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International Park, revisited

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Offline presidio

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Re: International Park, revisited
« Reply #45 on: August 17, 2010, 11:51:19 AM »
Contrary to the initial comments and given this discussion  applies to the International Park Initiative. Elks have inhabited Mexico for the past 20,000 years, according to the evidence depicted in  petroglyph's on different granite walls of, in this case in the Sierra del Burro Range,Sierra Madre Valle Colombia, Sierra Maderas del Carmen. This is pertaining to the State of Coahuila (Mexico) alone.


Well, that was my assumption (that elk were endemic) but that link I found indicated otherwise. However, curiously, it was the only such reference that popped up on a search. So, despite the fact the article says it was 'peer reviewed', that perhaps does not equal accuracy nor mean competence.

I'm happy to revert to my original position.

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Re: International Park, revisited
« Reply #46 on: August 17, 2010, 02:30:41 PM »
Merrimans Elk were native to the mountain regions of Texas and I would bet a hundred bucks they were native to the Mexican mountains as well. My understanding is they were hunted to extinction, the fact that CEMEX is breeding and reintroducing them does my heart good. I have heard them in the Guadalupes and have heard of them around Ft Davis, so it's not too big of a reach to think they might be moving into other areas.

Thanks for the replies, it is what I had assumed.

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Re: International Park, revisited
« Reply #47 on: August 17, 2010, 02:45:16 PM »



Well, that was my assumption (that elk were endemic) but that link I found indicated otherwise. However, curiously, it was the only such reference that popped up on a search. So, despite the fact the article says it was 'peer reviewed', that perhaps does not equal accuracy nor mean competence.

I'm happy to revert to my original position.

I have never doubted that elk werent native to the area at one time, my question was are the ones we see now native to the area. It appears they were re-introduced which I am very happy for. I guess after 80 years we could consider the re-introduced population native.  :eusa_think:

In my opinion science lends to little credence on oral history and seems to want hard proof of things which cant be proven Just because we look across the southwest and proclaim it el desplobado science shouldnt assume it was always that way.
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Re: International Park, revisited
« Reply #48 on: August 17, 2010, 02:50:12 PM »
Homero, thank you for the reference on the book. I will try to find a way to score a copy. (kinda pricey)

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« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2010, 06:38:19 PM »
Hell of a bibliography, so you are claiming that there are Elk in Mexico, today, being reintroduced/breeded  by CEMEX? Is that correct?

Let me add I hope it's true. Certainly they were there once.
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 Yes sir, I am!!!...get the Libro The Call of The Mountains...trust me, worth every penny.


Merrimans Elk were native to the mountain regions of Texas and I would bet a hundred bucks they were native to the Mexican mountains as well. My understanding is they were hunted to extinction, the fact that CEMEX is breeding and reintroducing them does my heart good. I have heard them in the Guadalupes and have heard of them around Ft Davis, so it's not too big of a reach to think they might be moving into other areas.

Thanks for the replies, it is what I had assumed.

 Right on all accounts, but the reintroduction programs have been in effect since 1994, when CEMEX picked up the spread. I have to say that NOT ONLY CEMEX is involved in this, there are many rich ranch owners in the high Sierras who have put aside many hectares of land to this purpose. Private Funds...and some federal participation as well working as we speak.

 I need to get out there and do a trip report...... Rancho Cimarron ..... Rancho Buena Vista ....... Rancho El Fortin. This is just to name a few, there area many many more. All with in a days drive from CEMEX's El Carmen Project.


In my opinion science lends to little credence on oral history and seems to want hard proof of things which cant be proven Just because we look across the southwest and proclaim it el desplobado science shouldnt assume it was always that way.

 I have no comment here..just offer you some reflection for some personal conclusion. There is more than El Despoblado than meets the eye, I tell you.

Homero, thank you for the reference on the book. I will try to find a way to score a copy. (kinda pricey)

 I agree...I have seen cheaper ones in Amazon.com
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Re: International Park, revisited
« Reply #50 on: August 18, 2010, 08:34:43 AM »
It seems to be......Mr. Rare and Lucky man, :icon_lol:...a book very difficult to put it down. Buena Suerte to you all.

 To add a note to your comment: Recently, i wrote B.P. McKinney El Carmen's head project administrator referring to your pictures and such. He wrote me back that not only he forwarded the link to some of his contacts, but that your pictures were very rare. There are little on line pictures such as yours. Again, a treasure. :eusa_clap:....... :notworthy:
Stay thirsty, my friends.

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Re: International Park, revisited
« Reply #51 on: August 18, 2010, 11:06:27 PM »
If it still tickles your fancy...check out Rancho La Escondida ,nestled deep in the Burro Range. Very Difficult to access it by road, highly recommended to fly to it. Enjoy.
Stay thirsty, my friends.

 


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