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National Park Service may acquire Christmas Mountains

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Offline badknees

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Re: National Park Service may acquire Christmas Mountains
« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2007, 11:06:39 AM »
OK, I've Emailed the GLO expressing my displeasure, my Senator asking him to look into it (didn't bother with our local Rep, he's useless), talked to the local Audubon,Sierra,Nature Conservancy people, and the local paper.
Have you raised any Cain today??

Might want to check with the NRA to see if they can sway Patterson.  Serious.  What's the problem about not hunting in National Parks or more specifically Big Bend?  It's not like there are not a Brazillon acres of public land out there for hunting in West Texas?  BGWMA is primarily a hunters paradise.  BBRSP holds specific hunts, etc.  What's the problem with not being able to carry a loaded gun out at Big Bend National Park?    I don't have a problem with it.  Good question might be, when was the last time that "deep pockets" Patterson went hunting on public land in the first place or even visited a National Park or a state park for that matter.

 


I think the gun/hunting issue is a smokescreen. No matter who ultimately controls this land, Joe/Josephine Public will never hunt on it unless it is a WMA and there are management hunts. So Mr. Patterson is standing up for the rights of hunters that will never get an opportunity! Heck, the highest bidder in the last round stated he we would not even allow limited public access.

Maybe we should follow the money?

The 2nd ammendment infringement in the NP is a separate issue and we are all entitled to our opinion.

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Offline Roy

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Re: National Park Service may acquire Christmas Mountains
« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2007, 02:34:18 PM »
Getting more feedback from several sources, including GLO.  Things may not be quite as "advertised" in some of the articles I've read.  Recommend  "keep your powder dry", but ease up a little on the panic button. 

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Offline rgibson

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Re: National Park Service may acquire Christmas Mountains
« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2007, 04:48:21 PM »
Update on my open records request for a contact method other than sending the other two board members a letter to the GLO and they will give them any letters at the next board meeting.

Originally, GLO said they would give me the info on the statute time of seven days.

Recd email today, saying there had been a delay and now to expect to receive it on Oct 31  (the day of the bids and meeting).

Answered in pleasant, but firm tone, that Oct 31 was not acceptable.

See what happens tomorrow. 

Sent the request when the the partition was being signed asking Perry and AG Abbott to direct their appointees to straighten up.  Knew what Perry and Abbotts was going to be, so went ahead to try to find a way to contact these folks.  Seems strange that it is not public information without a lenghty freedom of information request!!!

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SHANEA

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Re: National Park Service may acquire Christmas Mountains
« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2007, 10:02:14 AM »
Interesting notion that I picked up on the Terlingua Islands yahoo group, that if somehow the NPS got the Christmas Mountains included in BIBE, then this could be a real boon for Terlingua Ranch, especially the lodge and restaurant - in that there might be increased visitation.  From what I gather, the Terlingua Ranch lodge and restaurant are not a profitable business. 

Also, why it might be called the Christmas Mountains, in case you were wondering...

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I heard they called it Christmas Mountains because early residents
rode up there to cut their little Christmas trees... It was the same
out in the plains,, there were always a few little draws that had
juniper or pinon trees where people knew they could find a little bit
of seasonal greenery for their Christmas decorations.... buck

This is what the Handbook of Texas online says...

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CHRISTMAS MOUNTAINS. The Christmas Mountains are twelve miles northeast of Terlingua in southern Brewster County (at 2926' N, 10327' W). With an elevation of 5,728 feet above sea level, the highest peak in the mountains rises 2,050 feet above the Terlingua Ranch Lodge, a mile northeast. The area's shallow, stony soils support oak, juniper, mesquite, chaparral, cacti, scrub brush, and grasses.

and another opinion article on the proposed sale..

Keep Mountains Public

and other opinion piece from the Alpine Avalanche  It's from Fran Sage whom I believe is active with the Sierra Club out that way...

also, an article from Sul Ross... - also has a great pic there...
« Last Edit: October 28, 2007, 10:17:22 AM by SHANEA »

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SHANEA

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Re: National Park Service may acquire Christmas Mountains
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2007, 10:11:41 AM »
Update on my open records request for a contact method other than sending the other two board members a letter to the GLO and they will give them any letters at the next board meeting.

I was thinking, I bet the politicos and power mungers really have a distaste for the Internet, that Al Gore invented  :cheesy: with how easy it is to disseminate information and keep an eye on what they are doing.  It's so easy to be a muck raker these days...  10-20 years ago, these deals would have gone through and it would be over with, the ink dried, before the public knew about it.

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Offline STARLITDARKNESS3

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Re: National Park Service may acquire Christmas Mountains
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2007, 09:37:09 AM »
I've looked online and cant find anything new on the Christmas mountains.... anyone know anything?
"Are we there yet?"  ... by my Kids

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SHANEA

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Re: National Park Service may acquire Christmas Mountains
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2007, 11:31:22 AM »
I've looked online and cant find anything new on the Christmas mountains.... anyone know anything?

Nope.  Stalemate.  Just have to wait and see what the land board decides on the 6th of November.  Patterson is firm that he is not backing away from the sale.  Patterson is firm that he will not allow NPS to acquire it over hunting provisions.  Will be interesting to see who shows up to bids.  Let me assure you, there is a lot going on underneath the hood if not between the sheets, so to speak, regarding this. 

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SHANEA

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Re: National Park Service may acquire Christmas Mountains
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2007, 12:19:10 PM »
And the winner is... Big Bend, or Private Interests? You Decide. CLICK THIS LINK TO SEND A MESSAGE TO GOVERNOR PERRY AND COMMISSIONER PATTERSON

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And the winner is... Big Bend, or Private Interests? You Decide.

Sold, to the Superintendent in the wide-brimmed hat. If only, but there's still time to make this a reality if we act now. In 1991, the Conservation Fund and the Richard King Mellon Foundation donated more than 9,000 acres of land to the state of Texas. Now, Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson is auctioning off the land to private interests. The Park Service would like to add Christmas Mountains to Big Bend, but the Commissioner isn't interested. Instead, he wants to sell to private interests, an action that poses a threat to protection of the area. The land should be used for its intended purposes--conservation and preservation--not commercialization. Tell Governor Perry that Christmas Mountains is not for sale!


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SHANEA

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Re: National Park Service may acquire Christmas Mountains
« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2007, 12:20:12 PM »
Click this link to Contact the Governor

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Governor Rick Perry and his staff welcome your comments and concerns.

To send your message to the Governor, please use the form below.

Please be aware that all information (except your email address) that you submit on the form below is subject to public disclosure under the Texas Public Information Act.

The Public Information Coordinator (PIC) handles requests for documents pursuant to the Texas Public Information Act (PIA), Section 552.008 and 552.264, Government Code. Individuals requesting documents maintained by the Office of the Governor under the PIA should submit those requests to the PIC.

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Re: National Park Service may acquire Christmas Mountains
« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2007, 02:43:58 PM »
Done and done.
I'll be the jump start for the car parked in your mind, 'Cause you left the lights on all night long.

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Re: National Park Service may acquire Christmas Mountains
« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2007, 04:03:35 PM »
 I would not support that solution.
I'll be the jump start for the car parked in your mind, 'Cause you left the lights on all night long.

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Re: National Park Service may acquire Christmas Mountains
« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2007, 06:02:21 PM »
I would not support that solution.

To each his own. The BLM is a much easier agency to deal with than the NPS, they don't slap fees on everything you do, don't hold your hand and don't try to regulate you to death. Given a choice, I go to BLM land first, USFS second and NPS last or not at all....except for Big Bend.
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Re: National Park Service may acquire Christmas Mountains
« Reply #43 on: November 02, 2007, 01:13:08 AM »
I would not support that solution.

To each his own. The BLM is a much easier agency to deal with than the NPS, they don't slap fees on everything you do, don't hold your hand and don't try to regulate you to death. Given a choice, I go to BLM land first, USFS second and NPS last or not at all....except for Big Bend.

I think the NPS does a fine job. I don't feel oppressed by park rules. My first choice is that the land becomes part of Big Bend.
I'll be the jump start for the car parked in your mind, 'Cause you left the lights on all night long.

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Re: National Park Service may acquire Christmas Mountains
« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2007, 08:38:30 AM »
I would not support that solution.

To each his own. The BLM is a much easier agency to deal with than the NPS, they don't slap fees on everything you do, don't hold your hand and don't try to regulate you to death. Given a choice, I go to BLM land first, USFS second and NPS last or not at all....except for Big Bend.

I think the NPS does a fine job. I don't feel oppressed by park rules. My first choice is that the land becomes part of Big Bend.

One of the problems with the BLM - They manage more land with less funding than any other agency. Also they have historically managed land for resource exploitation. (I do not use the word "exploitation" in a negative context)

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