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Quote from: RichardM on March 26, 2018, 06:00:05 PMI am working on extracting the text via Adobe Acrobat, but it is slow going.Try this. I have run the thing through Acrobat OCR.
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"Commercially available bear resistant container designed for this purpose must be utilized by backpackers where bear lockers are not provided in backcountry sites. The permittee must show the permit writer that they have canister(s) in their possession before a permit is issued."
Looks like there is one rule the NPS didn't follow, at least for a while. Are PJ and the Basin still the only VCs that issue permits?Section 2.10: Camping Backcountry Camping (a) Permits will be issued at Visitor Contact Stations park-wide. Permits may be obtained at any Visitor Center within the park.
Quote from: Peter O on March 26, 2018, 10:47:42 PM"Commercially available bear resistant container designed for this purpose must be utilized by backpackers where bear lockers are not provided in backcountry sites. The permittee must show the permit writer that they have canister(s) in their possession before a permit is issued."That sounds mostly for zone camping since most designated campsites have bear boxes and the ones that don't are for desert car camping.Sent from my SM-N950U using Big Bend Chat mobile app
At the end of the day, I agree with what Dprather said in More on Bear Canisters: “We intend to do what is expected of us and to carry a canister if that is the way it is.” But I still hope that's not the way it is.
There might be a silver lining here. If more are required to carry a bear canister, less might backpack the back country. This is a lousy, administrival way to reduce back-country numbers, but the numbers need to come down.
Okay folks, I know you've been holding your breath.
For a comparison, take a look at the Grand Canyon Compendium. https://www.nps.gov/grca/learn/management/upload/2017-grca-supt-compendium.pdfIgnoring a debate on the necessity for all the local regs at any park, the GRCA version has a mere 31 pages (same as BIBE) for a park that is 50% larger and with vastly more tourists and problems than Big Bend ever will see.Additionally, some of the GRCA document length is consumed by lucid explanations of the rationale for the rule, something Big Bend never has done, and if they did so their document likely would balloon to 50 pages. So, GRCA has fewer rules, that are far better written, and seems to be able to get by just fine with that lesser amount.
Seems kinda funny that the only place in the whole 1200 sq miles that any bear "encounters/incidents" have ever occured, are areas that have bear boxes!!!
I had noted the difference in camping radius around Mariscal Mine. When planning our Dec. trip I carefully adhered to the .5 mile radius, 2 miles would have made it nearly impossible to walk the spine of the mountain and get an additional 2 miles away. Guess the Fresno site is exempted.
Quote from: presidio on March 31, 2018, 12:40:18 PMOkay folks, I know you've been holding your breath. Actually...yes, I have. Thanks for doing this, Presidio. You do it very well.
Seems like the biggest changes are 1) requiring approved bearproof containers in the absence of NPS-installled bear boxes, and 2) actually demonstrating that users have the NPS-mandated equipment (i.e., bearproof containers, extra paddles/oars, etc.).
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