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Chisos Lodge Building Problems

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Offline Jim

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Chisos Lodge Building Problems
« on: March 06, 2019, 06:31:19 PM »
This recent news release from the park indicates the Chisos Lodge building apparently has some rather significant cracks and problems with the foundation and the soil beneath - enough that the search for a new concessionaire was put on hold until they figure out what to do.  I do remember seeing some cracks in the floor back in January.  The report says " the building is not at risk of catastrophic failure".  Thank goodness!

https://www.nps.gov/bibe/learn/news/solicitation-for-new-lodge-contract-cancelled.htm

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Re: Chisos Lodge Building Problems
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2019, 06:42:16 PM »
I wonder what has changed under the lodge recently, been there since the 60's.
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Offline dprather

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Re: Chisos Lodge Building Problems
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2019, 06:44:01 PM »
Water leaks are a common culprit.
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Re: Chisos Lodge Building Problems
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2019, 08:43:10 PM »
Following the links to the reports:
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Summary of Findings  Key points resulting from our investigation, analysis, and drawing review that are relevant to the  cracking, settlement, and movement noted are listed and discussed below:  •  Cracking and settlement or heave (uplift) effects started shortly after completion of the building. •  No actual structural damage to primary building support elements (foundations, columns, beams, purlins) has been   noted.
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Potential Causes  The primary cause of the distress noted appears to be the expansive soils. However additional  related causes include poor compaction below slabs (confirmed at the loading dock, probable at  the building), the duct penetration through the stem wall at the intersection of the north wall   of the Dining Room and the Kitchen, and the removal of soil at the north side of the retaining wall  at the north side of the loading dock.  The history of building cracking and distress is quite clear. What is not fully clear at this time   is the cause of the apparent recent movements in the north end of the building. Are they related to recent and ongoing changes in the moisture content of the soil or other potential causes noted above?

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Re: Chisos Lodge Building Problems
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2019, 10:12:22 AM »
They should call someone from San Antonio. The "slab raising" business there is doing well

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Offline blubear

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Re: Chisos Lodge Building Problems
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2019, 05:29:26 PM »
from Terlingua Moon dated 3-12-19

BIG BEND NATIONAL PARK, TX –Today, the National Park Service (NPS) cancelled the solicitation for a new concession contract (# CC-BIBE002-19), which provides lodging, food and beverage, automobile fuel, retail, RV park, and other visitor services within Big Bend National Park. Cancelling the solicitation follows the recent receipt of an engineering report to examine the extent of the instability of the soils beneath the Chisos Mountains Lodge (Lodge). Additional analysis and a planning effort, with public input, will be required to determine feasibility and options to remediate the problem in a manner that is financially and environmentally sustainable over the long-term Existing dining and retail services, and overnight accommodations in the Chisos Basin, will continue without interruption. Additional info: https://www.nps.gov/bibe/learn/news/chisos-lodge-engineering-reports.htm

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Re: Chisos Lodge Building Problems
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2019, 05:59:02 PM »
What is the connection between the cancellation of solicitation for a new concession contract and the findings of the reports on structural damage to Restaurant building due to settling? Probably overlooking something, but it is not clear to me...  :eusa_think:

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Offline Quatro

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Re: Chisos Lodge Building Problems
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2019, 06:33:55 PM »
I'm guessing that the uncertainty involving possible partial closures during remediation would throw so much cash flow uncertainty into the bidding process that some bidders would either not bid or low ball the bid. 
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Offline marufo

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Re: Chisos Lodge Building Problems
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2019, 09:28:58 PM »
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What is the connection between the cancellation of solicitation for a new concession contract and the findings of the reports on structural damage to Restaurant building due to settling?
My impression is that the NPS was, ahem, less than forthcoming about the needed repairs to the point that they would have been on the losing end of a potential lawsuit... :eusa_shhh:

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Offline Flash

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Re: Chisos Lodge Building Problems
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2019, 09:48:56 PM »
Of course, thanks, guys! Then it is the potential for business interruption that is the main connection here.

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Offline Lance

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Re: Chisos Lodge Building Problems
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2019, 01:03:01 PM »
Not exactly related to foundation issues, but we were in the Basin Lodge on Saturday morning (3/17/19) and the power went out several times while we were eating breakfast.  When we left it was still out. It appears the old Lodge is getting long in the tooth.

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Re: Chisos Lodge Building Problems
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2019, 01:48:44 PM »
Not exactly related to foundation issues, but we were in the Basin Lodge on Saturday morning (3/17/19) and the power went out several times while we were eating breakfast.  When we left it was still out. It appears the old Lodge is getting long in the tooth.
I saw lots of FB posts about power outages in Terlingua/Study Butte over the weekend. Probably related.

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Re: Chisos Lodge Building Problems
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2019, 09:46:33 PM »
Not exactly related to foundation issues, but we were in the Basin Lodge on Saturday morning (3/17/19) and the power went out several times while we were eating breakfast.  When we left it was still out. It appears the old Lodge is getting long in the tooth.

"It appears the old Lodge is getting long in the tooth."  -  Aren't we all ?

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Re: Chisos Lodge Building Problems
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2019, 07:17:07 AM »
This is probably an unpopular opinion but I'd like to see the NPS raze everything (especially those Rio Grande motel room atrocities) except the Emory Peak rooms and Roosevelt stone cottages and rebuild something more cohesive and aesthetically pleasing than the mishmash of structures that are there now, perhaps similar in style to the Arizona Biltmore.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2019, 07:24:39 AM by Owl »

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Re: Chisos Lodge Building Problems
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2019, 09:03:44 AM »
Not exactly related to foundation issues, but we were in the Basin Lodge on Saturday morning (3/17/19) and the power went out several times while we were eating breakfast.  When we left it was still out. It appears the old Lodge is getting long in the tooth.
I saw lots of FB posts about power outages in Terlingua/Study Butte over the weekend. Probably related.

We had a huge windstorm Tuesday night (I think).  It caused a lot of power outages in Study Butte as well as issues in PJ. I never heard if there were issues in the Basin.

 


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