Friends of Big Bend National Park
Big Bend Conservancy

Over-estimating your experience or under-estimating the terrain in a place like Big Bend can result in serious injury or death. Use the information and advice found here wisely. Climb/Hike/Camp/Drive at your own risk.

+-Calendar for sale

 2019 BigBendChat Calendar on sale now!


Cliffs in Big Bend

  • 17 Replies
  • 13225 Views
*

Offline tornados_blow

  • Roadrunner
  • *
  • 55
Cliffs in Big Bend
« on: November 03, 2007, 09:46:54 AM »
This may have been asked previously, but I was just wondering if anyone has accurate knowledge of this question.

What is the tallest vertical cliff in the Chisos?  South Rim?  Casa Grande?  Townsend point?  The key being vertical.

This question comes up, because my buddy and I were recently sitting on the SW Rim and dropped a rock off and timed it.  We came up with about 4 seconds.  This equates to about a 260 foot vertical cliff.  I would have thought it was higher.

So what is the height of casa grande's vertical cliff?  Where is the highest vertical cliff on the rim?

« Last Edit: November 03, 2007, 09:48:33 AM by tornados_blow »

*

Offline Sanjuro82

  • Samurai Hiker
  • Diamondback
  • *
  • 368
  • Samurai Hiker
    • http://www.bigbendchat.com/
Re: Cliffs in Big Bend
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2007, 11:17:06 PM »
If you are talking about a pure vertical cliff then that would be the main Cattail Canyon pour-off.

If you are talking about elevation that that would probably be on of the cliff off the South Rim.  But those aren't pure vertical, they are more of a very steep slope to the desert floor.

*

Offline chuckt

  • Kangaroo Rat
  • *
  • 12
Re: Cliffs in Big Bend
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2007, 07:48:52 AM »
If you are talking about a pure vertical cliff then that would be the main Cattail Canyon pour-off.

Does that include some of the vertical faces found in the river canyons, like Santa Elena?

*

Offline 01ACRViper

  • Mountain Lion
  • *
  • 1173
    • GRB Photography
Re: Cliffs in Big Bend
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2007, 11:16:55 AM »
yeah, from the rim Mariscal looks quite deep

*

Offline Sanjuro82

  • Samurai Hiker
  • Diamondback
  • *
  • 368
  • Samurai Hiker
    • http://www.bigbendchat.com/
Re: Cliffs in Big Bend
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2007, 11:58:34 AM »
I believe he was focusing on the Chisos area, not the entire park.

*

Offline tornados_blow

  • Roadrunner
  • *
  • 55
Re: Cliffs in Big Bend
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2007, 01:22:12 PM »
Well I know that Santa Elena Canyon is 1500 feet deep and I believe that would be the highest vertical cliff in the park.  I was wondering about the Chisos.  I also realize that the rim sits 2000 feet and more above the desert below.  I was just wondering about the pure vertical part of it.  I guess the only way to really know the height is to take a stop watch up there and do some timing of rocks.  We timed a rock on the SW rim, but not with a stopwatch.  Came to about 4 seconds, which equates to a distance of 260 to 300 feet before the rock hit something.

I just thought that someone on here may know already.  Like how high are the Casa Grande cliffs over looking the Basin?  We were guessing 600 to 700 foot.  I know it sits about 2000 foot total above the lodge, but much of that is a talus slope.

When I am out traveling in the world, I find myself wondering about stats.  How high is that mountain?  How far are we from that peak?  How high is that cliff?  How long will it take to walk there?  I like numbers and stats and if there is a way to figure things out then I try to do it.  Must be the math teacher in me.

*

Offline Sanjuro82

  • Samurai Hiker
  • Diamondback
  • *
  • 368
  • Samurai Hiker
    • http://www.bigbendchat.com/
Re: Cliffs in Big Bend
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2007, 02:15:33 PM »
Here are some shots of the Cattail Pour-off






*

Offline 01ACRViper

  • Mountain Lion
  • *
  • 1173
    • GRB Photography
Re: Cliffs in Big Bend
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2007, 02:41:01 PM »
I believe he was focusing on the Chisos area, not the entire park.

haha very good point :lol:

*

SHANEA

  • Guest
Re: Cliffs in Big Bend
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2007, 02:55:36 PM »
Should be able to easily figure it out with MapSource, DeLorme, etc.  - any good mapping/topo program.

*

Offline badknees

  • Actually, I was there once
  • Mountain Lion
  • *
  • 4394
  • I think I know that place
    • Through the Mirror
Re: Cliffs in Big Bend
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2007, 03:57:25 PM »
I gave it a quick look see in MAPSOURCE and:

Cattail has some pretty big drops, 600' vertical vs 115' horizontal -79 degs Location N29.27134 W103.32926

Casa Grande has a vertical drop vs horizontal displacement of 500' in 90'. That is about 80 degs. Location is on the West side of Casa Grande at N29.26716 W103.28992

There are some good 400 footers inside Maple Canyon and not visible from the Basin road. Located at N29.29451 W103.28729 - Vertical 400', horizontal 44' = 83 degs.




« Last Edit: November 04, 2007, 04:11:05 PM by badknees »
Not all those who wander are lost.
J.R.R. Tolkien

Through the Mirror
http://mirrormagic.com

*

Offline fartymarty

  • Golden Eagle
  • Mountain Lion
  • *
  • 1153
  • Lovin' BiBe for 50 years.
Re: Cliffs in Big Bend
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2007, 04:21:12 PM »
Just by eyeballing, I always thought that Pulliam Bluff was the tallest vertical drop in the Chisos
but when I look at a topo map the most I can get is 400 feet. I must be doing something wrong because
it sure looks higher than that to me. It's impressive to me regardless of the actual numbers.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fort Worth

*

Offline tornados_blow

  • Roadrunner
  • *
  • 55
Re: Cliffs in Big Bend
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2007, 05:03:17 PM »
Mapping programs only seem useful to a point, but the drops that you have found on mapsource sound about right.  I forgot about Pulliam Bluff.  That thing is huge.  I don't know how vertical it is, but seems like it should be the highest.  Maybe it isn't totally vertical though.  I think I have really only looked at it from head on while driving up the road. 

Is climbing Pulliam possible?  I don't mean from the cliff side.  Anybody here ever stood on it and can tell us how vertical the cliff face is?

*

Offline badknees

  • Actually, I was there once
  • Mountain Lion
  • *
  • 4394
  • I think I know that place
    • Through the Mirror
Re: Cliffs in Big Bend
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2007, 05:17:47 PM »
Just by eyeballing, I always thought that Pulliam Bluff was the tallest vertical drop in the Chisos
but when I look at a topo map the most I can get is 400 feet. I must be doing something wrong because
it sure looks higher than that to me. It's impressive to me regardless of the actual numbers.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I checked out the cliff you marked on the east side of Pulliam and it measures out V- 700', H - 154'...About 77 degs, that indeed is a big one!

The west cliff you marked is about 420' v and 63 ' h = about 81 degs


There is some subjectivity to my measurements, but I kind of tried to cutoff at about 80 degrees
Not all those who wander are lost.
J.R.R. Tolkien

Through the Mirror
http://mirrormagic.com

*

Offline Sanjuro82

  • Samurai Hiker
  • Diamondback
  • *
  • 368
  • Samurai Hiker
    • http://www.bigbendchat.com/
Re: Cliffs in Big Bend
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2007, 05:35:51 PM »
Wow very interesting badknees!  Sound like one of the cliffs off of Pulliam is the highest in the Chisos.  Second would be Cattail, and third probably Casa Grande.


What about off the rim?

*

Offline badknees

  • Actually, I was there once
  • Mountain Lion
  • *
  • 4394
  • I think I know that place
    • Through the Mirror
Re: Cliffs in Big Bend
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2007, 07:55:37 PM »
Wow very interesting badknees!  Sound like one of the cliffs off of Pulliam is the highest in the Chisos.  Second would be Cattail, and third probably Casa Grande.


What about off the rim?

I found one spot off the Rim not too far SE 3 that looks like 740' at 75 degrees. It is below the Rim and would not be easy to see unless you we on the Dodson Trail 2 miles to the south

« Last Edit: December 14, 2009, 11:52:14 AM by RichardM »
Not all those who wander are lost.
J.R.R. Tolkien

Through the Mirror
http://mirrormagic.com

 


©COPYRIGHT NOTICE

All photographs and content posted by members are to be considered copyrighted by their respective owners and may not be used for any purposes, commercial or otherwise, without permission.

+-Calendar For Sale

 2019 BigBendChat Calendar on sale now!

Powered by EzPortal

Facebook Comments