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Re: Terlingua Ranch
« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2008, 02:55:43 PM »
Gotta teach them bad land owners a lesson when they dare vote against POA assessments/maintenance fees... 

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Re: Terlingua Ranch
« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2008, 05:17:29 PM »
Due to cut backs and slow season income, Terlingua Ranch Resort is closed temporarily. Hopefully to re open in the fall. No lodge. No cabins. No restaurant. No music. No pool, no showers. Wah

Given that the lodge never has made money, I would not be surprised if it never reopens. Sometimes you get to a tipping point and the abrupt closure due to finances may be that point.
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Re: Terlingua Ranch
« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2008, 05:19:47 PM »
Gotta teach them bad land owners a lesson when they dare vote against POA assessments/maintenance fees... 

Well, since the POA has voted down the proposed changes, thus cutting off the ability of the leadership to further raise the fees, how would the economic reality of a forcibly limited budget be construed as retaliation?
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Re: Terlingua Ranch
« Reply #48 on: August 07, 2008, 06:08:20 AM »
Gotta teach them bad land owners a lesson when they dare vote against POA assessments/maintenance fees... 

Well, since the POA has voted down the proposed changes, thus cutting off the ability of the leadership to further raise the fees, how would the economic reality of a forcibly limited budget be construed as retaliation?

The budget isn't that limited now.  The maintenance fees have gone up 300% in five years, which they needed to with the cost of everything going up.  There were also the extra "one time assessments" asking for more money the last couple of years, and that's one of the issues that got a lot of people irritated.  The General Manager believes in spending first and getting the money later.  That's why the POA has a big deficit, that's why the Ranch has to go to the bank and borrow money, and that's why she asks for more money above and beyond the maintenance fees each year.  Our General Manager doesn't stay within her budget.   
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Re: Terlingua Ranch
« Reply #49 on: August 07, 2008, 08:09:42 AM »
The budget isn't that limited now.

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That's why the POA has a big deficit,

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Our General Manager doesn't stay within her budget.   
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How does your description not fit my earlier statement--'how would the economic reality of a forcibly limited budget be construed as retaliation?' A 'budget' is not expansive desires and profligate spending, with bailouts by the owners (the federal model does not work elsewhere). If they have a 'big deficit' and the manager doesn't 'stay within her budget' then there is no budget and economic reality is that regardless of what they put on paper the effect with the failure to convince the members to authorize unlimited fees is they certainly now ARE forcibly limited because there ain't no more money gonna be coming in by tapping the cash cow.

The leadership had been lulled into thinking they could pull this off since prior such actions were successful. They weren't prepared for, nor expecting, a revolt by the folks footing the bill and will not be able to further obligate funds while depending on future income. I'm sure the leadership is dumbfounded it didn't work out like they thought it would and now they are left wondering how to preserve their domain (most especially their income). The first logical cut was to turn off the historical money losers like the lodge and associated infrastructure. Such are the dangers of both not appreciating where the money comes from and losing touch with reality. You might say this model could be applied successfully at various levels of government if enough folks would decide they are not being adequately represented/served by the people in office.
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Re: Terlingua Ranch
« Reply #50 on: August 07, 2008, 01:25:38 PM »
The budget isn't that limited now.

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That's why the POA has a big deficit,

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Our General Manager doesn't stay within her budget.   
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How does your description not fit my earlier statement--'how would the economic reality of a forcibly limited budget be construed as retaliation?' A 'budget' is not expansive desires and profligate spending, with bailouts by the owners (the federal model does not work elsewhere). If they have a 'big deficit' and the manager doesn't 'stay within her budget' then there is no budget and economic reality is that regardless of what they put on paper the effect with the failure to convince the members to authorize unlimited fees is they certainly now ARE forcibly limited because there ain't no more money gonna be coming in by tapping the cash cow.

The leadership had been lulled into thinking they could pull this off since prior such actions were successful. They weren't prepared for, nor expecting, a revolt by the folks footing the bill and will not be able to further obligate funds while depending on future income. I'm sure the leadership is dumbfounded it didn't work out like they thought it would and now they are left wondering how to preserve their domain (most especially their income). The first logical cut was to turn off the historical money losers like the lodge and associated infrastructure. Such are the dangers of both not appreciating where the money comes from and losing touch with reality. You might say this model could be applied successfully at various levels of government if enough folks would decide they are not being adequately represented/served by the people in office.

The budget isn't that limited now because the property owners did vote in a maintenance fee increase a few years ago.  I think we're saying the same thing.  The property owners are still paying the maintenance fees as we voted in.  And if they don't pay their maintenance fees the Ranch can put a lien against their property.  The Ranch still has hundreds of thousands of dollars coming in each year.  We still, as far as I know, have road maintenance with one crew instead of two.  The Ranch ran for years with one road crew.  Two road crews would be groovy but the money has been spent on other, in a lot of people's opinion, things we really didn't need.  It sounds like you have their number so I'm probably not telling you anything you don't already know.  Terlingua Ranch really is a nice place to live.  Just don't get involved in politics unless you like to debate issues all day long. 
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Re: Terlingua Ranch
« Reply #51 on: August 07, 2008, 05:27:26 PM »
I think we're saying the same thing.

Okay.

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Sounds like a political nightmare. I've followed some of this and it seems that group filing the lawsuit last year and then withdrew at the point of a court ordered settlement (I guess they weren't getting what they really wanted) seems to have precipitated most of the current difficulties. Said plaintiffs ought to be on the hook for a frivolous challenge. It further seems everybody lost.
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Re: Terlingua Ranch
« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2008, 01:32:40 PM »
This may not be the best forum.  Anyone care to comment on purchasing land in Terlingua?  I am considering moving to get off-grid and get into the country.  I've lived in Knoxville, TN most of my life and am eager for room to stretch and raise my family.  I've researched some of the areas of Terlingua and am seeking others (landowners) input.  I'm looking at ~ 20 acres....   
Thanks

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Re: Terlingua Ranch
« Reply #53 on: December 11, 2008, 10:39:13 AM »
Just how much are the HOA dues?? I would not think they are very high considering location.
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Re: Terlingua Ranch
« Reply #54 on: December 11, 2008, 11:06:33 AM »
For more on the ongoing soap opera that is Terlingua Ranch, you can sign up at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/terlingua/
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/terlinguaranch/

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Re: Terlingua Ranch
« Reply #55 on: January 17, 2009, 02:15:05 AM »
Just how much are the HOA dues?? I would not think they are very high considering location.

undertaker: 2009 assessments to date: $155.32
IMO the lodge/cafe, etc. will re-open in 2009

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Re: Terlingua Ranch
« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2010, 11:20:39 AM »
Nope, and it's still closed to date.
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Re: Terlingua Ranch
« Reply #57 on: August 25, 2010, 03:04:10 PM »
Actually, the Lodge has been open for a few months now.  Only the cafe' is not open.

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Re: Terlingua Ranch
« Reply #58 on: July 23, 2011, 09:51:52 AM »
TR Lodge Restaurant (Judy's Bad Rabbit Cafe) has been open since spring. Politics are pretty quiet now, but they can't seem to hire a ranch manager that will stay. Good job opening for someone.   

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