunky stuff and most of the "floaties" before running it through your filter.
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: dkerr24 on January 31, 2008, 09:08:01 AM
Bring along a coffee filter to screen out the chunky stuff and most of the "floaties" before running it through your filter.

Thanks for the tip... I've added that to my packing list.  Not much longer now...  I'm headed down there on 02/09.
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: JimNewOrleans on January 31, 2008, 09:36:01 AM
well, I am headed over there tomorrow (from new orleans, so actually probably in park Saturday a.m. ...) but will try to remember to let you know how it is/was upon myreturn...
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: Boot Canyon 1 Cougar on February 01, 2008, 02:42:42 PM


hmmm... is this like dehydrated water?  :)


Perhaps Snap, Crackle, Squish.

WWG, thanks for the practical comments. 

Are you aware of anything potentially harmful in that kind of water that would not be removed by a MIOX or high powered purification tablets or a high powered filter?

I typically pour water to be treated through a MSR Mugmate mesh screen to filter out particulate matter, and then treat the water with the MIOX concoction.

While the MIOX can be a bit finicky at times to operate (i.e. fiddle with it and have some patience), eventually it works, and I've never become ill from MIOX treated water.

Then again, I've never consumed any water like that in Boot Canyon a few weeks ago.

I suppose I have a new "To Do" for my list--treat and consume some skanky water for the sake of my education.
Title: Re: Boot Spring/U Juniper Spring
Post by: presidio on February 01, 2008, 04:07:54 PM
the chunky stuff and most of the "floaties"

Now there's an image you probably don't want to spend a lot of time pondering.