Patterson welcomes return of Second Amendment rights to some National Parks

[LandCruisers4Life]

Shane just doesn't believe in firearms. He's entitled to that.

While some are straight nay sayers on firearms in public, I really think it's in the education of the individual. Sure, you have those who have no business with a firearm, but then there are those who have been trained. Some as kids on up, raised in good American homes with good moral values.

I have no problem with firearms in National Parks. However I think before people get up in arms, they should remember that just because there are people out there who will carry them into the parks, doesn't mean they will be shooting others randomly out of fright.

Everyone has the right to self protection, whether it is from wild animals (rare), or from robbery in the middle of the night.

[SHANEA]

Unfortunately for ShaneA, his camp is not HIS camp. Sounds like a temper tantrum to me.

So, If I should say "no liquor in my camp" or whatever, and it's my campsite that I paid for and I am occupying, then I expect you to be big enough and man/women enough to respect my rights and my opinions and stay out of my camp.   No temper tantrum to it.  You are infringing on my rights to not have firearms in my camp.  Simple.  Your First Amendment Rights are NOT absolute and NEITHER are your 2nd Amendment Rights.  Your First Amendment Right to free speech is stopped short when you falsely yell fire in a crowded theater.   If the Interior Department opens up guns in Big Bend National Park, thats fine.  But you are infringing on MY 2nd Amendment Rights to NOT have firearms in my campsite.

If ya'll are so balled up on "carrying your gun" in the National Parks and it's infringing on your right to go heeled, then why don't you and JP really make a statement.  Really stand up for your rights.  Go up to DFW airport and walk right through that metal detector with your guns.  Go into the Federal Courthouses.  Try to walk into Congress or the Whitehouse carrying your guns.   Go by any school in Texas carrying a gun, they have signs up saying "Gun Free Zone".  You can't carry guns on most University Campuses in Texas.  Those are all infringements of your 2nd Amendment.  Your picking on easy stuff.  I'd think in the post 9/11 world that you would want to go heeled on the airplanes to protect yourself.  You probably have a much greater chance of needing your weapon there than in Big Bend National Park.

It's sure easy to go and say "Oh, Shane is Just Throwing a Temper Tantrum".  Well, it's my FIRST AND MOST IMPORTANT AMENDMENT to throw a temper tantrum if I want to.  Additionally, it is MY RIGHT to keep you out of my campsite, my house, my property, etc. with a fire arm.  All I have to do is legally post the sign as stipulated by the State of Texas to keep you from carrying a fire arm.

Why would you want to be someplace where you are not wanted in the first place.  Check your gun at the door, keep it in your vehicle, but don't bring it into my campsite at Big Bend National Park.

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I have no problem with guns and will defend your right to carry them, I only have a problem with guns in National Parks as I do feel that they are necessary and because of the unique circumstances surrounding the National Park experience.

[Al]

I will defend Shane's right to run folks off from "his" camp as long as his name is on the permit!  I've run a few illegal campers I didn't want in my camp off before.  BUT if Shane and I had traveled to Big Bend together or met by prearrangement and he told me no liquor in his camp, I would tell him to place it where the sun never shines if I so desired a drink.

Al

[SHANEA]

BUT if Shane and I had traveled to Big Bend together or met by prearrangement and he told me no liquor in his camp, I would tell him to place it where the sun never shines if I so desired a drink.
Al

Not much of a chance in heck of that happening...     We drank some good Scotch, Dewars, up on the South Rim during the quick jaunt "Drop Everything" trip to relieve the muscle aches...  I could never pour Single Malt Scotch into a plastic hip flask, it would be bruised...   

Which is another good reason to not go heeled into Shane's campsite.  The liquor is generally always flowing and everyone knows that bullets and being 10-foot-tall-and-bullet-proof don't mix - especially if there are some good discussions going on.

[presidio]

Unfortunately for ShaneA, his camp is not HIS camp. Sounds like a temper tantrum to me.

I paid for and I am occupying, then I expect you to be big enough and man/women enough to respect my rights and my opinions and stay out of my camp.  But you are infringing on MY 2nd Amendment Rights to NOT have firearms in my campsite.

Additionally, it is MY RIGHT to keep you out of my campsite, my house, my property, etc. with a fire arm.  All I have to do is legally post the sign as stipulated by the State of Texas to keep you from carrying a fire arm.

What Shanea fails to understand with all the references he kindly provided is that they apply only to private property. His campsite in Big Bend is on public property and he has NO control over the rules or any ability to make rules for his own benefit. The fact that he 'pays' for the site gives him NO possessory interest at all; you are a 'payer of fees', nothing more.

Put all the signs you want on your private property, but accept the fact that in public you have to play by the rules governing the public....just like the gun owners now do when they don't carry in the parks to comply with the current idiotic rule. When the rules change, practice what you suggest...be 'big' enough to accept that you don't control what folks do in public places. The fact that you cannot dictate whether someone lawfully carries a firearm in a public place has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment. If you read it closely it concerns possession, not prohibition.

[LandCruisers4Life]

I only wish there were no restrictions as to where you could carry a firearm. The 2nd ammendment has been infringed over and over.

Shane I never could drink Dewars, it always gave me the diarhea very soon after consumption.... I do however go in for George duckel No.8, Jack Daniels, and Jim Beam. Wild Turkey isn't bad but I sometimes suffer from a headache after drinking it. I never drink hard liquor straight either. Call me a whimp, but my stomach can't take it. Give me coke and one of the above and I'm good 

[presidio]

Not much of a chance in heck of that happening...     We drank some good Scotch, Dewars,

Which is another good reason to not go heeled into Shane's campsite.  The liquor is generally always flowing and everyone knows that bullets and being 10-foot-tall-and-bullet-proof don't mix - especially if there are some good discussions going on.

I am really confused. First you rant about 'if I should say no liquor' in your campsite. Then, you discuss the merits of consuming same.

It seems there is a lack of consistency in your position.

Your 'bullets....don't mix' comment appears to imply that someone who has a firearm, drinks and engages in spirited discussions is somehow 'dangerous'. That's a pretty broad stroke, but it is typical of the hysterical opposition to firearms.

[SHANEA]

What Shanea fails to understand with all the references he kindly provided is that they apply only to private property. His campsite in Big Bend is on public property and he has NO control over the rules or any ability to make rules for his own benefit. The fact that he 'pays' for the site gives him NO possessory interest at all; you are a 'payer of fees', nothing more.

Put all the signs you want on your private property, but accept the fact that in public you have to play by the rules governing the public....just like the gun owners now do when they don't carry in the parks to comply with the current idiotic rule. When the rules change, practice what you suggest...be 'big' enough to accept that you don't control what folks do in public places. The fact that you cannot dictate whether someone lawfully carries a firearm in a public place has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment. If you read it closely it concerns possession, not prohibition.

What Presidio fails to understand or appreciate is that it's my campsite, I invite those whom I want in my campsite.  If you are going heeled in my campsite, you are not welcome in my campsite.  What part of that don't you understand?  If I'm leading a Druid Moon in the 7th Heaven ceremony and we are hugging trees in my campsite and you come in and are not a believer and won't bow down and bark at the moon, you have no basis to be in my campsite if you are not wanted there?  It's simple.  Stay out of my campsite if you are heeled.  What is your problem with that?  It has nothing to do with jurisdiction or "public property" etc.  It's a simple fact you are not wanted there.  Why would you want to be some place where you are not wanted?  You are more than welcome, just leave your gun in your vehicle or campsite.  It's like you are saying you can be in any campsite you want to as they are public party.  Hey, those people over there are cooking big juicy steaks and drinking single malt Scotch.  It's public property, I'll go invite myself.  My campsite is my CASTLE.  I'm invoking the Castle Doctrine at my campsite. 

If someone is a tea-todler and doesn't like alcohol, then I'm not about to exercise my right to drink and bring it into their camp.  If I want to smoke a cig. or a cigar and someone has a non-smoking campsite, I'm not going to be an arse and smoke there.  If someone doesn't want guns in their campsite, then why can't you understand you are not welcome to bring your gun into my campsite? 

[SHANEA]

Your 'bullets....don't mix' comment appears to imply that someone who has a firearm, drinks and engages in spirited discussions is somehow 'dangerous'. That's a pretty broad stroke, but it is typical of the hysterical opposition to firearms.

Your DAMN RIGHT.  Guns and Liquor have no business being in the same place at the same time.

[presidio]

What Shanea fails to understand with all the references he kindly provided is that they apply only to private property. His campsite in Big Bend is on public property and he has NO control over the rules or any ability to make rules for his own benefit. The fact that he 'pays' for the site gives him NO possessory interest at all; you are a 'payer of fees', nothing more.

Put all the signs you want on your private property, but accept the fact that in public you have to play by the rules governing the public....just like the gun owners now do when they don't carry in the parks to comply with the current idiotic rule. When the rules change, practice what you suggest...be 'big' enough to accept that you don't control what folks do in public places. The fact that you cannot dictate whether someone lawfully carries a firearm in a public place has nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment. If you read it closely it concerns possession, not prohibition.

What Presidio fails to understand or appreciate is that it's my campsite, I invite those whom I want in my campsite.  If you are going heeled in my campsite, you are not welcome in my campsite.  What part of that don't you understand?  If I'm leading a Druid Moon in the 7th Heaven ceremony and we are hugging trees in my campsite and you come in and are not a believer and won't bow down and bark at the moon, you have no basis to be in my campsite if you are not wanted there?  It's simple.  Stay out of my campsite if you are heeled.  What is your problem with that?  It has nothing to do with jurisdiction or "public property" etc.  It's a simple fact you are not wanted there.  Why would you want to be some place where you are not wanted?  You are more than welcome, just leave your gun in your vehicle or campsite.  It's like you are saying you can be in any campsite you want to as they are public party.  Hey, those people over there are cooking big juicy steaks and drinking single malt Scotch.  It's public property, I'll go invite myself.  My campsite is my CASTLE.  I'm invoking the Castle Doctrine at my campsite. 

If someone is a tea-todler and doesn't like alcohol, then I'm not about to exercise my right to drink and bring it into their camp.  If I want to smoke a cig. or a cigar and someone has a non-smoking campsite, I'm not going to be an arse and smoke there.  If someone doesn't want guns in their campsite, then why can't you understand you are not welcome to bring your gun into my campsite? 

Wow, this topic sure brings out your best, doesn't it? What really happens when you don't get your way?

[SHANEA]

I am really confused. First you rant about 'if I should say no liquor' in your campsite. Then, you discuss the merits of consuming same.

It seems there is a lack of consistency in your position.

SATIRE

[SHANEA]

Wow, this topic sure brings out your best, doesn't it? What really happens when you don't get your way?

In my campsite, in my Castle, in my car, my house, my boat, my ski condo, my beach house, my lake house, in R2D2, and in my plane - I always get my way.    What is your problem with that? 

[SHANEA]

I'll make it easy for you.

New sign at my campsite.

PRESIDIO - YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE!

Simple.

[presidio]

I'll make it easy for you.

New sign at my campsite.

PRESIDIO - YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE!

Simple.

Oh, man, now you've really hurt my feelings. I shall refrain from posting for about 3 seconds.
 

Take a chill pill before you stroke out.

[Al]

Anyway  . . . depending on the time and place, I would happily drink whiskey from a plastic container.

Al