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Cutting switchbacks on Lost Mine trail?

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Offline sideoats

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Cutting switchbacks on Lost Mine trail?
« on: August 23, 2016, 04:20:43 PM »
Howdy all!

This is my first post here -- will be posting happier things from our trip last week soon, but just had to get this off my chest first -- what do you say to people cutting switchbacks on the Lost Mine trail?

Every time I've hiked the trail there have been idiots cutting switchbacks and it makes my blood boil!  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

In 2014 I caught some teenaged punk at it and yelled at him something fierce -- something like "can't you read the signs??? Stay on the trail"! The husband thought I was too harsh lol!!!

Then this last Sunday there were 2 guys decked out in camo doing it. I was so furious but I didn't know what to say! What would get through their heads? I muttered something like I see what you're doing there -- and they muttered something about oh we didn't think we'd get caught -- so they knew what they were doing was wrong.

For your reference, I'm a 40-something female...I'm usually pretty easygoing but it kills me watching people do this!

I want to be prepared next time! What if I yelled "only losers cut switchbacks!!!"

I think it has to be something short and sweet -- and kid friendly since there are usually a few young ones on the trail -- and yet it has to make them cut it out! (pun intended lol)

Anyhow, what do you all think? Thanks for listening!  :icon_redface:

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Offline dprather

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Re: Cutting switchbacks on Lost Mine trail?
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2016, 04:37:38 PM »
Like imposing civilization, morals, and manners upon unruly WalMart shoppers, imposing outdoor etiquette upon trail infidels is problematic. 

Does one stoop the the level of the heathens one wishes to correct by becoming loud and confrontational, or does one rise above their indiscretion and pretend as if they are not there? 

Another option is the cold stare (something that you, a forty-something female, have surely mastered), but Miss Manners doubts that cammomen would even notice. 

Better to continue with your enjoyment of the wilderness untroubled - living well is the best revenge. 

Count on Karma.  Corner cutters are famous for their face-first headers.
Leave "quit" at the car.  Embrace the trail as your friend.  Expect to enjoy yourself, and to be amazed.

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Offline sideoats

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Re: Cutting switchbacks on Lost Mine trail?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2016, 04:58:21 PM »
Thanks so much dpanther -- I like your quote "Better to continue with your enjoyment of the wilderness untroubled - living well is the best revenge. "

And totally agree about imposing etiquette being problematic.

Oh and you're right -- I think I've got that stare down lol!!!

I guess it just feels like I should be doing something more...but I guess the something I should be doing is letting it go. I bet Camo Guys haven't been thinking about it at all, so why should it still be bothering me? But it is! argh.

Maybe another hike will solve it  :icon_smile:

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Re: Cutting switchbacks on Lost Mine trail?
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2016, 05:11:19 PM »
Alternatively, you could put on your ranger hat when you see n00bs doing stupid stuff like that, and calmly educate them on trail etiquette (and the reasons for it). Some will respond positively and some will blow you off, but if you keep just one person from busting up the trails by way of common sense, then you've helped preserve them for us all.
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Re: Cutting switchbacks on Lost Mine trail?
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2016, 05:30:51 PM »
Ummmm.... What could someone have been said to me that would make me think introspectively about the bigger picture when I was 20 something?

Not a dang thing!

Can't fix stupid. 
 
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Re: Cutting switchbacks on Lost Mine trail?
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2016, 05:51:39 PM »
While true (I have a 17 year old who used to be extremely thoughtful and intelligent), It's worth a shot. Better than getting your panties in a knot over something you might have an opporunity to correct.

Yet another approach might be trip lines.....Just string some 20lb test fishing line ankle-high over the cutoffs. Then sit back and take pics of the aftermath. :D
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Re: Cutting switchbacks on Lost Mine trail?
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2016, 05:53:10 PM »
Humiliation and degradation, with a smile.


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Offline sideoats

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Re: Cutting switchbacks on Lost Mine trail?
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2016, 07:40:34 PM »
Yet another approach might be trip lines.....Just string some 20lb test fishing line ankle-high over the cutoffs. Then sit back and take pics of the aftermath. :D

I LOVE IT!!!  :icon_smile:

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Offline Hang10er

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Re: Cutting switchbacks on Lost Mine trail?
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2016, 06:35:08 AM »
I agree with Rocketman, the best you can do is to calmly educate them about the rules and the reason why.  Yelling at them just gives them a reason to yell back and ignore the real topic. 

You won't reach all of them but I'd think you would reach more than you expect. 

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Offline mr.bean5150

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Re: Cutting switchbacks on Lost Mine trail?
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2016, 09:54:12 AM »
Take pictures, post and tell 'em your going to do it.....
"Do or Do Not, There Is No Try"
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Offline dkerr24

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Re: Cutting switchbacks on Lost Mine trail?
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2016, 10:04:51 AM »
Perhaps try some logic/reason. Politely explain to the hiker that short-cutting the switchbacks increases the chance of erosion. Trail erosion repairs cost the US Taxpayers more money which could be used for better purposes. This is money out of all of our pockets.

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Re: Cutting switchbacks on Lost Mine trail?
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2016, 01:22:33 PM »
Perhaps try some logic/reason. Politely explain to the hiker that short-cutting the switchbacks increases the chance of erosion. Trail erosion repairs cost the US Taxpayers more money which could be used for better purposes. This is money out of all of our pockets.
That's a good one.

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Re: Cutting switchbacks on Lost Mine trail?
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2016, 03:38:24 PM »
Remember the gal that was "Painting" her art in some of the national parks?
Some photos with their faces on them will give them some publicity   ;)
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Offline sideoats

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Re: Cutting switchbacks on Lost Mine trail?
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2016, 05:09:12 PM »
Agree!!! That is a good one. Thanks!

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Offline fencepost200

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Re: Cutting switchbacks on Lost Mine trail?
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2016, 08:20:25 PM »
 20 somethings are 'know it alls'. I know because I was one too many years ago. I'm 47 now and realise I wasn't so smart back in my 20s. I've done some of the same stupid things as the guys you got mad at for doing.  If a 40ish year old woman started yelling at me when I was younger, it would have motivated me more to do whatever it was that the 40ish year old female was yelling at me to stop doing.  I understand your frustration, but yelling at strangers is not going to correct anything. And ultimately, isn't that what you wish to accomplish?  Correct bad behavior. Try to explain to them why you're not supposed to cut across switchbacks. They'll either change or they won't, but at least they'll be more inclined to listen to you. I tend to go deaf when I'm being yelled at.

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