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Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail

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Offline VivaTerlingua

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2012, 09:54:25 AM »
It's not like they're converting an existing trail to a mountain biking trail.  They're putting in a mountain bike trail in a generally unused area of the park.  I fail to see how people riding bikes on this trail is going to affect anybody's enjoyment of any of the existing trails.

I've ridden the Contrabando loop in the state park several times,  the trail and surrounding vegetation looks no worse than an any of the hiking trails in the national park.  In fact many of the trails in the national park have unnatural features such as retaining walls and culverts.  I've not seen these things on a mountain bike trail.

I enjoy both activities and when I am hiking I would prefer not to encounter a mountain bike, but have no problem with a trail built for biking.

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Offline Ay Chihuahua!

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #46 on: June 17, 2014, 12:57:46 PM »
Hey, has anybody heard anything new about the MTB trail?

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #47 on: June 17, 2014, 01:34:04 PM »
The NPS website doesn't seem to have any new info on it. Some of the original notices are still online, and as usual, there are some busted links.  :icon_rolleyes:

Where can I ride my mountain bike? Or, do you have mountain bike trails?
Mountain bikes are allowed on all roads in the park, but they are NOT allowed on trails or cross-country. The Old Ore Road is one of the best dirt roads for biking. There are also good mountain bike trails outside of the park around Terlingua and Lajitas.  more: http://www.nps.gov/bibe/planyourvisit/biking.htm

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Offline Ay Chihuahua!

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #48 on: June 18, 2014, 10:15:47 AM »
I'm not finding much either.  What I do find is from a while back.  I was hoping someone here might have an update.  Thanks for looking, Richard.

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #49 on: June 18, 2014, 12:00:21 PM »
I asked about it in January (at PJ) and was told that it had been started (awhile back) but not completed.  The staff I spoke to didnít know if it would ever be completed.  I was told the trail was going to circle the small mountain just north of PJ (sorry I donít know the name).  The partial trail runs along the east side of the mountain.  You can see part of the trail from the road.

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Offline Ranger Tim

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #50 on: June 18, 2014, 01:57:43 PM »
Lone Mountain, just West of PJ is the designated location. As far as I have heard, it has stalled largely as the result of pressure from the local Sierra Club chapter,... not sure if that is just hearsay or not.

From my own personal experience, mountain bikers represent about the lightest impact on surrounding resources of any trail user group. While I worked in AZ, the organization I worked for was contracted to evaluate potential impacts associated with the expansion of Walnut Canyon National Monument outside Flagstaff. During that project we identified a number of sensitive riparian zones and archeological sites in close association with the AZ Trail and other social trails used by hikers, equestrians, and MTBs. The equestrian-heavy trails showed major impacts to springs and riparian resources and the hiker-heavy trails showed heavy collection impacts on archeological sites. The MTB-predominant trails demonstrated very little impact to either riparian or cultural resources, probably because mountain bikers are mor focused on navigating the trail itself than the surrounding environs. Thus, from a resource impact standpoint, we found that mountain bikers represent the least impact of any user group, especially on trails constructed for that expressed purpose.

Full disclosure: I am a mountain biker. I also ride horses and hike. At BBRSP, we try to accomodate all user groups where possible, but we are also young enough of a park to be flexible on such issues. I certainly hope (more for the community than myself) that BIBE can open the Lone Mountain Loop to riders in the near future. Mountain bikers spend money like every other user group and, as a sport, mountain biking is not a fad and will be around for quite some time to come.
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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2014, 03:50:29 PM »
I can see the trail from 385 near headqaurters. Ripping up a nice piece of Lone Mountain for bicycles makes no sense when there are roads already in place and there is boocoo singletrack in the state park. Whoever allowed this to happen needs to be fired.

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #52 on: June 26, 2014, 09:17:56 AM »
There are many shareholders in the park and cyclists have just as much right to representation as hikers and equestirans. There are close to a hundred miles of multiuse trails in the state park, but it is exactly that,... the state park. A single comprimise to the general exclusion of trail bikes will not forever shatter the calm of the Big Bend.
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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #53 on: June 26, 2014, 09:30:42 AM »
There are many shareholders in the park and cyclists have just as much right to representation as hikers and equestirans. There are close to a hundred miles of multiuse trails in the state park, but it is exactly that,... the state park. A single comprimise to the general exclusion of trail bikes will not forever shatter the calm of the Big Bend.

So you think that creating a 2 mile long visible scar on pristine landscape in a National Park to benefit a few bicyclists is ok?

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #54 on: June 26, 2014, 10:16:20 AM »
There are many shareholders in the park and cyclists have just as much right to representation as hikers and equestirans. There are close to a hundred miles of multiuse trails in the state park, but it is exactly that,... the state park. A single comprimise to the general exclusion of trail bikes will not forever shatter the calm of the Big Bend.

So you think that creating a 2 mile long visible scar on pristine landscape in a National Park to benefit a few bicyclists is ok?

If I remember correctly, the proposed bike path was slated to mostly follow a network of old road beds from the pre-Park days.

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #55 on: June 26, 2014, 01:48:28 PM »
There are many shareholders in the park and cyclists have just as much right to representation as hikers and equestirans. There are close to a hundred miles of multiuse trails in the state park, but it is exactly that,... the state park. A single comprimise to the general exclusion of trail bikes will not forever shatter the calm of the Big Bend.

So you think that creating a 2 mile long visible scar on pristine landscape in a National Park to benefit a few bicyclists is ok?
It's exactly this type of thinking that could, in the end, destroy national parks and other federally protected lands.  The all-or-nothing crowd, who have typically gotten their way, would have a system that continually excludes certain groups like mountain bikers.  If you keep excluding, you're going make yourself a minority and send groups like mountain bikers into the waiting arms of the pavers, the drillers, and everybody else who wants a piece of the pie. 

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #56 on: June 26, 2014, 04:26:54 PM »


So you think that creating a 2 mile long visible scar on pristine landscape in a National Park to benefit a few bicyclists is ok?

Two miles of single track? I'm OK with it. I don't view the trails that hikers use as scars. I worry more about irresponsible riders and the damage they do.
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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #57 on: June 27, 2014, 08:56:37 AM »


So you think that creating a 2 mile long visible scar on pristine landscape in a National Park to benefit a few bicyclists is ok?

Two miles of single track? I'm OK with it. I don't view the trails that hikers use as scars. I worry more about irresponsible riders and the damage they do.

No, the trail is over 5 miles long supposedly, 2 or more of which are on the east side of Lone Mtn and it looks like someone took a bulldozer to the the entire lenght on the east side. It's disgusting that this was done. I have driven by it twice in the last month. Sickening. I thought the park svc was supposed to preserve views. Guess someone forgot the mission.

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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #58 on: July 02, 2014, 09:08:21 AM »
There are many shareholders in the park and cyclists have just as much right to representation as hikers and equestirans. There are close to a hundred miles of multiuse trails in the state park, but it is exactly that,... the state park. A single comprimise to the general exclusion of trail bikes will not forever shatter the calm of the Big Bend.

So you think that creating a 2 mile long visible scar on pristine landscape in a National Park to benefit a few bicyclists is ok?
It's exactly this type of thinking that could, in the end, destroy national parks and other federally protected lands.  The all-or-nothing crowd, who have typically gotten their way, would have a system that continually excludes certain groups like mountain bikers.  If you keep excluding, you're going make yourself a minority and send groups like mountain bikers into the waiting arms of the pavers, the drillers, and everybody else who wants a piece of the pie.

Sounds like roughly the same dilemma that Stephen Mather faced in gaining enough support for the park system to succeed.
 
http://www.pbs.org/nationalparks/history/ep4/
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Re: Big Bend National Park Proposal To Develop Multi-Use Biking Trail
« Reply #59 on: July 02, 2014, 03:09:01 PM »
There are many shareholders in the park and cyclists have just as much right to representation as hikers and equestirans. There are close to a hundred miles of multiuse trails in the state park, but it is exactly that,... the state park. A single comprimise to the general exclusion of trail bikes will not forever shatter the calm of the Big Bend.

So you think that creating a 2 mile long visible scar on pristine landscape in a National Park to benefit a few bicyclists is ok?
It's exactly this type of thinking that could, in the end, destroy national parks and other federally protected lands.  The all-or-nothing crowd, who have typically gotten their way, would have a system that continually excludes certain groups like mountain bikers.  If you keep excluding, you're going make yourself a minority and send groups like mountain bikers into the waiting arms of the pavers, the drillers, and everybody else who wants a piece of the pie.

Sounds like roughly the same dilemma that Stephen Mather faced in gaining enough support for the park system to succeed.
 
http://www.pbs.org/nationalparks/history/ep4/

Interesting article.  Here's another about NPS plans from the current issue of Outside Magazine.

National Parks Are About to Get Way More Fun

 


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