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High Chisos sites closed

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Offline Homer67

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Re: High Chisos sites closed
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2011, 05:31:44 PM »
Wow, I take it we were among the last to get a camping permit in the Chisos; we arrived on the 11th and got a permit for two sites.  We did not know of the closing until the 14th; we were able to camp as we had already been issued our permit.

Shoot, we were there the last week of September when The Garden got its last rain!
Ah Big Bend, we will soon return to reacquaint ourselves in our ritual of blood, exhaustion and dehydration. How can we resist the temptation to strip ourselves of the maladies of civilization?

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Re: High Chisos sites closed
« Reply #31 on: April 25, 2011, 03:53:57 PM »
So, it looks like the primary of GUMO and the secondary of high chisos are both going to get hosed (trip start day May 6) barring anything seriously changing for the better over the next two weeks.  Thoughts on what to replace the trip with? Was a 4 day 3 night backpacking trip.  Shall we wait til after the hot months and try again?

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Re: High Chisos sites closed
« Reply #32 on: April 25, 2011, 03:58:34 PM »
You can still do the GNP and hike up from Pine Springs.  You will have to carry all of your water.

Al

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Re: High Chisos sites closed
« Reply #33 on: April 25, 2011, 04:15:03 PM »
Try the Ranch.  Guale 2 campsite, Tapedo Canyon

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Re: High Chisos sites closed
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2011, 04:42:12 PM »
You can still do the GNP and hike up from Pine Springs.  You will have to carry all of your water.

Al

Water won't be an issue but the prevailing weather conditions would be
"Strong and damaging winds, with a west wind between 40 and 45 mph, with gusts as high as 65 mph. "  Of course should the winds stop it would be great.

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Re: High Chisos sites closed
« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2011, 04:42:56 PM »
Try the Ranch.  Guale 2 campsite, Tapedo Canyon

the ranch is an option i honestly havent given much consideration to.  I'll have to look into it more.

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Re: High Chisos sites closed
« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2011, 04:48:05 PM »
Try the Ranch.  Guale 2 campsite, Tapedo Canyon

Damn hot in May.   :icon_redface:

Might be better off going in the fall unless you drive further into New Mexico for a higher elevation trip.
temperatures exceed 100 degrees F
minimum 1 gallon water per person/day
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Re: High Chisos sites closed
« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2011, 06:52:49 PM »
Just out of curiosity where are you finding wind speed predictions that far out?

Al

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Re: High Chisos sites closed
« Reply #38 on: April 25, 2011, 09:08:34 PM »
nature conservancy said they were burning 15000 acres in Madera Canyon yesterday to prevent the fire in Little Aguja from reaching Livermore in the Davis Mtns.  Due to the La Nina  until June we are not expecting rain until June in Big Bend.  Winds were lighter and more northerly than expected today so maybe tomorrow we wont have the winds predicted.  Animals are skinny and thirsty- dont know how they hang on.

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Re: High Chisos sites closed
« Reply #39 on: April 25, 2011, 09:54:29 PM »
nature conservancy said they were burning 15000 acres in Madera Canyon yesterday to prevent the fire in Little Aguja from reaching Livermore in the Davis Mtns. 

Holy backfire Batman! :icon_eek: That's so sad to hear. I hiked Madera last September and it was a very nice day hike. Can't imagine what it will be like with that much acreage burned. :icon_cry:
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Re: High Chisos sites closed
« Reply #40 on: April 26, 2011, 09:09:42 AM »
Just out of curiosity where are you finding wind speed predictions that far out?

Al
Hi the statement is a bit ambiguous.  The quoted wind speed prediction was the prevailing condition over the next 4 days and from what I've been watching has been over the last few weeks as well.  Looking at the weather models though for the longer term (out towards 200 hours), similair frontal/pressure conditions appear to be hanging around.

Definately hoping for some moisture and stability though.

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Re: High Chisos sites closed
« Reply #41 on: April 26, 2011, 10:11:34 AM »
Just out of curiosity where are you finding wind speed predictions that far out?
Hi the statement is a bit ambiguous.  The quoted wind speed prediction was the prevailing condition over the next 4 days and from what I've been watching has been over the last few weeks as well.  Looking at the weather models though for the longer term (out towards 200 hours), similair frontal/pressure conditions appear to be hanging around.

Definately hoping for some moisture and stability though.
The Weather Channel says "Windy" for the next 10 days, except for tomorrow when it's just "Sunny". I wouldn't count on any moisture unless you bring it with you. Humidity is predicted to be around 15% or less.
http://www.weather.com/outlook/driving/interstate/tenday/TXNPGUMO:13

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Re: High Chisos sites closed
« Reply #42 on: July 25, 2011, 10:06:48 AM »
I am starting to wonder just how much rain it might take to get the Park Superintendent to lift the closure to overnight stays in the High Chisos.  :-\ Fire danger has dropped a couple notches to Moderate.  :eusa_think:

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Re: High Chisos sites closed
« Reply #43 on: July 25, 2011, 03:40:08 PM »
I suspect that about 6" might do it. The only reason why the danger is currently moderate is due to the higher RH values being seen currently. Another important determination is the 10 hr fuel moisture status.  When fuel moisture is below 6 or 7 percent a fire can cause damage to plant roots and even the soil. I'm sure NPS monitors, wind, temp, fuel temp and fuel moisture. Don't count on any Chisos sites opening until all or most of these parameters show marked improvement. Do a rain dance.
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Re: High Chisos sites closed
« Reply #44 on: July 25, 2011, 04:09:29 PM »
Thanks for the explanation, badknees. It's nice to know that the NPS folks might be applying a sane quantitative approach and not some sort of anti-human conspiracy.  :icon_mrgreen:

 


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