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Title: Sad news from the park
Post by: possum on June 11, 2009, 12:20:48 AM
http://www.kwes.com/global/story.asp?s=10513961 (http://www.kwes.com/global/story.asp?s=10513961)

BREWSTER COUNTY - A handful of illegal immigrants were found by Big Bend National Park Rangers. One may have been found dead just a few feet away from the group that called for help.

Investigators tell NewsWest 9, three people have been transported out of the park, two were airlifted by Carestar to Odessa and Fort Stockton and the other was taken to a local hospital. The Brewster County Sheriff's office says one of the immigrants may have died. Texas Rangers and park officials say that on Wednesday afternoon, one of the rangers found seven illegal immigrants inside the Big Bend National Park.

The Border Patrol says the group entered the U.S. earlier this week and found their way to the park. But the intense heat was too much for them, so they called for help. The search began near Fort Stockton but the immigrants were actually 100 miles south in Big Bend.

"This all started this afternoon, you know, the park's pretty remote it usually takes a long time to get here," David Elkowitz, Big Bend National Park Public Information Officer, said. "But the park has both U.S. Border Patrol and Texas Rangers stationed here and both of those groups are working. I think at this point, we're concentrating on getting people to help or a proper facility."

NewsWest 9 has learned some of those found are teenagers and others are adults. Rangers and Big Bend officials are still combing through the park
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: Lorax on June 11, 2009, 06:08:34 PM
The Big Bend in not the place to cross into this country anytime, but now is surely not the time to attempt it.  The smuggler must have been as desperate as the El Salvadoran immigrants.
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: chisos_muse on June 11, 2009, 08:34:43 PM
http://www.kwes.com/global/story.asp?s=10513961 (http://www.kwes.com/global/story.asp?s=10513961)

BREWSTER COUNTY - A handful of illegal immigrants were found by Big Bend National Park Rangers. One may have been found dead just a few feet away from the group that called for help.

Investigators tell NewsWest 9, three people have been transported out of the park, two were airlifted by Carestar to Odessa and Fort Stockton and the other was taken to a local hospital. The Brewster County Sheriff's office says one of the immigrants may have died. Texas Rangers and park officials say that on Wednesday afternoon, one of the rangers found seven illegal immigrants inside the Big Bend National Park.

The Border Patrol says the group entered the U.S. earlier this week and found their way to the park. But the intense heat was too much for them, so they called for help. The search began near Fort Stockton but the immigrants were actually 100 miles south in Big Bend.

"This all started this afternoon, you know, the park's pretty remote it usually takes a long time to get here," David Elkowitz, Big Bend National Park Public Information Officer, said. "But the park has both U.S. Border Patrol and Texas Rangers stationed here and both of those groups are working. I think at this point, we're concentrating on getting people to help or a proper facility."

NewsWest 9 has learned some of those found are teenagers and others are adults. Rangers and Big Bend officials are still combing through the park


Eh?  :eusa_think:
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: presidio on June 11, 2009, 09:13:06 PM
http://www.kwes.com/global/story.asp?s=10513961 (http://www.kwes.com/global/story.asp?s=10513961)

BREWSTER COUNTY - A handful of illegal immigrants were found by Big Bend National Park Rangers. One may have been found dead just a few feet away from the group that called for help.

Investigators tell NewsWest 9, three people have been transported out of the park, two were airlifted by Carestar to Odessa and Fort Stockton and the other was taken to a local hospital. The Brewster County Sheriff's office says one of the immigrants may have died. Texas Rangers and park officials say that on Wednesday afternoon, one of the rangers found seven illegal immigrants inside the Big Bend National Park.

The Border Patrol says the group entered the U.S. earlier this week and found their way to the park. But the intense heat was too much for them, so they called for help. The search began near Fort Stockton but the immigrants were actually 100 miles south in Big Bend.

"This all started this afternoon, you know, the park's pretty remote it usually takes a long time to get here," David Elkowitz, Big Bend National Park Public Information Officer, said. "But the park has both U.S. Border Patrol and Texas Rangers stationed here and both of those groups are working. I think at this point, we're concentrating on getting people to help or a proper facility."

NewsWest 9 has learned some of those found are teenagers and others are adults. Rangers and Big Bend officials are still combing through the park


Eh?  :eusa_think:

Don't fret. It's just the latest in competent reporting by professional media employees who took time to thoroughly research and understand what they were writing about. It all occurred in the same timeframe as it took to write the article.

For example, it's highly unlikely any Texas Rangers are stationed in the park, especially since there aren't that many and they have zero jurisdiction inside the park. Now, if this well-informed reporter had said Park Rangers, then I would believe that. Of course, I guess in a parallel universe if a park ranger is stationed in TX he/she could be technically called a Texas Ranger. Somehow I think the real Texas Rangers would be offended.
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: chisos_muse on June 11, 2009, 09:16:54 PM
LOL, true dat, but I just wanna know how they "called" for help?
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: presidio on June 11, 2009, 09:43:49 PM
LOL, true dat, but I just wanna know how they "called" for help?

Seriously, it could be anything from waving and yelling to one of the illegals actually having a cell or sat phone, or someone passing by saw them and they made the call. With the displayed level of reporting we'll probably never know.
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: chisos_muse on June 11, 2009, 09:50:48 PM
LOL, true dat, but I just wanna know how they "called" for help?

Seriously, it could be anything from waving and yelling to one of the illegals actually having a cell or sat phone, or someone passing by saw them and they made the call. With the displayed level of reporting we'll probably never know.


You mean like something reminiscent of the old Prince spaghetti commercials with the old Italian woman yelling "Anthony" from her balcony?  :eusa_doh:
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: possum on June 11, 2009, 10:02:46 PM
From the Odessa American

http://www.oaoa.com/news/group-32218-border-brooks.html (http://www.oaoa.com/news/group-32218-border-brooks.html)
Border patrol finds missing people
June 10, 2009 - 4:26 PM
ODESSA AMERICAN

One man was found dead late Wednesday after a group of seven suspected illegal immigrants, including three men and four children, were stranded in the Big Bend National Park, U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman Bill Brooks said.

National Park Service officers found two men and four children after one of them managed to call the Alpine Police Department for help Wednesday morning.

While they were found in the park later that morning, the search for the seventh member of the group continued until a pilot found the man's body lying about 14 or 15 miles away from the Rio Grande.

Brooks said the National Parks Service was handling the man who was found dead inside the park.

Big Bend park spokesman David Elkowitz said the group was found southeast of Panther Junction, near where the park headquarters is located. Park officials were still investigating the seventh man's death and said he did not have any further information Wednesday evening on what they would do with the man's body.

Brooks said a 15-year-old girl with the group was in critical condition. Brooks said he was not sure what kind of injuries the teen had, but border patrol paramedics took her to Marathon before a CareStar helicopter flew her to Medical Center Hospital in Odessa. Another man was taken to a hospital in Fort Stockton in "very serious" condition.

The other four were taken to the Customs and Border Protection station in Alpine where they were being processed for entering the country illegally.

Brooks said they had reports of a group of missing people "out in the sticks" between Big Bend and Marathon. A park visitor noticed foot tracks linked to the group as early as Monday before the group reported themselves Wednesday morning. Brooks believes the group might have had a cell phone.

The search took place a day after another man was found dead in the Rio Grande near Presidio, though Brooks said that incident was not related to the search at Big Bend.
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: presidio on June 11, 2009, 10:35:03 PM
From the Odessa American

http://www.oaoa.com/news/group-32218-border-brooks.html (http://www.oaoa.com/news/group-32218-border-brooks.html)
Border patrol finds missing people
June 10, 2009 - 4:26 PM
ODESSA AMERICAN

Well, this article is a whole lot more informative and much better written.

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Brooks said they had reports of a group of missing people "out in the sticks" between Big Bend and Marathon. A park visitor noticed foot tracks linked to the group as early as Monday before the group reported themselves Wednesday morning. Brooks believes the group might have had a cell phone.

Still kind of iffy on details, but plausible. Just because you're dirt poor and illegally immigrating doesn't mean you can't have a cell phone.
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: Fred on June 12, 2009, 06:21:54 PM
It saddens me greatly to hear of men, women, and even children taking these great risks just to find work here.  I hope those that were injured can heal rapidly and can find a better life through avenues that are not so risky.  
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: partsdude on June 13, 2009, 06:23:38 PM
 I dont know about you,but my cell very RARELY works anywhere in the park.
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: Desert Rat on June 13, 2009, 06:43:07 PM
When I was in the park a couple of weeks ago I had cell service in areas I had never had it before.  My stepson never got a signal on his from the time we left Fort Stockton until we got back to it.

I nearly got thrown out of the pizza place near Terlinqua when my cell phone rang.  It showed no service when we pulled up out front so I wasn't worried about the sign prominently posted out front.  We get inside, under a metal roof, and the darn thing decides to ring which did not please the proprietor.

I got a call on the Oak Springs trail where it branches off to Cattail Falls which prompted me to turn the obnoxious thing off for several hours.
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: Ay Chihuahua! on June 15, 2009, 04:49:26 PM


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Big Bend National Park News Release

MULTIPLE RESCUES AND A FATALITY IN BIG BEND NATIONAL PARK (http://www.nps.gov/bibe/parknews/upload/~1105563-2.pdf)
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On Thursday, June 10, 2009, Big Bend National Park authorities received a visitor report of a
group of people needing emergency medical attention in the Dugout Wells area. National Park
EMTís, and a Border Patrol EMT stationed within the park, responded to Dugout Wells and
provided emergency care for a group of illegal immigrants who had been travelling in the over
100 degree temperatures for two days. Two people were transported by CareStar helicopter
to hospital facilities. Others in the group were provided care on-scene and taken into custody.
It is believed that this groupís trip originated from El Salvador.

On this same day, a visitor was overcome by heat on the Old Ore Terminal Trail in the Rio
Grande Village area and was rescued by park rangers. A third person working as part of a
research trip on the Lower Canyons required helicopter evacuation after being bitten by a
poisonous snake during this same evening. A Border patrol helicopter assisted with this
evacuation, as well as with one of the heat related emergency transports.

Additionally, one of the people at Dugout Wells reported that a member of their group was
unable to reach Dugout Wells and was in need of care. Rangers and Border Patrol began a
search and found the man already deceased. There was no identification found and it is
believed the deceased could be a Mexican national. Because of the possibility that the
individual was a citizen of Mexico, officials are in contact with the Mexican Consulate.

The summer months with the often high temperatures and rough terrain of the park can
combine to make the lower desert a very difficult environment for the unprepared, for those
without adequate water and supplies, or those trying to cross the park illegally. Summertime
is, however, an excellent time for park visitors to enjoy the higher and cooler Chisos Mountains
which have numerous trails and abundant shade. Also, auto touring is enjoyable on the lower
desert roads or hiking before the midday heat.

Big Bend National Parkís staff is saddened by the loss of life that occurred this past week. The
park staff wishes to thank the U.S. Border Patrol for both their on-scene care and helicopter
usage with the multi-events. In addition, a thank you for the National Park Rangers who
provided emergency care that led to the life saving rescues of two individuals at Dugout Wells.

--END--
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Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: Roy on June 15, 2009, 05:09:42 PM
Thanks for the report, Ay.  Easy to see why there was so much confusion initially.
A rough day in the park.
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: Undertaker on June 15, 2009, 05:44:55 PM
When you listen to all the world bad talking the USA, including some of our own, makes you wonder why folks are willing to risk their lives to get to the U.S. Another thing great about the U.S. is if you don't like it, nobody is keeping you from leaving.
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: Ay Chihuahua! on June 15, 2009, 06:39:53 PM
Thanks for the report, Ay.  Easy to see why there was so much confusion initially.
A rough day in the park.

No doubt...a busy day, indeed. 
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: gabbytabby on June 15, 2009, 10:49:30 PM
Well this sure explains a lot.  We were heading into the park late afternoon/early evening on the 10th and were quite surprised by the large number of border patrol vehicles coming out of the park as well as an Alpine ambulance screaming up 385.

There was a rescue along Pinnacles trail on the 12th, too.  As we were getting back to our cabin we passed a Ranger saddling up a horse and there was an ambulance backed up to the trail.  From what we overheard, it sounded like heat/dehydration related.  It's definately not the time of year to try to lighten your load by taking less water.
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: presidio on June 16, 2009, 01:15:02 AM
When you listen to all the world bad talking the USA, including some of our own, makes you wonder why folks are willing to risk their lives to get to the U.S.

Because it's the best thing going. And, any position of leadership automatically becomes a target for naysayers and complainers. It's a time-proven tactic...point fingers elsewhere so folks are distracted by the misery around them at home. Things' here ain't perfect, by any means, but it beats the alternatives by a wide margin.

But, we need to heave off the pervasive climate of fear gnawing at us ever since 9|11. A lot of things now get done in the name of 'security' that really are scary and antithetical to the kind of nation we had before that day. We've become the Chicken Littles of nations and as a result a lot of erosion of freedom has occurred. That is a scary proposition when you think about it.


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Another thing great about the U.S. is if you don't like it, nobody is keeping you from leaving.

Yep.

Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: Undertaker on June 16, 2009, 09:14:49 AM
I agree Presidio, once you give up any liberty, you will never get it back. :eusa_doh:
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: Burn Ban on June 16, 2009, 05:44:21 PM
the report ay! provided is a little disturbing.  in the midst of describing the death and emergency rescues of different parties in the park, the author (in the penultimate paragraph) feels the need to give a quick advertisement for the mountains and auto touring.

what's that?!
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: RichardM on June 16, 2009, 06:00:27 PM
the report ay! provided is a little disturbing.  in the midst of describing the death and emergency rescues of different parties in the park, the author (in the penultimate paragraph) feels the need to give a quick advertisement for the mountains and auto touring.

what's that?!
Yeah, that's a bit odd. I think they were just trying to keep the uninformed public from thinking the entire park is a death trap in the summer.
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: Undertaker on June 16, 2009, 06:31:49 PM
Simple truth is anyplace can be dangerous to you health, and it is impossible to protect the public from themselves, park is no more dangerous than backing out of your driveway. Nothing is 100%. Keep alert all the time, everywhere. :nailbitting: :nailbitting:
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: chisos_muse on June 16, 2009, 07:30:41 PM
the report ay! provided is a little disturbing.  in the midst of describing the death and emergency rescues of different parties in the park, the author (in the penultimate paragraph) feels the need to give a quick advertisement for the mountains and auto touring.

what's that?!

I totally agree...the "plug" did not fit well at all....
Title: Re: Sad news from the park
Post by: billholston on June 17, 2009, 10:56:52 AM
http://home.nps.gov/applications/morningreport/morningreportold.cfm (http://home.nps.gov/applications/morningreport/morningreportold.cfm)

Additional details:
"A twelve-year-old boy with a head laceration was taken by ambulance to Alpine. Interviews with other members of the group revealed that one of the party had been left in the desert. Agents immediately began tracking the groupís route in an effort to find him, with two helicopters searching by air. One of the pilots spotted the manís body about a mile-and-a-half east of Dug Out Wells."
The news said some were from El Salvador. Imagine if you will, how they made their way to Boquillas before crossing into the park. Hunger is a powerful thing.