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Casa Grande cave?

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Offline ds9writer

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Casa Grande cave?
« on: December 04, 2014, 10:56:30 AM »
Was looking over my newly-downloaded topo map of the Basin and noticed a cave marking on the back side of Casa Grande...

Had never heard nor seen this before -- anyone know anything about it?  Too inaccessible (I see 3 topo lines converging just under it, so that tells me it's at least a 120' cliff)?  Prohibited (falcon nesting area)?  Caved in (though it's not that old of a map - 1997)?

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Re: Casa Grande cave?
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2014, 11:53:01 AM »
Know about a few people who have seen it.   Pretty cool from what I hear.  I have rough directions of its location.  Adding anymore info  would likely result in black helicopters flying over my house.

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Re: Casa Grande cave?
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2014, 02:10:45 PM »
Appropriate that Casa Grande is the first one who answers the Casa Grande question   :icon_lol:

Do your "rough directions" indicate that it might be accessible, or is it just something to look at from afar (i.e. the bottom of the cliff)?
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Re: Casa Grande cave?
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2014, 02:52:02 PM »
Yes,  they say it is.

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Re: Casa Grande cave?
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2015, 07:07:02 PM »
I have been to this cave multiple times.  There is actually a trail all the way there, or there was a decade ago.  It is a VERY dangerous area...very cliffy, tons of scree.  The cave itself is pretty impressive...massiv e entrance, but completely collapsed on the inside.  Buried in scree that will begin sliding in large masses out through the entrance and down to a cliff that would be fatal if you plunged over it.  I'm an experienced caver, and will say it was the most dangerous place I've probably ever been, other than an active lava field.  If you choose to explore it, descend only to the sinkhole and view it from above.  And make sure you're hiking in a season when Casa Grande is open to hiking.

To find it, follow the instructions for summitting Casa Grande, easily found here.  When you reach a high shoulder well above the LMT on the use-trail, you'll have a high rock tower to your left, and Casa Grande peak above and behind you to your right.  This is one of the most prominent spots on the entire route to the summit, with sweeping views down Juniper Canyon into the desert.  A dim use trail heads down the slope onto the south side of Casa Grande.  Follow it and it will lead you directly to the rim of the sinkhole.  This is the only safe approach.  I STRONGLY recommend you only don't descend into the cave or to the entrance.  You can view the ENTIRE cave from the rim of the sinkhole.
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Re: Casa Grande cave?
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2015, 07:13:28 PM »
That spot youbdescribebwith the trail leading off is one of my favorite places to picnic in the park

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Re: Casa Grande cave?
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2015, 08:50:55 PM »
Nice instructions Ben. For the record, Casa Grande hasn't been closed for falcon breeding in years.

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Re: Casa Grande cave?
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2015, 08:59:26 AM »
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I'm an experienced caver, and will say it was the most dangerous place I've probably ever been, other than an active lava field.

I am not an experienced caver, and about 20 years past the physical prowess needed to attempt this... thanks for the info - think we'll just head straight up to the peak   :icon_eek:
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Re: Casa Grande cave?
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2015, 09:42:00 AM »
From what I saw from above it now more resembles an arch than a cave. The footing is loose and treacherous so I wouldn't attempt even looking at it from the top without some trekking poles. Some day I hope to go see it from the bottom front. Maybe.

The photo below is from above looking down through (the no longer there, and long gone roof) and out of the front of the "cave".



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That spot youbdescribebwith the trail leading off is one of my favorite places to picnic in the park

A wonderful place to picnic. A destination in itself if you haven't been there and don't feel like going all the way up CG. I's also a good spot to examine and then take off to go exploring the false summit (on purpose for a change) after eating.
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Re: Casa Grande cave?
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2015, 09:55:10 AM »
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The photo below is from above looking down through (the no longer there, and long gone roof) and out of the front of the "cave".

Ok, now you're making me want to check it out!  Nice pic - maybe we'll at least stop for a snack at the spot...
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Re: Casa Grande cave?
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2015, 10:27:31 AM »
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The photo below is from above looking down through (the no longer there, and long gone roof) and out of the front of the "cave".

Ok, now you're making me want to check it out!  Nice pic - maybe we'll at least stop for a snack at the spot...

Just to be clear, these are two different spots. The picnic spot is easy to get to first, then from there you would hike carefully a ways southwest to get to the top of the "cave" arch. I have a pano from the suggested picnic area somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.
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Re: Casa Grande cave?
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2015, 11:27:43 AM »
Here's a pic at the picnic spot:


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Re: Casa Grande cave?
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2015, 11:31:24 AM »
And here, on a different trip, you can see the trail leading off S from the picnic place.  I THINK this is what you are talking about?


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Re: Casa Grande cave?
« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2015, 11:47:12 AM »
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Just to be clear, these are two different spots. The picnic spot is easy to get to first, then from there you would hike carefully a ways southwest to get to the top of the "cave" arch.

Ah, ok - got it!  Many thanks!  We'll definitely explore all we can on our trek up CG!
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Re: Casa Grande cave?
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2015, 12:14:57 PM »
I have a pano from the suggested picnic area somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.

Well I found it, lens flairs and all. Turns out I took this southwest of the picnic spot and I didn't have a cute model in my shot like Steely did, so I labeled it to add some interest.
click to enlarge,and click again for full size:
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