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Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks

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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2009, 12:18:48 AM »
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Bryan Faehner, associate director of the National Parks Conservation Association, praised the Interior Department's decision.

"We are pleased, because that provides more time that our parks will remain safe and free from shotguns, rifles and semiautomatic weapons," Faehner said.

It is obvious that Mr. Faehner is uniformed. I don't believe that "shotguns and rifles" are considered concealed handguns. Typical "symbolism over substance" rhetoric. At least get the facts straight if you object. Mr. Faehner needs to do his homework.

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"Families should not have to stare down loaded AK-47s on nature hikes," said Brady campaign president Paul Helmke. "The president should not remain silent while Congress inserts reckless gun policies that he strongly opposes into a bill that has nothing whatsoever to do with guns."

Mr. Helmke, another alarmist, obviously didn't read the bill either. Pretty hard to tuck an AK-47 in your waisband under a tee-shirt.


The press is also complicit in not pointing out the fallacies in this type of reckless reporting.


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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #31 on: May 23, 2009, 01:11:01 AM »
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Bryan Faehner, associate director of the National Parks Conservation Association, praised the Interior Department's decision.

"We are pleased, because that provides more time that our parks will remain safe and free from shotguns, rifles and semiautomatic weapons," Faehner said.

It is obvious that Mr. Faehner is uniformed. I don't believe that "shotguns and rifles" are considered concealed handguns. Typical "symbolism over substance" rhetoric. At least get the facts straight if you object. Mr. Faehner needs to do his homework.

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"Families should not have to stare down loaded AK-47s on nature hikes," said Brady campaign president Paul Helmke. "The president should not remain silent while Congress inserts reckless gun policies that he strongly opposes into a bill that has nothing whatsoever to do with guns."

Mr. Helmke, another alarmist, obviously didn't read the bill either. Pretty hard to tuck an AK-47 in your waisband under a tee-shirt.


The press is also complicit in not pointing out the fallacies in this type of reckless reporting.


"What country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms." (Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, Dec. 20, 1787, in Papers of Jefferson

I have never carried a gun to Big Bend and have never felt the need for one, unlike one rare occasion when traveling from our camp in the Maderas back to Boquillas and we stopped to help a "broken down" truck. Apparently the truck was not broke as it appeared.

There is no reason responsible law abiding citizens shouldn't be allowed to carry if they are also permitted by their State. 

I am, however, confused by this legislation being a priority with the current congress and Pres.  What's wrong with this picture?

Al

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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #32 on: May 23, 2009, 01:27:24 AM »
Why would you assume anyone either reads or understands anything being voted on today. The ill informed trying to be logical. Maybe if all honest, law abiding citizens were to be informed the bad folks (drug cartel) was using Big Bend to bring in drugs and terrorist, they would quit visiting the park, this of course is just as phony and the AK-47 and Shotgun issue but it could get around on the internet. Semi-auto weapons is once again a scare tactic, the current record for six shot out of a hand gun is held by a revolver, but of course the folks making fuss most likely don't know the difference. Since the park cannot warrant my family's safety (drug lords, drug war) in the park us law abiding citizens should go elsewhere with our dollars and cameras. Gosh just heard the other day the park was no longer safe pass it on. Peace & Love :eusa_dance: :eusa_dance: :eusa_dance: :eusa_dance:
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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #33 on: May 23, 2009, 09:33:25 AM »
PS: Homero, how about another round of cooking ideas, or more trip photos.

 When ever you all are ready,I have a lot to learn from you.


 What's wrong with this picture?
Al

 Just that when I logged in this morning the only topic to read was this one....looks as though there is to many issues that need to be resolved here, before we can move on to: The Where am i posts,Pictures of Ara and Spirit,Shane's Regional links...of course our addictive trip reports and star pictures.

 I will sit back and wait until this fizzles out... :icon_cry:

 The only thing I can say here is: I have guns,yes. As Richard stated a couple of posts back,we also have a right to have guns in this country.Nobody wants them,i have never ever taken them out of my house but here assault guns are the ones who got us immersed in the worst inside war this country has ever been involved,and only fueled by a lucrative,addictve,life ending,evil luring business: DRUGS!!!
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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2009, 10:34:47 AM »
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but here assault guns are the ones who got us immersed in the worst inside war this country has ever been involved,and only fueled by a lucrative,addictve,life ending,evil luring business: DRUGS!!!

It's not about guns, it's about money and greed.
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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2009, 01:03:53 PM »
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"We are pleased, because that provides more time that our parks will remain safe and free from shotguns, rifles and semiautomatic weapons," Faehner said.

wow...so incredibly clueless.  :eusa_doh:

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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2009, 11:22:17 AM »
What should we expect from lawmakers who don't or can't read the legislation they are passing, my personal guess is can't read based on quality of schools today. Next time you go to your physician or pharmacy pick one who does not read the warning on the meds they are dispensing or ordering on your prescription. Let me know how that works for you. :eusa_boohoo: :eusa_boohoo:
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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2009, 10:01:47 PM »
I think that they should allow handguns but not rifles. The Only reason I can think of that someone bring a rifle to big bend is to shoot an animal or another person, plus there not really good for self defense if you have them in your car and your in  a tent when someone holds ( admin note: :eusa_naughty: ) you at gunpoint and make you watch them break into your car and slit your tires when your at McKinney springs.(you should have brought a pistol to sleep with)
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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #38 on: June 01, 2009, 11:04:58 AM »
The park's webpage on firearms has been updated:
New regulations regarding the allowance of certain loaded firearms in national parks was passed by the US Congress in May, 2009.

The law will not go into effect until February 22, 2010.

Until that time, the current law regarding firearms at Big Bend is that all firearms be broken down, unloaded, and stored or properly cased. This regulation supercedes Texas State concealed carry firearm permits.

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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #39 on: June 01, 2009, 11:25:58 AM »

This regulation supercedes Texas State concealed carry firearm permits.


not for long!  State's rights prevail!

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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #40 on: June 01, 2009, 12:04:25 PM »
I am still amazed, nobody has figured out that criminal means outside the law, they will carry if they are intent on harm, the arguments that because the law says they can't, the criminal will not carry. Recent article in parade mag in paper Sunday, indicates that people may carry in the National Parks and no one knows. The argument promoted that long guns make the person who has one in the car is likely to poach is also a typical anti gun argument, I carry legally and I hunt legally, as do most of the folks who own guns, I have an do report poaching on my place, your argument proves the point that criminals, don't care. It is against the law to rob banks, steal (except politicians), rape and attack people, how has the laws preventing this worked for you folks. Wise up before you loose the rest of your irreplaceable liberty. Peace and Love. :eusa_dance: :eusa_dance:
 
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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #41 on: June 01, 2009, 12:17:39 PM »
I am still amazed, nobody has figured out that criminal means outside the law, they will carry if they are intent on harm, the arguments that because the law says they can't, the criminal will not carry. Recent article in parade mag in paper Sunday, indicates that people may carry in the National Parks and no one knows. The argument promoted that long guns make the person who has one in the car is likely to poach is also a typical anti gun argument, I carry legally and I hunt legally, as do most of the folks who own guns, I have an do report poaching on my place, your argument proves the point that criminals, don't care. It is against the law to rob banks, steal (except politicians), rape and attack people, how has the laws preventing this worked for you folks. Wise up before you loose the rest of your irreplaceable liberty. Peace and Love. :eusa_dance: :eusa_dance:
 

I dare you to talk about anything other than your pre-packaged NRA talking points.  I mean, really? Could you maybe even say it a different way?  It's like some weird Pavlovian reaction with you.  Just say the word "gun" and like a robot you just spew the same thing over and over.  If I felt like it, I could search all posts by Undertaker and everyone of them would read just like above.  You add absolutely nothing to this site, except to bait folks into another conversation about...guns...agai n.  Didn't Uh Clem get kicked off the site for less?

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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #42 on: June 01, 2009, 12:41:33 PM »
Odd response, I am not an NRA member, maybe I should join. Its fine if someone on this panel speaks of guns in a bad light, but I am not allowed to respond in any manner I see fit. Thought I woke up in the United States this morning.

PS: I have contributed plenty of non gun opinions to this site. If I offend you personally with one or more gun topics, tough, sucks to be you. I enjoy this site, and the vast majority of my post are non gun, how about we not allow any gun topics at all, works for me, but you will most likely find something else that P's you off. Peace and Love, God Bless (Does this offend???)

 
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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #43 on: June 01, 2009, 12:59:26 PM »
Didn't Uh Clem get kicked off the site for less?

Let's be real clear here, Ay!  Uh Clem was 'kicked off' not for disagreeing with me about gun control, he got axed for getting personal, name calling and posting remarks meant only to inflame, nothing else.  You should be very careful accusing me of kicking someone off just because I disagreed with them.  If that was the case, you would have been gone a long time ago.

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Re: Senate Backs Allowing Loaded Guns in National Parks
« Reply #44 on: June 01, 2009, 01:08:28 PM »
Didn't Uh Clem get kicked off the site for less?

Let's be real clear here, Ay!  Uh Clem was 'kicked off' not for disagreeing with me about gun control, he got axed for getting personal, name calling and posting remarks meant only to inflame, nothing else.  You should be very careful accusing me of kicking someone off just because I disagreed with them.  If that was the case, you would have been gone a long time ago.

I didn't accuse you of anything, David.  I do however see a correlation between Undertaker's posts and Uh Clem's.  Both of them have posted with the intent of inflaming the issue.  Maybe you should look at both sides.

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If that was the case, you would have been gone a long time ago.

You da man...do as you see fit.

 


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