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Title: Curious Question
Post by: Casa Grande on July 23, 2015, 05:26:49 PM

Would you be interested in renting (nightly/weekly) a 500+ sq ft, 2 bedroom cabin with a flushing toilet, running water (through water collection), an electric swamp cooler, refrigerator and 100% off "the grid" and with an amazing view of the Park sitting on a beautiful 60 acres of a butte that is completely private and moderately difficult to get to (and nearly impossible in the rain without a 4X4)? 

If so, how much would you pay for that experience?

Please, be honest.

#terlingua360house

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Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: menandlois on July 23, 2015, 05:50:34 PM
How close to the park?  And are there any hiking options on the property or adjacent if not close?
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Casa Grande on July 23, 2015, 05:55:30 PM
Close to the park?  You are about 20 minutes away from the park boundary via the Terlingua Ranch entrance.  Hiking options locally would be limited to the top of the butte, roughly 100 acres,  but other short hikes below the butte's cliffs may be possible in the future. Hiking opportunities would be limited, but fun for a evening or morning stroll before the day's activities. Good questions.

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Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Casa Grande on July 23, 2015, 06:05:05 PM
This would be geared to people who may want to experience the Bend's off grid lifestyle. Give people a chance to experience the bend in a way that is different than the lodge, motel, or even backcountry roadside camping. 
 Curious how many of you would be interested.

"Roughing it with a toilet" so to speak. But it wouldn't be for everyone just like backpacking to the South Rim isn't for everyone.

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Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: dprather on July 23, 2015, 08:51:40 PM
I agree 100% that a tiny-house, off-grid experience would be WAY TOO COOL!
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: badknees on July 23, 2015, 09:34:05 PM
I like the idea..
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: alan in shreveport on July 23, 2015, 09:49:24 PM
this may be apples and oranges but a Casa Grande (pun intended) room at the lodge is $138 per night. Your place has a kitchen ? which is a big plus and the off grid experience. Their place is in the middle of everything which is a plus. I offer this as a  "comp" to go by.
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Casa Grande on July 23, 2015, 09:59:44 PM
The privacy has got the basin beat as well.  Not really competing with them. That's a whole different experience.

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Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: TheWildWestGuy on July 24, 2015, 06:31:08 AM
Does the TR still have a clubhouse with a swimming pool and bar/restaurant of sorts?  I think this was in the main house where the guy that started Shelby Mustang's used to live.   I know for several years back 10-20 years ago they were trying to attract overnight guests by having life music and events at the clubhouse but I think it kept failing.
TR is a bit too remote and too off-grid for most people vacationing in the area so your market niche is limited to those wanting remoteness and an off-grid experience.   If I was thinking about buying any property in TR I would definitely want to rent a place like yours for a few nights to get the feel for what it would be like out there but other than that I would want to stay in the Park or at least down in Terlingua or Study Butte where there is more action and more direct access to the Park.  But I am not part of the market niche seeking off-grid remoteness outside the Park.  TWWG
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: dprather on July 24, 2015, 11:51:33 AM
You can market it as a way to annoy wives.
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: menandlois on July 24, 2015, 01:38:07 PM
I could see this as a place for a different niche of folks, who just want some down time, and then to drive the roads in the park.  More of the recreational type user as opposed to the hiker type.  I would guess somewhere in the same range of the Lodge would work for folks like that, as it's a whole house.  Marketing would be difficult probably.
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: mr.bean5150 on July 24, 2015, 02:07:07 PM
Renters could take advantage of the Terlingua Ranch amenitieslike the laundry and restaurant. They have live music every friday and saturday evening and the talent will surprise you.
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: sleepy on July 24, 2015, 03:37:58 PM
I would be interested for various reasons.  Price? Id say less than $100/night with maybe a weekly discount. That's just me.  I'd prefer less than $80. Really more like $60. I'm not trying to insult, I'm just really cheap.
Can you build a fire?
Can you shoot guns?
Bedding?
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Homer Wilson on July 24, 2015, 03:50:05 PM
Looking around, the price range appears to be $65-$100. The thing that could really separate is the view and lay of the land. Some of these pictures of properties just show a dusty tract with no scenery. Whenever you advertise it, take good pictures that show off what your have.

Now people I have known who look for places like this typically want an extended stay. I know a couple of people who have gone off the grid for a couple of months to focus on their writing. If you could offer a low monthly rate, you may get some interest.

And advertise on airbnb, as that seems to dominate Google searches for rental property.
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: jim2 on July 24, 2015, 04:17:04 PM
After camping became difficult I've been looking for places like yours. I have used VRBO to find some off the beaten path places. You should market it to BBC members at first, see how it goes.
 Is there a stove? I would suggest that you have people bring their own sheets/ blankets and towels.

 Homer was in the price range, to me 70/80 per night. At least at first, get some good online reviews, then raise the rates a little. 
 I paid 85 per night for an Airstream in the ghost town, I felt that was reasonable. The weekly discount is a good idea.
 
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: ds9writer on July 24, 2015, 06:22:45 PM
Personally, I prefer the Jeep or Land Rover and a tent, but I can see how this would appeal to some.

I think it's all in the marketing - getting the word out to those who are interested in "off the grid" - not sure how one would get this word out, but I think that would be my major focus...

My $ .02...
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Casa Grande on July 24, 2015, 09:38:37 PM
Thanks all for the comments.   We are building this for ourselves, primarily.  It isn't going to be ready for a few more months as we are building it every once in a while on the weekends. 

The structure is being built from two shipping containers with a steel roof covering the whole compound, about 900 square feet. With about 400sq ft of shaded out door.  The inside will be about 550 square feet with a flushing toilet, shower, bathroom sink, small fridge, a kitchen with sink, dinette, living room with pullout couch bed, a small room with two sets of bunk beds, and a master with a queen bed and doors opening out into a large porch with an astonishing view of the entire north of park including Persimmon Gap/the Santiagos, Rosillos, Sierra del Carmens, and the Chisos.  In the evening, watch the sunset from the back porch, naked if that's your thing, then build a fire on the rock patio in the firepit and watch the night skies, naked if that's your thing.

There will be propane stove and heat, a swamp cooler, led lighting, and various power plugs for your small electronics. Electric provided by a bank of batteries likely charged by the wind. 

Wake up in the morning and take a nice, leisurely hike on their Mesa all to yourself, naked if that's your thing, while sipping on your morning Joe. Go back to the cabin and do some target practice with your favorite piece of iron, naked if that's your thing, or maybe not.

Again this is being built for our family. But we can't possibly use this place but every few months.  So, I thought we'd try and open it up to people who may want to rent it.  Price point, I was definitely thinking 75- 100 with a weekly or even monthly deal.

Search and follow the hashtag #terlingua360house on Facebook if you'd like to see some current pics of its construction.


The view from the future porch in April:
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Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Casa Grande on July 24, 2015, 10:17:23 PM
A 360 view of the building site, before ground breaking.  https://www.360cities.net/image/double-l-ranch-view-mexico

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Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: menandlois on July 27, 2015, 09:19:12 AM
Sounds very relaxing, maybe just the ticket after a long week of hiking. Will keep it in mind.
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: ds9writer on July 27, 2015, 09:26:26 AM
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In the evening, watch the sunset from the back porch, naked if that's your thing, then build a fire on the rock patio in the firepit and watch the night skies, naked if that's your thing.

"Clothing optional off the grid" is probably a very small niche!   :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: fartymarty on July 27, 2015, 10:21:55 AM
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In the evening, watch the sunset from the back porch, naked if that's your thing, then build a fire on the rock patio in the firepit and watch the night skies, naked if that's your thing.

"Clothing optional off the grid" is probably a very small niche!   :icon_lol:

Yes I agree, but David seems to be very keen on the naked idea, or at least preoccupied with it for now?

I think the largest drawback would be the access. A few folks in Subarus that want to get away for a week (naked if that's their thing) will be the niche. Those that travel in 4 X 4s will most likely be in the park camping on the back roads, and most that arrive in Buicks and Camrys don't drive on dirt, and don't bring their own sheets and towels even if they could access the property.  Pretty much limited to the members of this board, a few Subaru owners, and perhaps a few 4X4 owners with a strong "let's get nekkid" desire.  :icon_biggrin:

Love that 360 view David, I could look at that view naked or clothed, but I doubt my PT Looser could get up there.  :icon_cry:
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Casa Grande on July 27, 2015, 01:23:13 PM
Lol thanks for all the comments guys....keep them coming

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Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Buck on July 28, 2015, 11:04:13 AM
Great idea and I would be very interested. 

We're building a similar getaway, albeit closer to home over on some wooded acreage in Burleson County.  We started with a bar, then added the water tower, a screen shelter then a 2-story cabin with back porch on the edge of a ravine.  We have an old gas stove I converted to propane and a small solar array with a backup generator (but did have power hooked up last year).  Next comes a rain collection system and composting toilet.  Nothing like taking a shower under the tower!

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Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Casa Grande on July 28, 2015, 11:09:52 AM
Nothing like starting with the necessities in mind! Lol. Looks great!

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Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: mule ears on July 28, 2015, 11:22:53 AM
Awesome Buck!  Just like here at the farm, one piece at a time as cash will allow.   :eusa_clap:
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Lance on July 28, 2015, 11:27:46 AM
Looking good Buck!
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Buck on July 28, 2015, 02:27:56 PM
Exactly, Casa.  We were having friends out that weekend and threw the bar together just in time.

How far along are you on your place and what kind of time frame do you envision for completion?
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Casa Grande on July 29, 2015, 09:47:01 AM


Exactly, Casa.  We were having friends out that weekend and threw the bar together just in time.

How far along are you on your place and what kind of time frame do you envision for completion?

Well, we are hoping to have it completed to use by Christmas save for the outdoor kitchen area.   We're putting on the roof decking and tin this weekend and building the middle ceiling and hopefully cutting out and welding the steel walls in place.   A bit lofty goals, but no harm in trying!

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Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: jim2 on July 29, 2015, 04:30:36 PM
Does the road have a lot of Bentonite? Is that why the access in the rain is difficult?
 
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Casa Grande on July 29, 2015, 05:05:48 PM
Does the road have a lot of Bentonite? Is that why the access in the rain is difficult?
You got it, Jim.  That's exactly it.  We're exploring options.

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Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Casa Grande on July 29, 2015, 05:08:11 PM
Here's a rough sketch of the floor plan..

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Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Buck on July 30, 2015, 08:39:20 AM
I love it.  We spend most of our time on the porch, so good call there.  What solar array/configuration do you have in mind, if any?
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Casa Grande on July 30, 2015, 09:15:22 AM
I love it.  We spend most of our time on the porch, so good call there.  What solar array/configuration do you have in mind, if any?
Still working on the power options.  We haven't decided completely on solar.  There's a lot of wind up there too, so we may have a combination of the two.  We have a generator for now, but don't want to use that too much, if any, for obvious reasons.

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Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Jim on July 30, 2015, 09:32:32 AM
You might try homemade wind power.  I visited someone out on TR several years ago who at that time had several of these wind generators running.  I even made one myself just for fun.  And it's cheap!

http://velacreations.com/howto/chispito/ (http://velacreations.com/howto/chispito/)
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Casa Grande on July 30, 2015, 09:59:03 AM
Jim, I'm actually working on that. Abe sent me those plans about 10 years ago, but he's updated it to much easier instructions. 

Did you run into any unforeseen obstacles when you made yours?

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Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Buck on July 30, 2015, 11:26:04 AM
That's an interesting concept.  What's used for the actual generator?  I don't seem to see that in the article.

We got by on a 50 watt array with two deep cycle batteries for a little over a year to just run small fans, some 12 volt lights, phone and drill chargers and other little odds and ends.  The water tower was designed to serve as a not only a water collection endpoint, but also future solar panels and comm antennas.  We've gotten so used to being able to hang out up there - enjoying the breeze, stargazing and critter watching - I've hesitated to clutter it up with stuff.

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Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Casa Grande on July 30, 2015, 12:10:01 PM
The power is generated using a recycled treadmill motor!

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Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: dprather on July 30, 2015, 01:53:58 PM
I'm working on a 24X8 tiny in my backyard.

This is a SLOW project since I'm using recycleds.

The most patient woman in the world is "out of this world" about it.
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Buck on July 30, 2015, 02:49:54 PM
Where do you pick up recycled treadmill motors?
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Casa Grande on July 30, 2015, 02:51:42 PM
Lol. No idea.  I'll Probably look on craigslist for a cheap treadmill or just buy a new motor.

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Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Jim on July 30, 2015, 07:25:36 PM
Where do you pick up recycled treadmill motors?

Here's one of 50 bucks.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Icon-GS-Electric-B4CPM-082T-2-5HP-Treadmill-Wind-Turbine-Generator-DC-Motor-Used-/271938314779 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Icon-GS-Electric-B4CPM-082T-2-5HP-Treadmill-Wind-Turbine-Generator-DC-Motor-Used-/271938314779)
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Jim on July 30, 2015, 07:33:17 PM
Jim, I'm actually working on that. Abe sent me those plans about 10 years ago, but he's updated it to much easier instructions. 

Did you run into any unforeseen obstacles when you made yours?

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I didn't run into any problems when I made mine.  If you note the green PVC blades on the generator on Abe's web site, his were made from some extra lengths of the 1/4" thick walled pipe I gave to him after I made mine.  Using the thicker PVC allowed the blades to be shaped into more of an airfoil than was possible with the 1/8" PVC on his original design.
Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Casa Grande on July 31, 2015, 08:49:00 PM
Interesting. Thanks Jim! And thanks for the eBay find!

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Title: Re: Curious Question
Post by: Casa Grande on February 21, 2016, 10:27:56 PM
Latest from the #terlingua360house....

Working propane/12v hot water heater, refrigerator, plumbing with turbo pump (for water pressure), filtration from water catchment, indoor and outdoor shower pans, and sliding glass door installed.....

Outdoor shower pan
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Indoor shower pan
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Framed in bathroom
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Kitchen
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Sliding glass door
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Utility Closet
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