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Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail

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Offline steelfrog

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2012, 08:54:50 AM »
I got no prob with this at all--in fact, wouldn't mind them in the Quemada and elsewhere; BBRSP has awesome biking trails and I see no reason not to have them in BBNP; what is the big whoop?  We just don't want to share?  Is that it?

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Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2012, 09:15:05 AM »
The impact is greater than hiking. Bikes damage plants, the tires create ruts.
Everything is in walking distance if you have enough time.

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2012, 09:27:25 AM »
BBRSP has tons of biking trails and is more pristine than BBNP, so that argument doesn't hold water.

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2012, 09:51:27 AM »
I'm still trying to wrap my brain around what folks really mean when using words like pristine and wilderness...   :eusa_doh: What do you mean, steelfroggy?  :icon_cool:

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2012, 10:23:10 AM »
Ya, no doubt.  Undeveloped, I guess.

But, you can walk in the middle of the Quemada, off trail, and regularly run into signs of past civilization.

My point is, couldn't hurt to make some trails; people will never flock to BBNP in great numbers just because people, for a lack of a better term, are Poo-says.  99%.  BB is inaccessible, hard, etc.  I myself wouldn't mind mountain biking.  I haven't ever before but intend to at BBRSP and would in BBNP.

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2012, 11:11:38 AM »
I dont have a problem with bike trails if monitored. I dont care to see more people in the park but there probably needs to be more awareness and maybe the more than visit the more aware they will become.

I think the take it back to pristine wilderness is a slight to those who came before us, the way Big bend was cleansed in the early years was a shame, as is letting the past go to dust.

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Offline Raoul Duke

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #36 on: May 16, 2012, 02:24:12 PM »
Here's a perspective from a guy who loves MTBing just as much as I love visiting BBNP.

what about the River Road?

The proposed trail has lots of single track, which is much more fun than riding along an unimproved roads like River Road.  It's the same reason you wouldn't consider River Road a good choice for hiking as compared to dedicated hiking trails in the Park.  Good single track, like good hiking trails, has lots of variations, is aesthetically pleasing, and is generally only 18" to 30" wide.

The impact is greater than hiking. Bikes damage plants, the tires create ruts. 

I disagree.  I have found the single track trails near the Lajitas airport to be much less conspicuous than most hiking trails in BBNP, such as Pinnacles, Lost Mine or Laguna Meadows.  Horses have a much bigger impact than MTBs.

You have to ask - with all the current MTB opportunities available to MTBers at BBRSP and BBNP, why does IMBA think its important to focus its resources on building an MTB trail around Lone Mountain?

By that same logic, you could argue hiking trails in BBNP are not necessary since there are lots of trails in BBRSP.  Each area in the region has its own unique appeal to MTBers, just as it does for hikers, horseback riders, paddlers, etc.  Plus, BBRSP is much more difficult to access than BBNP.

This is a toehold and sets a precedent for -

- building MTB trails in other areas the Park (maybe some areas that aren't being "used" for anything)
- expanding areas where MTBs may be used in the Park (existing trails?)
- building new MTB trails in other units of the Park system
- having outside groups representing xxx come into an NPS unit, do their own fonsi and build a facility for their xxxs.

Fill in xxx with the outdoor instrument of your choice (MTB, ATV, whatever).

You could apply "slippery slope" logic to any proposal by the Park.  I see this as nothing more than allowing a sub-group of outdoor enthusiasts to enjoy the park in a manner that will not undermine the overall purpose of the Park--preservation of natural resources, peaceful enjoyment of the outdoors for citizens, etc.   I think MTBers are generally very conscientious and do a good job of minimizing impact.  I am sure there are a few bad ones, just as there are irresponsible hikers, auto tourists, boaters, and horseback riders. 

I seriously doubt NPS would entertain the idea of allowing MTBs on existing hiking trails.  As much as I love MTBing, I would be one of the first to stand up an oppose that, as I am sure virtually every other user of the Park would.

My $.02,

RD
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Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #37 on: May 16, 2012, 04:29:27 PM »
what is the big whoop?  We just don't want to share?  Is that it?

Spend a day hiking Govt Canyon in SA, you'll find out real quick why not.

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Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2012, 05:08:24 PM »
Again, I am not against bikes, but I still believe bike tires, especially when turning at speed and braking have a bigger impact on the soil than a person walking. With over a 1,000 square miles of park there is plenty of room for the cyclists.

Now how about a proposal for more miles of 4wd roads :-)
Everything is in walking distance if you have enough time.

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2012, 07:08:40 AM »
what is the big whoop?  We just don't want to share?  Is that it?

Spend a day hiking Govt Canyon in SA, you'll find out real quick why not.

Govt Canyon SNA is not a fair comparison to the proposed trail.  Most of the trails in GCSNA are open to MTBs, so hikers generally have nowhere to go to avoid them.  The proposed trail system in BBNP represents only a tiny fraction of the accessible places in the Park.  If folks don't like hiking on trails that are shared with MTBers, there are many, many other options in the Park.
"Getting bored with your neurosis?  Drop you analyst--drop him/her like a cold potato--and make tracks for the nearest river." -Edward Abbey

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2012, 07:21:20 AM »


Now how about a proposal for more miles of 4wd roads :-)

I'll vote for that.  Hmm, maybe a drive out to the Chimneys for a picnic, a la the Homer Wilson family.  :evil:

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2012, 08:06:12 AM »


Now how about a proposal for more miles of 4wd roads :-)

I'll vote for that.  Hmm, maybe a drive out to the Chimneys for a picnic, a la the Homer Wilson family.  :evil:
Yep, their are plenty of old roads, clearly visible in Google Earth that could be cairned for at least the purpose of hiking trails. As an example, there is a road from Oak Creek that heads north and winds around the base of the foothills to Ash Spring and probably continues on to the old Burnham place, who were neighbors of the Wilsons.
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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2012, 08:29:55 AM »
This is nothing....up here in CO our "multi-use" trails are hiking/mountain biking/equestrian/dirt bike/ATV in some parks!

Imagine taking a leisurely hike in a beautiful, serene forested area with the little birdies singing, chomping on your preferred energy bar of choice (mine is a good ol' Payday)....and a friggin dirt bike whizzes past you out of nowhere, never slowing down, and scares the partially digested energy bar of choice out of you!  :icon_eek: There's really not much warning. You would think you could hear them coming for a long time, but not necessarily...or perhaps it's that I have old lady ears?  :eusa_think:

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #43 on: May 18, 2012, 11:28:29 PM »
This is nothing....up here in CO our "multi-use" trails are hiking/mountain biking/equestrian/dirt bike/ATV in some parks!

Imagine taking a leisurely hike in a beautiful, serene forested area with the little birdies singing, chomping on your preferred energy bar of choice (mine is a good ol' Payday)....and a friggin dirt bike whizzes past you out of nowhere, never slowing down, and scares the partially digested energy bar of choice out of you!  :icon_eek: There's really not much warning. You would think you could hear them coming for a long time, but not necessarily...or perhaps it's that I have old lady ears?  :eusa_think:

Damn, thats pretty skeered if you squeezed that payday out after chewing and swallowing.  I wondered what it was I saw, I'll put'r in neutral next time and coast by.  :eusa_whistle:

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #44 on: May 19, 2012, 09:22:56 AM »
It's not like the place is going to be overrun by mountain bikers, probably have a rally once a year - which will be good economic stimulus money for the area.    It's not located near a MSA like San Antonio or anything with a million plus people hungry for someplace to go mountain biking.  When I lived in Austin, the Bull Creek, Green Belt, etc. were open to mountain bikers - I hiked and mountain biked around there - no issue.  Emma Long was wild - very tough mountain biking - also shared with motorbikes, rarely ever encountered one, but you could hear them before they saw you.  I miss the vast trails of Austin.

I'm all for it as they are taxpayers too and taxpayers keep BIBE running with their tax dollars.

I dont' think I've ever encountered a mountain biker out there - I have encountered numerous road / touring bikers on the roads - going up the basin road on a mountain bike - it sure didn't look like the ole boy was having a good time.
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