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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2006, 09:18:54 am »

I guess I just pushed myself over the limit, cuz I am one now.
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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2006, 09:54:38 am »

FIFTEEN? That's downright balmy. It was FOUR degrees the last time I was in Bandelier:





To stay on topic, I didn't have any problems with critters on the OML. I slept under a tarp and actually had my pack nearby. My food was placed inside a double plastic bag, itself contained within the plastic garbage bag that constitutes my pack liner.
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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2006, 09:58:06 am »

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FIFTEEN? That's downright balmy. It was FOUR degrees the last time I was in Bandelier

Yeah, but I was hiking nude. I'll spare you the pics.

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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2006, 10:47:07 am »

I was at a workshop with Raymond Skiles (BIBE mammalogist) this last weekend, and he said that it's possible in the future that backpackers will be required to carry their food in bear canisters.
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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2006, 10:53:42 am »



Hard to imagine critters in BIBE!

Actually, in thirty years I have never had a serious problem with food.  The advice so far is all good.

Do not leave food in your tent or pack.  The likeliest problem is rodents chewing through the fabric of your equipment.  On a winter trip there is little concern regarding insects, but do make sure you don't set your food on top of an ant den!

The mouse in the above pic is about to eat a glob of chocolate covered macadamia nuts.  I had mostly heat-resistant food on that trip, but it did get warm enough to totally melt that one bag.  I set it on a rock, away from the rest of our commissary stash, and strangely enough, it was the only thing that got touched by animals at all.

Another issue is clean up.  Most animal problems develop because of what is left behind.  When we carelessly slop extra food, etc. around camp, good camping areas become havens for human-habituated small animals.  

If you must dispose of extra food, treat it just like human waste.  Bury it a long distance from good camping, trails and water supplies.  It is a good idea, even when rinsing out a cup or dish you have used to discard the water far from your camp site, preferably someplace no one else would want to camp or sit down for lunch.  

Designated campsites always seem to have permanent residents who live on detritus of sloppy camper's food.

Wildlife that is truly wild is one of the treasures of our ever-decreasing true wilderness areas.
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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2006, 10:57:21 am »

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Curtman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wanna go to Bandelier again in 2007?

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should i assume you guys go to tsankawi also?  we love that area.
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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2006, 12:32:02 pm »

Curt, you have a PM

Jeff..Didja have 20" of snow in Bandelier?  
It was 0 one year in Nov out there
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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2006, 12:37:57 pm »

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Tsankawi???? Not familiar with that.
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« Reply #23 on: October 31, 2006, 02:32:40 pm »

the other part of Bandelier....it's a few miles away...very small
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« Reply #24 on: October 31, 2006, 06:25:40 pm »

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Yeah, but I was hiking nude. I'll spare you the pics.


Whew! Looks like we all just barely dodged that one.
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« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2006, 06:27:51 pm »

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Yikes! Is that how he refers to himself? Bet that gets some funny reactions from time to time. So easily misunderstood by the easily confused.
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« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2006, 06:30:59 pm »

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The mouse in the above pic is about to eat a glob of chocolate covered macadamia nuts.


Just look at that mouse's eyes. He knows it's a bonanza and is cross-eyed from anticipation, or maybe it's already chocolate intoxication. He's wondering why the nuts he finds on the ground never tasted this good.
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« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2006, 08:31:31 pm »

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Yikes! Is that how he refers to himself? Bet that gets some funny reactions from time to time. So easily misunderstood by the easily confused.


That's how I refer to him, and I don't see anything ambiguous about it.
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« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2006, 09:18:16 pm »

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The mouse in the above pic is about to eat a glob of chocolate covered macadamia nuts.


Just look at that mouse's eyes. He knows it's a bonanza and is cross-eyed from anticipation, or maybe it's already chocolate intoxication. He's wondering why the nuts he finds on the ground never tasted this good.


She/he never in her wildest imagination, nor by myth or the stories of her ancestors (as passed on through mouse lore), anticipated there could be such a food, so well packaged, with no ants or insects there first, so bursting with taste and energy sitting on a rock waiting for her to pass by.  

Her eyes seem to say this is too good to be true; Manna from God.  

Great shot!

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« Reply #29 on: October 31, 2006, 09:46:30 pm »

Either that or she's just camera shy.

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