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Gov. shutdown primitive camping / backcountry camping.

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Gov. shutdown primitive camping / backcountry camping.
« on: December 23, 2018, 08:53:33 AM »
BBNP website states park is open 24/7, but no permits will be issued.  What to expect on the primitive drive up sites like Croton Springs?  What would an experienced backpacker expect  in the Chisos Mountains?

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Re: Gov. shutdown primitive camping / backcountry camping.
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2018, 08:57:05 AM »
BBNP website states park is open 24/7, but no permits will be issued.  What to expect on the primitive drive up sites like Croton Springs?  What would an experienced backpacker expect  in the Chisos Mountains?

To get a citation if you don't have a permit
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Re: Gov. shutdown primitive camping / backcountry camping.
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2018, 08:59:13 AM »
If they're not issuing permits reckon they're not issuing citations?

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Re: Gov. shutdown primitive camping / backcountry camping.
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2018, 09:04:06 AM »
If they're not issuing permits reckon they're not issuing citations?

I'd bet the LE rangers will be working. Kind of like a "speed trap".
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Re: Gov. shutdown primitive camping / backcountry camping.
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2018, 09:12:15 AM »
Reckon there's always day hikes...  Basin campground will still have fcfs sites.

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Re: Gov. shutdown primitive camping / backcountry camping.
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2018, 09:16:27 AM »
OH CRAP.  My schedule accidentally opened up for a half-week in the Bend after Xmas.

You don't mean to tell me that I can get cited if I go into the backcountry????

DANGit.

Does anyone know for sure about all of this?
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Re: Gov. shutdown primitive camping / backcountry camping.
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2018, 09:26:31 AM »
OH CRAP.  My schedule accidentally opened up for a half-week in the Bend after Xmas.

You don't mean to tell me that I can get cited if I go into the backcountry????

DANGit.

Does anyone know for sure about all of this?

"Permits are required for all backcountry camping.
No additional permits will be issued during the shutdown"

"ALL PARK REGULATIONS REMAIN IN EFFECT
AND WILL BE ENFORCED."

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Re: Gov. shutdown primitive camping / backcountry camping.
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2018, 10:11:05 AM »
BBNP website states park is open 24/7, but no permits will be issued.  What to expect on the primitive drive up sites like Croton Springs?  What would an experienced backpacker expect  in the Chisos Mountains?

Take the NPS out of the equation and the answer to 'what to expect' would be simple: FREEDOM.

The slightly longer answer would include 'you have to be able to be responsible for yourself.'
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Re: Gov. shutdown primitive camping / backcountry camping.
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2018, 10:45:51 AM »
Q: If the Park is not requiring entry permits, then how can they require backcountry permits?

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Re: Gov. shutdown primitive camping / backcountry camping.
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2018, 12:09:30 PM »
Question (from logic and reason, not from federalism): what about entry fees as a parallel

They cannot say the place is open, let you in, and then zap you for not having taped-on window proof that you paid to get in (if they open again before you leave).  All you'd have to do is pay-u when they opened up. 

Wouldn't backcountry permits be the same?   If they are not open enough to give you a permit, will they be open enough to cite you for not having a permit?  Couldn't you just pay-up if they open back up before you leave?

Nobody really knows these answers, do they?
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Re: Gov. shutdown primitive camping / backcountry camping.
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2018, 01:44:54 PM »
What’s the citation and Fine amount for no permit?

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Re: Gov. shutdown primitive camping / backcountry camping.
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2018, 02:19:41 PM »
Question (from logic and reason, not from federalism): what about entry fees as a parallel

They cannot say the place is open, let you in, and then zap you for not having taped-on window proof that you paid to get in (if they open again before you leave).  All you'd have to do is pay-u when they opened up. 

Wouldn't backcountry permits be the same?   If they are not open enough to give you a permit, will they be open enough to cite you for not having a permit?  Couldn't you just pay-up if they open back up before you leave?

Nobody really knows these answers, do they?

This would be my line of reasoning too.  They have said the LE rangers and Border Patrol will still be around to "enforce" the regulations but I would not be too worried about it.
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Re: Gov. shutdown primitive camping / backcountry camping.
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2018, 03:30:49 PM »
I figure border issues vs backcountry camping would be more of a concern w/ the gov. shutdown.  Can't see LEO at the South Rim requiring you to break camp since you don't have a permit.  It's been my experience that backpackers are predominately a responsible leave no trace group.  Seriously doubt a citation would be issued even at the primitive sites. 

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Re: Gov. shutdown primitive camping / backcountry camping.
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2018, 03:42:36 PM »
I figure border issues vs backcountry camping would be more of a concern w/ the gov. shutdown.  Can't see LEO at the South Rim requiring you to break camp since you don't have a permit.  It's been my experience that backpackers are predominately a responsible leave no trace group.  Seriously doubt a citation would be issued even at the primitive sites.

I have my doubts. It will be interesting to see how it works out.
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