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Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail

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Offline RichardM

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2011, 01:18:36 PM »
I thought that proposal died on the vine a year or so ago. Guess the mountain bikers are still pushing for it.

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SHANEA

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2011, 01:36:49 PM »
I see no problem with it.  It would be a dual use trail, would be non-motorized bikes so there would not be a "noise" issue, and mountain/road bikers are tax payers too - they should get some use/advantage out of the National Park as well.  I wonder if they will be able to take/ride their mountain bikes into Ole Mexico once the crossing reopens? 

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SHANEA

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2011, 03:13:47 PM »
Obviously the Sierra Club is opposed to this. 
http://lonestar.sierraclub.org/ActionAlert/20110323.asp

Although I'm a member of the Sierra Club  :icon_lol: - don't always agree with them. 

I still think a multi-use trail is a good idea!  I've got a mountain bike and would perhaps use it as well.  Mountain bikers are tax payers too. 

I will make sure I post a positive comment regarding this.

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Offline steelfrog

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2011, 03:22:29 PM »
You probably know this, but Big Bend Ranch State Park is a mountain biker's dream!

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Offline Ay Chihuahua!

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2011, 03:47:04 PM »
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Comments Needed Now on Proposed Mountain Biking Trail!

The National Park Service (NPS) has proposed construction of a new, 10-mile mountain biking trail in Big Bend National Park that would cut across currently undeveloped backcountry and undisturbed habitat in Big Bend National Park, northeast of Panther Junction. The Sierra Club is opposed to this threat to the wild nature of the Park and urges you to express your concerns as well.

The new trail is not needed – already there are miles of backcountry dirt roads in the Park that are open to mountain biking (in fact there are 150 miles of dirt roads in the Park). The issue is not whether mountain biking should be permitted in Big Bend – the issue is where the activity occurs and how it impacts the nature of the Park.

The area where the proposed trail would be built has been identified as an area for potential wilderness designation. Building the trail would preclude wilderness designation for that area.

Federal regulations currently prohibit use of bicycles off of existing paved and unpaved roads in all units of the National Park system. Proceeding with the proposed trail would require federal rulemaking to carve out an exception at Big Bend and would set a precedent that might lead to inappropriate trails at other national parks.

NPS is soliciting comments on an “Environmental Assessment” (EA) of the proposed trail at Big Bend. Comments on the proposed mountain biking trail are due Saturday, April 2! Please comment today to preserve the wildness of Big Bend National Park! Urge NPS to adopt “Alternative A – No Action” on the proposed mountain biking trail.

The two issues that are in bold are what I find concerning.

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Offline Hayduke

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2011, 04:49:38 PM »
This smells like a trojan horse as well as a "divide and conquer' proposal.

This is about more than creating an MTB trail - its about blocking future wilderness designation here and creating a vehicle to do it elsewhere.

In the process it creates a way to get MTBers and wilderness advocates at odds with each other, if they fall for it. 

I'm a MTBer and a hiker and I'm 100% against this.


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Comments Needed Now on Proposed Mountain Biking Trail!

The National Park Service (NPS) has proposed construction of a new, 10-mile mountain biking trail in Big Bend National Park that would cut across currently undeveloped backcountry and undisturbed habitat in Big Bend National Park, northeast of Panther Junction. The Sierra Club is opposed to this threat to the wild nature of the Park and urges you to express your concerns as well.

The new trail is not needed – already there are miles of backcountry dirt roads in the Park that are open to mountain biking (in fact there are 150 miles of dirt roads in the Park). The issue is not whether mountain biking should be permitted in Big Bend – the issue is where the activity occurs and how it impacts the nature of the Park.

The area where the proposed trail would be built has been identified as an area for potential wilderness designation. Building the trail would preclude wilderness designation for that area.

Federal regulations currently prohibit use of bicycles off of existing paved and unpaved roads in all units of the National Park system. Proceeding with the proposed trail would require federal rulemaking to carve out an exception at Big Bend and would set a precedent that might lead to inappropriate trails at other national parks.

NPS is soliciting comments on an “Environmental Assessment” (EA) of the proposed trail at Big Bend. Comments on the proposed mountain biking trail are due Saturday, April 2! Please comment today to preserve the wildness of Big Bend National Park! Urge NPS to adopt “Alternative A – No Action” on the proposed mountain biking trail.

The two issues that are in bold are what I find concerning.

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Offline Hayduke

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2011, 05:15:02 PM »
I also have to ask,

- with all of the miles and miles of dirt road in BIBE and BBRSP available to MTBing, why do we need to spend precious funds on a new trail that will not significantly add to the MTBing opportunitities? Is this money well spent, especially in these times?

- how desirable will this new trail be? With all the other opportunities it would certainly not be my first choice to bike.

-HD



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SHANEA

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2011, 05:21:01 PM »
Can't even get the International Park going...  Maybe, just maybe a border crossing will be setup next year or so.  Not going to book my reservation on the "across the river" shuttle boat until closer till the time.  If the Taliban cross the Rio Grande again to attack America   :icon_eek:, or perhaps the Libyans, then all bets are off.

Wilderness Designation isn't going to happen, at least not anytime soon.

Here is a good primer.
http://www.wilderness.net/
 

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Offline Hayduke

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2011, 05:30:27 PM »
Shane,

No one says that wilderness designation is imminent just that it will never happen once areas are developed.

-HD

Can't even get the International Park going...  Maybe, just maybe a border crossing will be setup next year or so.  Not going to book my reservation on the "across the river" shuttle boat until closer till the time.  If the Taliban cross the Rio Grande again to attack America   :icon_eek:, or perhaps the Libyans, then all bets are off.

Wilderness Designation isn't going to happen, at least not anytime soon.

Here is a good primer.
http://www.wilderness.net/

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Offline desertflwr

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2011, 07:43:40 AM »
I also have to ask,

- with all of the miles and miles of dirt road in BIBE and BBRSP available to MTBing, why do we need to spend precious funds on a new trail that will not significantly add to the MTBing opportunitities? Is this money well spent, especially in these times?

- how desirable will this new trail be? With all the other opportunities it would certainly not be my first choice to bike.

-HD

I agree.  After sharing trails with mountain bikers in a National forest back east, and nearly getting run over several times while I was hiking, I question the wisdom in putting mountain bikers and hikers on the same trail.  I own a mountain bike and use the dirt roads to ride. 
...in the wild places man is an unwelcome guest but its here that I'm found and here I feel blessed...

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SHANEA

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2011, 10:10:02 AM »
Well, let them have this trail then and don't hike on it.  It's pretty much being built for mountain bikers.  I'd bring my mountain bike along and use it.  My thought process is that mountain bikers are tax payers and should have access to the inner beauty of Big Bend.  I'm not saying that we should open up other trails to mountain bikers into the high Chisos or elsewhere.   Plus, it will be added revenue for Big Bend National Park - something that is desperately needed during these challenging budget times.  At some point, the Federal Government might have to start shutting down parks and selling them off as they can not pay for themselves - low attendance, etc.  Just like TPWD is going to have to do with the current budget mess in Texas.  With the plan behind closed doors on selling off TPWD property and GLO inventory, I would suspect that the Christmas Mountains, Chinati, Big Bend Ranch, etc. are all on the chopping block.  Wouldn't surprise me if Black Gap WMA was also on the list.  Obviously none of these sites are "paying their way" and are a drain on state financial resources.  That doesn't mean I like it or agree with it, but the well of money has run dry.

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Offline bjbriggs

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2011, 11:54:44 AM »
Everyone should have access to the Park.  I wish they would make some ATV trail to use in the Park.

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SHANEA

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2011, 12:52:40 PM »
Everyone should have access to the Park.  I wish they would make some ATV trail to use in the Park.

And off road motor bikes and a tram way lift to the top of the Chisos.   :rolling:

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Offline Hayduke

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2011, 02:31:29 PM »
Yes, if you use Shane's argument that (fill-in-the-blank) owners pay taxes and so our tax money should be used to create facilities for them in the park you open a pretty big Pandora's box.

Everyone should have access to the Park.  I wish they would make some ATV trail to use in the Park.

 


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