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Title: The last two weeks in July
Post by: dprather on June 11, 2019, 11:44:45 PM
Background:

A couple of years ago I discovered that August in the High Chisos is a wonderful time (please, let's keep this a secret - especially from Austinites...SQUEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEL).

I am bound and determined to get my oldest son beneath a backpack and out in the Bend; as a Texas educator, the last two weeks of July are the closest he can come to August since professional development days start early in August.

Question:

What challenges am I looking at for High Chisos backpacking and camping during the final two weeks of August?  I am wondering about rain, heat, and availability of water in the Boot pipe.


Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: jeffblaylock on June 12, 2019, 12:39:58 AM
I've hiked in the high Chisos in July a few times. It can be hot. It can be rainy. Sometimes there's lightning. Sometimes there's lots of lightning. Rain typically happens in the afternoon, so have your tent/tarp/shelter set up before then, which means get an early start each day. Water availability depends on rainfall during the preceding few weeks.

The biggest challenge I recall from my July trips: the flies. Unrelenting. Few bit, but those that did hurt.

Second challenge: haze. The view off the Rim isn't what it can be. This can be mitigated if a front comes through.

July has its advantages. Just pay attention to the weather patterns during the preceding few weeks and, of course, while you're there.
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: Imre on June 12, 2019, 12:53:00 AM
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It can be rainy. Sometimes there's lightning. Sometimes there's lots of lightning
Also, sometimes there can be hail. But then at least it's no longer hot. 
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: mule ears on June 12, 2019, 05:57:01 AM
Here are 3 trip reports in July. 

jeffblaylock in 2004 (http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/members-only-photos-and-reports/south-rim-zen-moment-(july-2004))

Sleepy and Ay Chihuahua in 2008 (http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/your-trip-reports/ay!chi-and-sleepy-trip-in-big-bend)

badknees in 2016 (http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/your-trip-reports/july-31st-chisos-mountain-summer-hike-loop/)
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: Meadows8903 on June 12, 2019, 10:50:01 AM
Iím following this closely as I plan on hiking in the high Chisos the last weekend in July.


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Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: badknees on June 12, 2019, 11:29:30 AM
I did a series of 3 High Chisos summer hikes in 2016

June -  https://mirrormagic.com/2016/06/18/chisos-mountain-summer-hike/
Late July - https://mirrormagic.com/2016/08/06/chisos-mountain-summer-hike-loop/
Early September - https://mirrormagic.com/2016/09/11/chisos-mountains-summer-rain/

These reports should give you a pretty good idea.

I don't remember any problem with flies, but small gnats were annoying sometimes. Carry some repellent.

Water was available from Boot Canyon, Boot Spring and Upper Cattail Canyon (Cattail checked only during the early Sept hike)

During the June trip I explored the area behind SW4 and found a small stream about 40 yards below the site in a draw. The rain had fed this ephemeral stream.  I had plenty of water but took the opportunity for a bandana bath.

Keep your eye on the weather and watch out for frequent afternoon T-storms. It can get chilly up there during the rain so be prepared.
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: Imre on June 12, 2019, 02:08:13 PM
And with a little luck, perhaps the slate throated redstart will still be present in Boot Canyon.   :eusa_shhh:
Title: The last two weeks in July
Post by: House Made of Dawn on June 12, 2019, 02:21:53 PM
Over the years, Iíve made a couple trips into the Chisos in July, but none in the last several years. Itís definitely a do-able trip.

Just bear in mind that the temps can get up to and stay in the mid-to-high 80ís, even up there. A full day of hiking (or even resting) at those temps can be draining, even up in the mountains. On the other hand....precipitati on is likely....rainstorm s, thunderstorms, and even hailstorms can drive the temps down steeply and quickly. You might even want a light jacket or sweater. Iíve never had a spooky storm experience up there, but I can easily imagine it. I agree that biting flies and buzzing gnats can be an irritant in summer, but mostly Iíve found those localized and concentrated on the approach trails (Pinnacles, and especially Blue Creek) and near water sources. Iíve always found water in Boot Canyon in summer but Iíve never been up there during a drought. If itís rained recently, you should be fine. Upper Cattail Canyon down aways from Laguna Meadow has spring-fed pools, too.  But you may have to fight your way through brush to get there.

Definitely enter and exit the Chisos via The Pinnacles: that route is the shortest and at least offers some shade and a promise of A/C and cold drinks at the bottom.

I think itís a trip worth doing. You sure canít beat the views, and youíll probably have the mornings and evenings completely to yourselves. Hope it works out for you.


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Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: Imre on June 12, 2019, 02:53:22 PM
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Definitely enter and exit the Chisos via The Pinnacles
+ 1: No doubt about it -- the Laguna Meadow trail will be in the shadow of Casa Grande in the morning but after about 10 AM it will be hot and exposed.
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: PacingTheCage on June 13, 2019, 04:07:16 PM
My son and are planning the same trip for July 29 through August 2nd. Plan to arrive the 29th and camp at the Basin and head up Pinnacles early on the 30th.  Would like to make a 3 night trip out of it but that all depends on water availability.


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Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: dprather on June 13, 2019, 05:24:24 PM
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Definitely enter and exit the Chisos via The Pinnacles
+ 1: No doubt about it -- the Laguna Meadow trail will be in the shadow of Casa Grande in the morning but after about 10 AM it will be hot and exposed.

Thanks for the high-quality input
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: dprather on June 13, 2019, 05:25:37 PM
Wow - two other groups  are  also planing this trip.
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: badknees on June 13, 2019, 06:43:49 PM
My son and are planning the same trip for July 29 through August 2nd. Plan to arrive the 29th and camp at the Basin and head up Pinnacles early on the 30th.  Would like to make a 3 night trip out of it but that all depends on water availability.


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Read my links in the earlier posts in this thread.

If you want a nice 3 night trip, read my link. I would go Laguna Meadow Trail and spend a night at LW or LW. explore Upper Cattail in the afternoon.

Then across the Colima Trail thru Boot Canyon  to the NE Rim for night 2.

Climb up to Townsend Peak on the morning  of day 3 and spend all day working your way to SW rim.

Spend sunset on the SW Rim.

Hike back via Laguna Meadow or Boot Canyon/ Pinnacles on the last morning..
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: PacingTheCage on June 13, 2019, 07:28:27 PM
My son and are planning the same trip for July 29 through August 2nd. Plan to arrive the 29th and camp at the Basin and head up Pinnacles early on the 30th.  Would like to make a 3 night trip out of it but that all depends on water availability.


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Read my links in the earlier posts in this thread.

If you want a nice 3 night trip, read my link. I would go Laguna Meadow Trail and spend a night at LW or LW. explore Upper Cattail in the afternoon.

Then across the Colima Trail thru Boot Canyon  to the NE Rim for night 2.

Climb up to Townsend Peak on the morning  of day 3 and spend all day working your way to SW rim.

Spend sunset on the SW Rim.

Hike back via Laguna Meadow or Boot Canyon/ Pinnacles on the last morning..

We actually got the idea from you! My son stumbled across one of the links you posted above a few months ago. You inspired us!


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Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: House Made of Dawn on June 14, 2019, 12:45:21 AM
You guys beat me to it. I think BK is  on the money here. I was just thinking about Imreís shadow comments, and it occurred to me that an early morning hike up Laguna Meadow into the Chisos while itís still shaded might be the best entry, then camping in one of the LW sites.

Upper Cattail Canyon, being spring-fed, is very likely to have water. Just bear in mind that 1) you may have to fight your way through some brush to get to the rockier portions of the drainage where the water is found, and 2) Upper Cattail on a summer afternoon is going to be sun-exposed and probably very, very hot. I know: Iíve been there.

As for the rest of your itinerary, I think BK is also spot on, though I would definitely choose The Pinnacles trail as an exit. Much shadier during the afternoon until you reach the dreaded open sections at the end. 


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Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: badknees on June 14, 2019, 08:08:27 AM
Opinion....South Rim via Laguna Meadow vs Pinnacles

From the Basin trailhead to the SW Rim overlook:
Via Laguna Meadow - 6.1 miles

From the Basin trailhead to the closest point on the S Rim:
Via Pinnacle/Boot Canyon - 6.01 miles

For Emory Peak and Boot Canyon daytrippers, the Pinnacles is the obvious choice, however for Rim trips it's not so clear cut.

When using the Pinnacles trail to reach the Rim, the elevation penalty is dropping into Boot Canyon. The cost is about 200' that has to be re-earned to get to the Rim.

So....Unless I was doing Boot Canyon only, I don't ever hike up the Pinnacles.

For loops, I typically go up Laguna Meadow and down the Pinnacles, but not always.

The sun/shade controversy is overblown for me as I typically start my hikes early either going up or coming down unless its a daytrip.

In conclusion...it all depends on the purpose of your hike and final destination. I personally like Boot Canyon and the Colima Trail and try to include them in any High Chisos multi day trip. Boot tends to be a requirement (water resupply). Cattail may work for water but it is NOT reliable except during the rainy season.
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: House Made of Dawn on June 14, 2019, 11:21:44 AM
100% agree.


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Title: The last two weeks in July
Post by: PacingTheCage on June 14, 2019, 02:51:13 PM
Iím 63 so I need to listen to yíalls wisdom!  Unlike my last venture Iím in backpacking shape this time so I need to push the machismo down!  Our goal is to spend 3 peaceful nights and 3 1/2 days in the high Chisos and above all have fun. We want to sleep on the NE and SW rims. 

Sounds like first night at a LM or LW site, followed by a NE site, followed by a SW site makes the most sense.  We could come down Pinnacles I suppose.  Not sure my knees would like that but my son would get to see it all so to speak.


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Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: badknees on June 14, 2019, 03:27:12 PM
Iím 63 so I need to listen to yíalls wisdom!  Unlike my last venture Iím in backpacking shape this time so I need to push the machismo down!  Our goal is to spend 3 peaceful nights and 3 1/2 days in the high Chisos and above all have fun. We want to sleep on the NE and SW rims. 

Sounds like first night at a LM or LW site, followed by a NE site, followed by a SW site makes the most sense.  We could come down Pinnacles I suppose.  Not sure my knees would like that but my son would get to see it all so to speak.


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If your last night is at a SW site, it is easier to do the Laguna Meadow trail......... however if you want to do all of Boot Canyon on the way down....... the Pinnacles it will be!
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: PacingTheCage on June 14, 2019, 03:57:48 PM
Seems like it might make more sense to camp at LW or LM, a SW site a NE site and then head down? 


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Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: Imre on June 14, 2019, 04:06:29 PM
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Iím 63 so I need to listen to yíalls wisdom!
I  would advise against exploring upper cattail. Badknees has posted a link to a great video of the little dam, but be aware that it may look like this! And Hmod wasn't kidding about fighting your way through in places, nor was he kidding about how hot and exposed it is. Thirty years ago, upper cattail was a fun little adventure for me, in large measure because I was still able to follow an old stock trail to the dam. But that was then, this is now. Today I am only one year younger than you. By 2015, the old stock trail was gone. I could find trail fragments maintained by the black bear and mountain lion. But that wasn't much help, since I am a lot taller than either and I prefer to walk upright. And trekking poles were essential -- without them, I might have done a face-plant into a cactus.
Hope this helps,
Imre
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: dprather on June 14, 2019, 04:36:23 PM
I did Upper Cattail about three summers ago in a wonderfully cool August.

+1 about the absence of trails through the brush. 
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Here is my plan for my son (Lord willing).

Leave his house in Houston very early in the AM on Monday (July 22).  Take on the driving as a team effort and push all the way through to the Bend that afternoon.  Eat at Lum's in Junction on the way.

Hike up LM on Tuesday AM.  Make base camp at LM 1 or LM 2 (JC 1 is plan C). 

Spend Wednesday exploring the High Chisos.

Come down (sadly) on Thursday AM.  Take in Boquillas for lunch before beginning the trip back home.  Spend the night at Seminole Canyon and possibly take in the Cave art the next morning. 



Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: badknees on June 14, 2019, 04:42:26 PM
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Iím 63 so I need to listen to yíalls wisdom!
I  would advise against exploring upper cattail. Badknees has posted a link to a great video of the little dam, but be aware that it may look like this! And Hmod wasn't kidding about fighting your way through in places, nor was he kidding about how hot and exposed it is. Thirty years ago, upper cattail was a fun little adventure for me, in large measure because I was still able to follow an old stock trail to the dam. But that was then, this is now. Today I am only one year younger than you. By 2015, the old stock trail was gone. I could find trail fragments maintained by the black bear and mountain lion. But that wasn't much help, since I am a lot taller than either and I prefer to walk upright. And trekking poles were essential -- without them, I might have done a face-plant into a cactus.
Hope this helps,
Imre

I was retired the last time I did Upper Cattail!  I posted earlier that the drainage isn't reliable for water except possible during the rainy season.

I have never felt like its exposed or all that hot. Contrairily, the first 1/3 is in the trees. It is a bushwhack, though and if you're not up to it, I would advise skipping it altogether.

That being said, I am 3 years older now than I was last time and I wouldn't hesitate to hit the dam again late this summer. I have hiked down to the dam at least a dozen times and I think its a cool place. Seriously, it's not that tough......However to each.......
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: badknees on June 14, 2019, 04:56:16 PM
Seems like it might make more sense to camp at LW or LM, a SW site a NE site and then head down? 


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The problem with that plan is water. If you go from a LW or LM site to SW, you will not have water resupply unless you go across Colima and down into to Boot and then back up to SW.

or alternately to SW  then down into Boot and back up again to SW.

Remember, unless you are going to hump 3 days worth of water, you're going to need Boot Canyon

IMHO -Too much up and down for a leisurely trip.......however. ...if that suits you, do it. it's all pretty in the summer.

Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: PacingTheCage on June 15, 2019, 03:36:11 PM
Point taken!  Too old to hump 3 days worth of water!


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Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: dprather on June 15, 2019, 04:24:26 PM
Point taken!  Too old to hump 3 days worth of water!


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At 63 now, I once felt the need to hump lots of water in the Bend.  Then I discovered what many on here have known for a long time.  Water in the Boot Pipe and in Fresno Creek  is delicious. 

Further, caching water at Homer Wilson and at the Juniper/Dodson bear box is no big deal. 

NOTE: if you drop water at the Juniper/Dodson bear box, then you might as well begin and end your OML there.  If you follow the traditional OML route, you can then pick up cached water at Homer Wilson and get water out of a tap at the Basin.

Earlier this spring, I did an OML solo and never carried more than three liters.  I could have done it on two liters (but why take the chance).
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: Hookim on June 19, 2019, 05:27:48 PM
I concur about not coming down Laguna Meadows for any reason unless you can make it back to the Basin by 10a. That black sand and exposure had me stumbling to my car on my last trip.

Where is Townsend Peak, btw?
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: steelfrog on June 19, 2019, 05:45:20 PM
Townsend is the high point up by NE rim
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: Flash on June 19, 2019, 05:47:37 PM

That black sand and exposure had me stumbling to my car on my last trip.


I have a nickname for that stretch of the Laguna Meadow Trail. I call it "The Oven".  :icon_cool:
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: badknees on June 19, 2019, 07:16:32 PM
I concur about not coming down Laguna Meadows for any reason unless you can make it back to the Basin by 10a. That black sand and exposure had me stumbling to my car on my last trip.

Where is Townsend Peak, btw?
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: Bo_dynasty on July 16, 2019, 07:09:22 AM
Great info in this thread, thank you from a newbie.

Iím planning a one night overnighter first backpacking trip up the High Chisos, wanting to experience the sunset/sunrise on the rim. My plan was Pinnacles/Emory Peak-SW4-BootCanyon/Pinnacles. Does that sound like a good plan or any other suggestions for a first trip up?
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: elhombre on July 16, 2019, 09:07:47 AM
For the first time up I would stay at SE1 for convince.  View is just as good.  For a first time backpacking trip that will last only one night, you can do a few things to cut weight.  No extra clothes except an extra pair of socks and maybe an extra pair of chonies.  Stop at Subway in Fort Stockton and pick up a foot-long sandwich for dinner up on the rim.  Add on a couple of hippy turd power bars for breakfast and snacks, and your food is covered.  No need for a stove or fuel.  You will only need a rain jacket for warmth.  Remember, rotten cotton kills, so wear synthetic clothes so you dry out fast from sweating.  Bury your poop and bring out all TP and trash.  Enjoy!
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: PacingTheCage on July 16, 2019, 09:31:05 AM
Hey Bo, when are you making your hike? If youíre going prior to 7/29 could you post a water report, please?  Many thanks!


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Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: steelfrog on July 16, 2019, 09:37:03 AM
Sounds like a good plan; If it's your first time up there, I strongly recommend exploring every campsite you pass, get a feel for your favorites; mine are SW3, SE3 and NE4, FWIW.  Or whatever they're calling them now.  But I can just as easily camp in one of the Colimas especially if it's crowded and if there's wind.

El Hombre's advice about packing is very good advice.  I've gone lighter and lighter over the years and for your proposed trip, my entire pack would be 8-10 pounds.  Makes things so much more pleasant, gives you more options.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: dprather on July 16, 2019, 10:10:37 AM
My approach to High Chisos camping and backpacking is a bit different.  I like the Colima sites, especially Colima #2.

Why?

(1) By camping along the Colima Trail, I do not have to lug my backpack all the way up to the Rim.  I establish a base camp from which I can explore.

(2) Far from the maddening crowds, the Colima sites are still close to water at Boot Pipe.

(3) The Colima Trail is just magical.

Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: steelfrog on July 16, 2019, 10:27:09 AM
Yep; last 2 times I've camped there have been on Colima
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: Bo_dynasty on July 16, 2019, 10:44:22 AM
Thanks all. I am going out this weekend. Doing South Rim on Saturday, 7/20. I'll post a water report after.

Planning to be light but was thinking about water:
3L Camelback
3 x 2L platypus
2 20oz Gatorade
1 32oz Nalgene

How does that sound?
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: Jim on July 16, 2019, 11:01:02 AM
Usually there are plenty of camp sites available in the Chisos during the last two weeks in July.  Here's what it looked like in 2017 ( the last full year El Campo was used).
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: Flash on July 16, 2019, 11:02:08 AM
Thanks all. I am going out this weekend. Doing South Rim on Saturday, 7/20. I'll post a water report after.

Planning to be light but was thinking about water:
3L Camelback
3 x 2L platypus
2 20oz Gatorade
1 32oz Nalgene

How does that sound?
Sounds heavy, unless you are planning to fill the 3 - 2L platypus bottles at Boot Canyon.  ;)
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: steelfrog on July 16, 2019, 11:05:15 AM
Yeah that's a ton of water; 22 pounds of water?  Seriously?

If I was doing what you are doing I'd have about 8, maybe less; and I always carry a light filter, the MSR TrailShot
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: Bo_dynasty on July 16, 2019, 11:13:45 AM
Yeah that's a ton of water; 22 pounds of water?  Seriously?

If I was doing what you are doing I'd have about 8, maybe less; and I always carry a light filter, the MSR TrailShot

Ok thank you! I was trying to read back on old threads to get an idea about summer hiking needs and thought it was too much. I have a light filter so I'll drop to the 3L and 1 x 2L plus the gatorades.
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: PacingTheCage on July 16, 2019, 11:24:37 AM
Bo, thanks for being willing to provide a water report! 

If youíre well hydrated between now and when you leave you wonít need as much water.  Drink a liter before you begin your hike. If you take 7 liters you should be more than OK for an overnighter.


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Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: steelfrog on July 16, 2019, 11:35:32 AM
Yeah I always pound down a half liter to a liter before I start; then I usually won't drink at all up Pinnacles; or for about an hour after; and I budget to use 2 liters a day after that (which I rarely use all), so, I think I'd take 4 for this mission.  But 7 can't hurt, it's just another 6 pounds.

Once you get up Pinnacles there's not a whole lot strenuous up there.  Lots of shade opportunity.  Even Emory is only about 40 minutes of grunt, and you can leave the pack in the bear box
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: Casa Grande on July 16, 2019, 01:40:32 PM
I concur about not coming down Laguna Meadows for any reason unless you can make it back to the Basin by 10a. That black sand and exposure had me stumbling to my car on my last trip.

Where is Townsend Peak, btw?
http://www.virtualbigbend.com/big-bend-virtual-tour/#/Townsend-Point/

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Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: mule ears on July 16, 2019, 04:13:53 PM
Yeah that's a ton of water; 22 pounds of water?  Seriously?

If I was doing what you are doing I'd have about 8, maybe less; and I always carry a light filter, the MSR TrailShot

Ok thank you! I was trying to read back on old threads to get an idea about summer hiking needs and thought it was too much. I have a light filter so I'll drop to the 3L and 1 x 2L plus the gatorades.

Depending on when you leave and plan on returning to the car but I figure 5 liters a day like this:  1 for breakfast, 1 for the morning, 1 for lunch, 1 for the afternoon and 1 for dinner.  So if you drink one before you hit the trail (call the the morning liter) then you could do 3 that day and then 3-4 depending on when you plan to get back to the car.  There should be water in Boot Canyon pools if not out of the pipe.  The Basin has had 1.6" of rain in the last two weeks so you could cut back another liter or two if you wanted, especially if you can get some water reports from the rangers (don't count on that) or day hikers come off the trail.

And Welcome to BBC Bo_dynasty!
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: Bo_dynasty on July 22, 2019, 02:11:19 PM
Thanks for all the guidance here I had a great trip! Pounded 1L at the Basin, carried 5L (3L camelback + 2L platypus) and a 20oz Gatorade up Pinnacles/Boot Canyon/Colima/SWRim to SE4. Plenty of water in Boot Spring (i'll do a water report with pics). Started back down NE Rim/Boot Canyon/Pinnacles with 2.5L and half a gatorade, snagged 1L out of Boot Spring and finished up at Basin with 1.5L.

Pine Canyon Trail, and the drive out there, was awesome! Big black bear up in the trees...
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: PacingTheCage on July 22, 2019, 02:45:22 PM
Thanks for the report and glad you enjoyed your trip!


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Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: iCe on August 01, 2019, 02:53:52 PM
100% don't recommend this but twice I've hiked up the Pinnacles (day trip) and ended up with no water when I got to the rim. The first time I screwed up and bought a BCG on the way out because I had forgotten to pack my Camelbak and it leaked all of my water out on the way up (my back was very cool and comfortable  ???  ) and the second time I laid my Camelbak down on the bite valve (unknowingly) and watered the cactus on the rim  ???  The first trip was the full 14 mile loop... that sucked. The second was just up the Pinnacles and back down. Both times, psychologically, I felt like the guy in the movies, crawling across the desert sands... in real life, I was thirsty but not about pass out. So... it's doable just not smart... but way better than humping 3 days worth of water up for an overnight.
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: steelfrog on August 01, 2019, 04:16:07 PM
That exact thing happened to me in Yosemite about 10 years ago, with the bladder and the tube coming loose/leaking, and since then I haven't used a hydration pack once.  Always bottles, either Nalgene or the thin little 17oz water bottles.
Title: Re: The last two weeks in July
Post by: iCe on August 01, 2019, 04:28:05 PM
That exact thing happened to me in Yosemite about 10 years ago, with the bladder and the tube coming loose/leaking, and since then I haven't used a hydration pack once.  Always bottles, either Nalgene or the thin little 17oz water bottles.


100% agree. Mostly because of this forum but somewhat because I had back to back experiences with it - I don't single source my water anymore.