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Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks

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Offline RichardM

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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2009, 02:46:01 PM »
If you are a citizen of Mexico, can you own a firearm?  I just don't feel comfortable in Mexico anymore.  I use to go into Mexico all the time, but not anymore.  I don't even feel safe camping on the Mexican side of the Rio Grande River when we go on our river trips.   :eusa_think:
Well, if you trust Wikipedia as a source, then yes, Mexican citizens can own firearms (limited to non-military type guns, e.g. .38 cal pistols and smaller, shotguns, hunting rifles).

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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2009, 03:11:02 PM »
I would of thought, they would not allow citizens to have guns......Here why we need to carry guns in national parks.........
http://newsok.com/re-establishing-two-fundamental-rights/article/3371586
« Last Edit: May 22, 2009, 03:13:19 PM by bjbriggs »

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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2009, 03:31:58 PM »
Somehow, increasing the number of readily-available weapons doesn't seem conducive to reducing random acts of violence.
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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2009, 03:43:54 PM »
It won't stop random acts of violence, but it will give you a chance to protect yourself or someone else.

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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2009, 03:45:32 PM »
As law abiding citizens the first response to anything seems to be take the guns away from the good guys and make sheep of them, again Thomas statement:"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -Thomas Jefferson, quoting  Cesare Beccaria.

And once again I say if you do not wish to carry don't, call the law, and wait. When I go out of town, I tell the wife call the fire department, "I smell smoke", they will respond in 1/10  the time of the police. Stats have proved over and over the legal carry of firearms is not the problem. Since all laws work all the time, no one will rob, rape, steal or attack anyone in fact this has never taken place because criminals obey the law. Enforce the laws you already have. This presents a problem for millions of illegal folks in this country as they knowingly violate U.S. LAW.

Final note (Military type weapons denotes what??) looks!!! All firearms are capable of killing, two of my hunting rifles, far outstrip the ability for long range accurate shooting by the very best of the so called military weapons. A flash suppressor, bayonet lug or pistol grip does not make a weapon more or less dangerous, it takes the good law abiding criminal to use anything as a weapon. I have been robbed twice in my life by folks carrying knives both happen to be black, do I want all blacks disarmed? "NO" as that would be the same argument the anti gun folks are using the gun is bad hence no one should own one. Again, don't carry if you don't wish to do so, call the cops. The wait in BiBe even if you are at a phone that works could be over one hour, but go ahead and wait.

If I am carrying legally, and see anyone I know dislikes carry by law abiding citizens, I guess I will assume you called the police, or call them for you when I reach a phone, so as not to offend.

Since you are not going to change my mind and I am not going to change yours, lets agree to disagree. Peace & Love. :eusa_dance: :eusa_dance: :eusa_dance:
« Last Edit: May 22, 2009, 03:50:01 PM by Undertaker »
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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2009, 04:15:03 PM »
Could not of said it any better.......Thanks :icon_biggrin:

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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2009, 05:21:39 PM »
Somehow, increasing the number of readily-available weapons doesn't seem conducive to reducing random acts of violence.

Look past the unreasonable fear of guns. Some people just can't seem to understand the Constitution of the United States, or choose to ignore the parts that don't suit their lifestyles/needs/desires, etc.  It's about the individuals rights of citizens and State's Rights.  
« Last Edit: May 22, 2009, 05:23:15 PM by Casa Grande »

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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2009, 05:27:03 PM »
Thanks Casa, KISS principle always works best. :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap: :eusa_clap:
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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2009, 06:01:18 PM »
Now we need the 9th and 10th ammendments to be adhered to.

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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2009, 06:36:51 PM »
It's a terrible habit I have of wanting to play devil's advocate...or at least to temper an argument. Here's my two cents worth...(if it's worth that much). I don't disagree with Casa's (and other's) point of view, but I'm not sure it's that simple. Political philosophy tends to assume 'citizens' are intelligent, responsible people. Laws and regulations are created because people aren't responsible. I would guess the majority...if not all...on this site are responsible people.... But could you say that about the populus in general...I don't know. Look at the discussion on this site about individuals littering our beloved Big Bend...about the desecration of prehistoric sites...would you put a gun in the hands of these people? For the record, I was raised in Texas and raised with guns...I'm in my 50's but started shooting with a single shot 22, balanced on my grandfather's knee when I was two. I was raised to be responsible. I raised my sons the same. We own guns, shoot guns and carry guns...I believe in individualism...and an individual's rights. But every course of action carries it's own set of consequences. Not the least of which...as Jesus pointed out...he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword...

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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2009, 06:50:32 PM »
Excellent post, enjoyed same, now if we could only get the terrorist to beat the swords into plows, might work, I might need to ask the several million Jews in world war II or some 3,000 plus that died in 911 how that worked out for them. If you look like food you will be eaten. I believe we were at peace with Japan when they struck us a Pearl Harbor.  Yep worked out OK. :eusa_whistle: :eusa_whistle: :eusa_whistle:
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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2009, 07:05:14 PM »
The people that litter and destory the prehistoric sites are the ones that don't follow the law and will carry a firearm into a national park if its a law or not.  We should have away to protect ourself , if there is a threat on your life.   :willynilly:

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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2009, 08:16:38 PM »
There are many rumors and urban legends i need to clear out on this matter. Unfortunately i will do no such thing here,again this would go against my belief of respecting this site to any Big Bend-El Carmen topics.

 Taking guns to a park or not,in my opinion does not belong to a topic worth discussing here,to each it's own. These issues can be discussed personally or on a Bender but not in here. At least that is where i stand.

 Should you want to vent out something, please PM me and will gladly debate it on a more personal channel.
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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2009, 09:38:39 PM »
In all the years I have traveled to BiBe, I have obeyed the law, and I will continue to do so. I have been visiting the park since 1966, and hope to continue doing so.  As far as I am personally concerned I have never ever felt a sense of danger in any park. Does danger exist? maybe, usually brain fade on the part of individuals who fail to prepare, water, food, etc. Would I be afraid to travel in Mexico? the answer is not really, most folks in Mexico are good decent hard working individuals trying to do the same thing we are, make a life for themselves and their families. When you or I or anyone, disrespects any law, we all loose, in my opinion disrespect for the law shows disrespect for yourself. Laws have never stopped any criminal ever, laws stop the honest man, my dad was fond of saying locks are for honest men, I agree.

Although I have the right to carry, it is a choice, up until a little over a year ago, I would sometimes not carry, had I not been carrying on that one day, I am firmly convinced I would not be here today (previous post). I know I am not a criminal, presumption is the other guy is also innocent. Peace & Love.

PS: Homero, how about another round of cooking ideas, or more trip photos.
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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2009, 10:42:39 PM »
WASHINGTON -- A new law that will allow loaded guns in national parks and wildlife refuges will not take effect until next year, the Obama administration said Friday.

President Obama signed the gun law Friday as part of a measure creating new rules for the credit card industry.

But a spokeswoman for the Interior Department said that because the credit card law will not take effect until nine months after it is signed, the gun measure also will be delayed.

Spokeswoman Kendra Barkoff said the Interior Department will follow Congress' directive and put the new firearms law into effect in late February 2010.

Bryan Faehner, associate director of the National Parks Conservation Association, praised the Interior Department's decision.

"We are pleased, because that provides more time that our parks will remain safe and free from shotguns, rifles and semiautomatic weapons," Faehner said.

"We hope that the American public and members of Congress will have more time to understand the far-reaching repercussions of this outrageous and disturbing law that has nothing to do with credit cards and will only put park visitors at risk," Faehner said.

Until February, rules adopted during the administration of President Ronald Reagan will remain in place. They severely restrict guns in the national parks, generally requiring that they be locked or stored in a glove compartment or trunk.

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