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Title: Davis Mountains Preserve - June 17
Post by: Joe on June 19, 2006, 09:05:20 PM
Instead of flying to Houston to party with my friends, I spent Saturday, June 17, at the Davis Mountains Preserve (http://www.nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/texas/preserves/art6647.html).

Here's my trip report...it was an interesting day.
 
I got up at dawn Saturday with good intentions of leaving early, but by the time I left Alpine it was almost 9 a.m.  It didn't really matter, as I wanted to relax and take it easy. It took me about an hour to drive to the Davis Mountains Preserve, trading waves with all the cars and trucks. There's a big new building there since last time I was there.  I walked in and a woman whom I've known since she used to live outside of Study Butte in 1977 was checking people in. (If you read my post about the "watch for falling cows" sign, she was the person that painted it.)  We had a nice chat, and then off I went.  
 
The Davis Mountains Preserve has a series of roads (pretty rough in places; I'm glad I had high clearance and 4-wheel drive) that wind through part of the preserve, and hiking trails that take off from the roads.  I drove as far as I could, about 5 miles, to where there are cables across the road to keep people from going any farther.
 
On the way to the end of the road I passed a windmill, and there was a feral hog trap close to it. I looked and at first thought there was a group of feral hogs in the cage, but when I looked closer I realized it was a herd of javelina. When I got closer to the trap I could see their noses were bloody, and I soon saw why - when I got close they tried to run from me but just ran into the side of the trap. I found a stick and managed to grab the wire that was connected to the inside of the gate, and opened the gate and wired it open.  They didn't make any move to leave, so I went on, thinking I would check on them on the way back.
 
It was a beautiful morning - cool, fresh air, clear blue sky, and the moon still hanging up there. I parked in the shade under the pine trees, grabbed my lunch and my binoculars, and walked a little way up the trail and found a spot carpeted with pine needles under three huge Ponderosa Pines.  I ate lunch and then lay back, closed my eyes, and took a nap.  I woke up about half an hour later to the sound of whispering pines, refreshed and ready to explore some more.  
 
I walked up a creek where the water had exposed the volcanic rock and made a series of tinajas. There was some water, but it's very, very dry here.  After a while I walked back to my car and headed back. I hadn't seen another person all day. I stopped at the feral hog trap to see if the javelina had figured out how to get out, or if I was going to have to try to herd them out.  The three big ones (males?) were gone, but the mother with her two tiny piglets was still there.  I walked around to the back of the cage, thinking she would go out the gate, but I guess her piglets wouldn't move, because she stood her ground.  
 
I've been around a lot of javelina and I've never felt threatened before, but she snapped her teeth at me and raised the hair on her back as the piglets stood under her. I wasn't worried about her getting at me since she was still in the cage, but I didn't want to stress her any more so I backed off, figuring she could get out if she wanted to.  When I checked in on the way out I told my friend about it so she could let someone know.
 
On the way back to Alpine I could see the Glass Mountains outside of Marathon, and there was a big fire burning on top of several of the peaks. I could see the smoke plume.  We had some storms in the area Friday  night (I had a pretty good light show from my house in Alpine, but no rain), so I bet lightning sparked a fire.

Saturday night I drove back out the Fort Davis highway, and I could clearly see the firelines and a few big blazes.  Sunday there was smoke hanging in the sky here. I drove out towards Marathon Sunday night and the fire was still burning, but I think it's just about burned itself out. The sunset Sunday night was very colorful, though, due to all the smoke in the air.  It looked like the western horizon was on fire.

All in all a nice weekend, and no hangover!    :lol:
Title: Davis Mountains Preserve - June 17
Post by: BigBendHiker on June 19, 2006, 09:09:54 PM
Great story, Joe!

Thanks for posting!


BBH
Title: Davis Mountains Preserve - June 17
Post by: chisos_muse on June 19, 2006, 10:40:27 PM
Thank you, Joe....your writing and experiences let us be there with you for a little while :D ....you've certainly earned your time there....
Title: WATCH OUT!
Post by: SHANEA on June 19, 2006, 11:41:00 PM
Watch out for falling cows.
(http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c222/kz5bw5/falllingcowsSmall.jpg)

Great report Joe, any pics to share?
Title: Re: WATCH OUT!
Post by: Joe on June 20, 2006, 09:40:22 AM
Quote from: "SHANEA"
Watch out for falling cows...Great report Joe, any pics to share?


As you no doubt have realized by now, I'm not much of a picture-taker  :oops:

Where in the world did you find that photo of the "watch for falling cows" sign?  I always thought my friend painted the one near Study Butte.  I'll have to ask her about it and get the story.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT!
Post by: RichardM on June 20, 2006, 10:01:59 AM
Quote from: "Joe"
Quote from: "SHANEA"
Watch out for falling cows...

Where in the world did you find that photo of the "watch for falling cows" sign?  I always thought my friend painted the one near Study Butte.  I'll have to ask her about it and get the story.

I don't know where Shane found his, but Google (http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=%22falling+cows%22&btnG=Search) found a couple of different versions.  This sign (http://www.roadtripamerica.com/roadside/Falling-Cow.htm) out in California was apparently not meant as a joke.
Title: Davis Mountains Preserve - June 17
Post by: Bobcat on June 20, 2006, 10:10:42 AM
Thanks for the report, Joe.  I've seen, first hand, what feral hogs can do to the land down in Florida east of Sarasota. It aint pretty. The area I'm talking about has a lot of soft soil, so they really rip it up.  And, they tend to rip up large areas.  Very ugly.  I saw a group of ~ 10 in the Myakka River area.  The adults were large and came in different color schemes;black,tan,white and combinations of those colors.  Apparently, they're very hard to exterminate.
Title: Re: WATCH OUT!
Post by: SHANEA on June 20, 2006, 10:32:44 AM
Quote from: "Joe"
As you no doubt have realized by now, I'm not much of a picture-taker  :oops:  Where in the world did you find that photo of the "watch for falling cows" sign?  I always thought my friend painted the one near Study Butte.  I'll have to ask her about it and get the story.


That would be a good story to get.  I'm a picture fiend.  When I see something during my tours on the net that I might want or need for a presentation or something, then I grab it and save it for future reference.  I'm a presentation guru and have constructed many a "wild" presentation for business and school.  One of my favorites used just a ton of pics of the Northern Lights as the backgrounds.  A different background on each page.
Title: Re: Davis Mountains Preserve - June 17
Post by: SHANEA on June 23, 2006, 01:16:55 PM
Quote from: "Joe"
On the way back to Alpine I could see the Glass Mountains outside of Marathon, and there was a big fire burning on top of


http://www.marfatx.com/uploadedfiles/glass%20mountains.html

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Lightning sparks complex of fires in the Glass Mountains

By JAMES TIERNEY

BREWSTER COUNTY – When it rains it burns in the Big Bend region this summer. Last Friday evening’s brief thundershowers across the area sparked four lightning-strike fires in the Glass Mountains about 15 miles north of Highway 90 between Alpine and Marathon. On Tuesday night two of those fires combined and “blew up” into a 2,300 acre burn that by Wednesday afternoon was only 50 percent contained. Two unidentified ranch houses and a cabin remained threatened by the blaze.

The Marathon Volunteer Fire Department, led by Chief Daniel Eaton, was first on the scene Friday night and the Texas Forest Service was quickly called in to assist on what now amounts to over 6,500 acres of scorched earth. Suppression efforts are continuing with a total of 58 Texas Forest Service personnel working in the area and anywhere from one to four Marathon firefighters who are supplying water refills for the Forest Service. Working on foot in the mountains is the 20-man Jackson Hotshots, a full-time, type 1 fire crew out of Jackson, Mississippi. They’ve chased one fire up a mountain and are digging around and burning out the others.

“I’m tired,” said Chief Eaton Wednesday morning. “One of the fires blew up last night.” Eaton says the fires have primarily hit the Homer Mills Ranch, but have also flanked the Parker Ranch, the Boss Ranch and the Blakemore. He said the glow of last night’s flare-up was visible from Marathon. “We’re heading out now,” he said, looking at another day on the line.

In addition to Marathon’s 2,900 gallon tanker, the Forest Service also has two five-person engines, and three three-person engines, along with three helicopters and water tanks of their own, all down from the temporary West Texas Initial Attack team in Fort Stockton. According to Texas Forest Service public information officer Lewis Kearney, speaking from the coordination center in Midland, the hotshot crew has been working 14-15 hour shifts and bedding down overnight at the Fort Stockton base.

The fires for the most part are in tough terrain and are inaccessible to vehicles. The helicopters have been used to drop the individual firefighters into the remote locations. “We want a seasoned crew,” said Kearney of the Hotshots. “They’re full-time. When they’re not in Texas they are in California or somewhere else. This is all they do.”

On Monday Kearney had described the West fire as “up high in the Cathedral peaks, very difficult to get into. It’s a low priority now and we’ll let it burn unless it comes down the mountain.” But it was this fire that, pushed by strong winds, jumped the control lines and combined with the equally remote Tank fire early Wednesday morning to add 500 acres to the burn and threaten the ranch homes in the area. “At 1 a.m. the relative humidity was 18 percent,” said Kearney on Wednesday morning. “You know how that is...It made a significant run last night.”

As of press time the situation was as follows: the Blue Canyon fire, where one old cook shack has already been destroyed, is holding steady at 3,000 acres, and is 60 percent contained; the Robber’s Roost fire was at 450 with no visible signs of smoke and “we hope to call it contained at the end of shift,” said Kearney; and the West and Tank fires, which burned into a single fire, and are now known as the West Tank fire, was at 2,300 acres and 50 percent contained.

Though these fires originated from natural causes, a weary Chief Eaton wanted to stress to the public that “if people buy fireworks, please be extremely careful with them, and try to avoid them unless we have rain. Please obey the county burn ban.” There are no-exceptions county burn bans in Brewster, Jeff Davis and Presidio counties and the state of the entire region is one of “extreme wildfire danger.”

The fight should continue in the Glass Mountains at least through the end of the week.
Title: lightning
Post by: Vince T on June 23, 2006, 01:56:34 PM
We were in the basin the night that lightning storm was going on (last Friday night)...it was pretty spectacular.  We went back 90 through Sanderson...so didn't even notice any smoke up in the Glass Mountains.

Thanks for the Davis Mountains report...have not been up in that area in a while.

Vince
Title: Marfatx.com
Post by: Joe on June 23, 2006, 04:13:56 PM
Thanks Vince, and thanks Shane, for posting that news report.  There's been a little news about the fire on KVLF, the Alpine AM station (they call themselves the "Voice of the Last Frontier").

I can never access anything at marfatx.com.  Do you subscribe to the Big Bend Sentinel, or how do you get access?
Title: I Just..
Post by: SHANEA on June 23, 2006, 06:53:32 PM
I just go to http://www.marfatx.com/bb_index.asp and get to it from there....

Here are my news sources  :shock:

The Big Bend Sentinel
http://www.marfatx.com/bb_index.asp

Alpine Avalanche
http://www.alpineavalanche.com/

Big Bend Gazette
http://www.bigbendgazette.com/

Border Hotline.... :oops:  (pay site and I'm not a paying memeber)
I do NOT like news sites charging on the internet  :oops:  :oops:
http://www.borderhotline.com/

Fort Stockton Pioneer
http://www.fortstocktonpioneer.com/

San Angelo Standard Times
http://www.sanangelostandardtimes.com/

Van Horn Advocate
http://www.vanhornadvocate.com/

Abilene Reporter
http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/news/0,1874,ABIL_7942,00.html

Pecos Enterprise (doesn't seem to get updated anymore)
http://www.pecos.net/news/daily/page1.htm

Del Rio News Herald
http://www1.delrionewsherald.com/news.lasso

Midland-Odessa
http://www.mywesttexas.com/

Terrell County News Leader (Sanderson)
http://www.sandersontx.info/index.html
Title: Re: I Just..
Post by: RichardM on June 23, 2006, 07:03:58 PM
Quote from: "SHANEA"
Abilene Reporter
http://www.reporter-news.com/abil/news/0,1874,ABIL_7942,00.html

Wow, do you actually find news in the good ol' Abilene Repeater? I can recall several times when I'd read a news article online, see it in the Houston newspaper the next day, the Austin  American-Statesman the next day (when stopping off at the folks' house), then the next day in the Repeater-News at my grandmother's house.  It's had that nickname for decades.  Now that the internet's been around a while they're hopefully only a day or two behind.
Title: Davis Mountains Preserve - June 17
Post by: BigBendHiker on June 23, 2006, 07:41:33 PM
Quote from: "Bobcat"
Thanks for the report, Joe.  I've seen, first hand, what feral hogs can do to the land down in Florida east of Sarasota. It aint pretty. The area I'm talking about has a lot of soft soil, so they really rip it up.  And, they tend to rip up large areas.  Very ugly.  I saw a group of ~ 10 in the Myakka River area.  The adults were large and came in different color schemes;black,tan,white and combinations of those colors.  Apparently, they're very hard to exterminate.


Feral hogs have gotten back into my father-in-law's ranch.  And you are right...man...can they tear up the ground overnight!  Looks like someone came along with a backhoe and ripped up the ground by the light of the moon.

BBH
Title: Davis Mountains Preserve - June 17
Post by: homerboy2u on June 24, 2006, 07:28:39 AM
Stupid question, I know. But better ask it than keep my mouth shut and go on with ignorance:

  What are FERAL HOGS  :?: ...they're not wildboars or Javelinas.

Homero
Title: Davis Mountains Preserve - June 17
Post by: chisos_muse on June 24, 2006, 07:32:45 AM
Quote from: "homerboy2u2"
Stupid question, I know. But better ask it than keep my mouth shut and go on with ignorance:

  What are FERAL HOGS  :?: ...they're not wildboars or Javelinas.

Homero



Why, they are piggie's on crack! :roll:

I believe they are just regular hogs that have got loose from farms and breed and live in the wild. Joe will probably correct me in some way 8)  but that's actually how we all learn! :D
Title: Re: I Just..
Post by: SHANEA on June 24, 2006, 12:36:49 PM
Quote from: "RichardM"
in the good ol' Abilene Repeater?


Of course I'm looking for "local" information on the general West Texas Trans Pecos Big Bend region that would not normally be picked up in other news papers.  I also sometimes look at the TV stations websites out that direction for information, I'll post those links some other time.  

Speaking of "news", boy, Midland and Odessa are BOOMING right now in the job market due to the price of petro that you and I are paying.  They have some top paying jobs out that way.  Get it while you can.
Title: Davis Mountains Preserve - June 17
Post by: EdB on June 24, 2006, 01:11:45 PM
Quote from: "chisos_muse"
Why, they are piggie's on crack! :roll:

I believe they are just regular hogs that have got loose from farms and breed and live in the wild. Joe will probably correct me in some way 8)  but that's actually how we all learn! :D


Exactly. Persimmon Gap has a little exhibit on them and the damage they cause. Other than just generally rooting around and stuff, they like to turn water holes into mud wallows, making them unusable by the native animals. Wild piggies are bad!  :evil:
Title: Form of a Question
Post by: SHANEA on June 24, 2006, 01:22:38 PM
Quote from: "homerboy2u2"
Stupid question, I know. But better ask it than keep my mouth shut and go on with ignorance:

  What are FERAL HOGS  :?: ...they're not wildboars or Javelinas.

Homero


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Final Jeopardy.  Our Final Jeopardy Catagory for today is Invasive Species.

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A Visual Final Jeopardy...They are an invasive species, Sus scrofa Linnaeus, that were introduced into the United States in the 1500's from Eurasia and are known by the common names of wild boar, wild hog,  Old World swine, razorback, Eurasian wild boar, Russian wild boar.  Defined as any hogs, including Russian and European wild boar, which are running at large and whose owners are unknown.  Commonly referred to in the United States, especially Southern States as:


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good luck contestants.


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ShaneaA - What is a feral hog


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http://www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov/animals/wildboar.shtml
http://www.wildlifedepartment.com/hoghunting.htm
Title: Davis Mountains Preserve - June 17
Post by: homerboy2u on June 24, 2006, 03:09:34 PM
Well thank you Mr. Shane A. Those are wild hogs. They?re very tasty in tamales,let me tell ya.

 This is another species we can use to carry live backpack food.Such as the goat to the camp clrean up then cook it option. Although they tend to be , just a little bit disobedient. :lol:
Title: Cracks...
Post by: SHANEA on June 24, 2006, 04:52:51 PM
Quote from: "homerboy2u2"
carry live backpack food


That just cracks me up,  :lol:  carrying "live" food into camp.  It will take me a little used to getting to going camping with you homberboy2u2.   :lol:   I usually bring "dead" food into camp with me.  Now mind you, I'm no veggie or PETA person - DON'T GO THERE, I'll explain shortly.  And, I love steaks, fajitas, goat, (not dog or cat).  But, when you bring the goat on the  trip, I really don't want to see it before hand and certainly don't want to "pet it" or "get to know it" or make "eye contact" before hand.  So, if I'm along, please do the slaughtering out of my ear/eye site.  Reminds me of Silence of the Lambs...  

PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals (aka People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals).  Anyway, I feel like typing out a short story.  When we were at BBRSP back in December 2005 we had dinner at the bunk house - those fine enchaldes.  There was a whole heard/possee of cowgirls there that were seeing the vast country from horseback.  They had those big duelie pickups with those combo horse trailer and travel trailer - hard core.  Anyway, I don't know how I got on their "sht" list, but I did.   Anyway, I'm a pretty friendly guy and I'd certainly have invited them back to our camp for a few libations and might even have asked one of them to share my bunk, but...  For some reason we didn't hit it off from square one.  At the dinner table they asked about what we were doing at BBRSP and we told them hiking, etc. They asked if this was our first visit, and we said no, we come out 2-3 times a year for about the last 10 years.  Their response was "WHAT, you haven't seen it all - why do you come out here so much.  How can you see anything backpacking and hiking?  They were quite angry for some reason.  They said the only way to see BBRSP was on the back of a horse.  Somehow we went from that conversation to talking about Poindexter and his attempt to acqurie some of the BBRSP - they lit into me over that - I indicated that I was with the Sierra Club and that the Sierra Club had a lot to do with preventing the sale.  They said it was strictly the horse club that prevented the sale and I guess somehow they made a giant leap from the Sierra Club, no I don't agree with all of Sierras Club policies or plans - I'm primarily a member because of protecting state of Texas TPWD parks and getting them more money.  But, they made the giant leep from Sierra Club to PETA because when I stepped outside to take pics of the sunset they told my backpacking parter that "I guess we offended your PETA friend".

Well, as it turns out, I didn't learn about the PETA association to me until much later, but I was inside studying  the big maps on the wall and I overheard two of the girls talksing about "how her lover is so much YOUNGER than her and that SHE is afraid SHE will leave her".  Ok, connection made.  As it turns out, I'd been hitting on the younger cow girl at the dinner table, you know, making conversation, being nice, etc.  and it  was the OLDER cowgirl who lit into me the most - thus, unbenownst to me I was trying to pickup her lover.  

BTW - I have no opinions to express on what anyone does in their own bedroom with their own lives.  Not the place for that type of discussion.

Oh well.  I thought that was a fun story to share.
Title: Davis Mountains Preserve - June 17
Post by: chisos_muse on June 24, 2006, 06:13:42 PM
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  "PETA Friend"  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

On the last subject of the story....EWWWWWWWW!
Yeah Baby, I'm sure that's real inviting after sitting on a horsey all friggin day in the Trans Pecos  :shock:
Title: Davis Mountains Preserve - June 17
Post by: Joe on June 24, 2006, 06:15:50 PM
Quote from: "chisos_muse"
Joe will probably correct me in some way 8)


Let's see, where did I put that whip?  Seriously, no need to correct you, Muse...you know way more than you let on.  :wink:
Title: Davis Mountains Preserve - June 17
Post by: chisos_muse on June 24, 2006, 06:19:58 PM
Quote from: "Joe"
Quote from: "chisos_muse"
Joe will probably correct me in some way 8)


Let's see, where did I put that whip?  Seriously, no need to correct you, Muse...you know way more than you let on.  :wink:


 :lol: Yeah but I get confused on my info sometimes and you help me straighten it out! 8)
Title: Re: I Just..
Post by: Joe on June 24, 2006, 06:39:15 PM
Quote from: "SHANEA"
I just go to http://www.marfatx.com/bb_index.asp and get to it from there....


Thanks, Shane, for all the news links.  I still have trouble with http://www.marfatx.com/bb_index.asp  though.  This morning I tried it from the computer at the Alpine Public Library and the link worked.  But from Sul Ross or from my computer in San Antonio I always get the "page cannot be displayed" message.

Of couse, the Big Bend Sentinel is for sale here, and I could just get up from the computer and pick up a copy... :?
Title: Links and Whips
Post by: Vince T on June 24, 2006, 08:44:56 PM
Shane-
Thanks for all those handy news links...I've bookmarked that page for easy access.

Along with being a BIBE junkie, I'm a weather junkie too...and your BIBE list looks like my weather link list.

Whips, hogs, goats, live backpack food, tricked out trailers...the breadth of this group is great...how I was inactive for so long was completely my loss!

Seriously...after 30 or so visits to the park over the last 15 years...I still feel like I have so much to learn after I hear some of the things you all have done.  I guess we all have different experiences.

Vince
Title: Re: Cracks...
Post by: homerboy2u on June 24, 2006, 09:56:19 PM
Quote from: "SHANEA"
Quote from: "homerboy2u2"
carry live backpack food


That just cracks me up,  :lol:  carrying "live" food into camp.  It will take me a little used to getting to going camping with you homberboy2u2.   :lol:   I usually bring "dead" food into camp with me.  Now mind you, I'm no veggie or PETA person - DON'T GO THERE, I'll explain shortly.  And, I love steaks, fajitas, goat, (not dog or cat).  But, when you bring the goat on the  trip, I really don't want to see it before hand and certainly don't want to "pet it" or "get to know it" or make "eye contact" before hand.  So, if I'm along, please do the slaughtering out of my ear/eye site.  Reminds me of Silence of the Lambs...   .


 I promise, Shane...i won't let you know when i make fantastic BBQ from that goat..... :lol:  :lol:  :lol: ...you crack me up, man. :D  :D

  You should hear my story about how i learn to make beer can chicken..but that will leave it to another thread,
Title: Davis Mountains Preserve - June 17
Post by: chisos_muse on June 24, 2006, 11:34:39 PM
OK, but we'd better bring this along! :lol:


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Title: Re: Cracks...
Post by: Al on June 25, 2006, 01:30:23 AM
Quote from: "homerboy2u2"
Quote from: "SHANEA"
Quote from: "homerboy2u2"
carry live backpack food


That just cracks me up,  :lol:  carrying "live" food into camp.  It will take me a little used to getting to going camping with you homberboy2u2.   :lol:   I usually bring "dead" food into camp with me.  Now mind you, I'm no veggie or PETA person - DON'T GO THERE, I'll explain shortly.  And, I love steaks, fajitas, goat, (not dog or cat).  But, when you bring the goat on the  trip, I really don't want to see it before hand and certainly don't want to "pet it" or "get to know it" or make "eye contact" before hand.  So, if I'm along, please do the slaughtering out of my ear/eye site.  Reminds me of Silence of the Lambs...   .


 I promise, Shane...i won't let you know when i make fantastic BBQ from that goat..... :lol:  :lol:  :lol: ...you crack me up, man. :D  :D

  You should hear my story about how i learn to make beer can chicken..but that will leave it to another thread,


 
 I hope we're talking killing the goat in the basin or Rio Grande campground.  Less problematic than the back country although it would probably make for an interesting bit of conversation with one's fellow campers that evening . . .  I have no idea what the rules are in the campground.  I assume one can boil lobster, so why not a kill and eat a goat?  

If we're talking back country the rules on the permit don't seem to be a problem, although the "bring it in and pack it out" rule makes me think a little deeper.  What will be left over?

A chicken or two that is trained to follow might be a better choice than a goat.  

How long does it take to make goat jerky?  

Will the entrals dry out in a couple of days?

Do mountain lions or bears like goat?  

Can goat bones be used to make atttractive accessory items?  

Goat for breakfast, brunch, lunch, dinner, desert and a midnight snack.

Should I cook the eyeballs with brains or tongue?

So many decisions!

Please remember - - - No Ground Fires!

Menudo on a white gas stove  . . .  how big a pot should I bring?!!!  

Might need more than one stove.

Will three gallons of white gas cook a goat?

My mind is a raging torrent!

Al
Title: Re: Cracks...
Post by: homerboy2u on June 25, 2006, 08:02:48 AM
Quote from: "Al"
Quote from: "homerboy2u2"
Quote from: "SHANEA"
Quote from: "homerboy2u2"
carry live backpack food


That just cracks me up,  :lol:  carrying "live" food into camp.  It will take me a little used to getting to going camping with you homberboy2u2.   :lol:   I usually bring "dead" food into camp with me.  Now mind you, I'm no veggie or PETA person - DON'T GO THERE, I'll explain shortly.  And, I love steaks, fajitas, goat, (not dog or cat).  But, when you bring the goat on the  trip, I really don't want to see it before hand and certainly don't want to "pet it" or "get to know it" or make "eye contact" before hand.  So, if I'm along, please do the slaughtering out of my ear/eye site.  Reminds me of Silence of the Lambs...   .


 I promise, Shane...i won't let you know when i make fantastic BBQ from that goat..... :lol:  :lol:  :lol: ...you crack me up, man. :D  :D

  You should hear my story about how i learn to make beer can chicken..but that will leave it to another thread,


 
 I hope we're talking killing the goat in the basin or Rio Grande campground.  Less problematic than the back country although it would probably make for an interesting bit of conversation with one's fellow campers that evening . . .  I have no idea what the rules are in the campground.  I assume one can boil lobster, so why not a kill and eat a goat?  

If we're talking back country the rules on the permit don't seem to be a problem, although the "bring it in and pack it out" rule makes me think a little deeper.  What will be left over?

A chicken or two that is trained to follow might be a better choice than a goat.  

How long does it take to make goat jerky?  

Will the entrals dry out in a couple of days?

Do mountain lions or bears like goat?  

Can goat bones be used to make atttractive accessory items?  

Goat for breakfast, brunch, lunch, dinner, desert and a midnight snack.

Should I cook the eyeballs with brains or tongue?

So many decisions!

Please remember - - - No Ground Fires!

Menudo on a white gas stove  . . .  how big a pot should I bring?!!!  

Might need more than one stove.

Will three gallons of white gas cook a goat?

My mind is a raging torrent!

Al


Al...Muse. Everthing is negotiable when cooking your live follw the leader and clean up your campsite meals.

 But , what i still don't get it is why :?: ...and i emphisize WHY :?:  :?: ..everytime i bring my goats to the desert people in red and black robes start gathering around me ,form a very big circle and paint stars of David in my forehead :?:  :?: ...why why why why :?: ...wtf do they want from me :?: .
Title: Re: Cracks...
Post by: Doc Savage on June 25, 2006, 10:02:53 AM
Quote from: "homerboy2u2"

 But , what i still don't get it is why :?: ...and i emphisize WHY :?:  :?: ..everytime i bring my goats to the desert people in red and black robes start gathering around me ,form a very big circle and paint stars of David in my forehead :?:  :?: ...why why why why :?: ...wtf do they want from me :?: .


Homerboy,

Be afraid.... be very afraid. That could be PETA looking for a HUMAN sacrafice..... Or they could be getting ready to throw off the robes and run around nekkid like they do for the circus protests. That can be scary depending on the individual running around  :shock:

Robert
Title: Re: Cracks...
Post by: chisos_muse on June 25, 2006, 12:02:13 PM
Quote from: "homerboy2u2"


  But , what i still don't get it is why :?: ...and i emphisize WHY :?:  :?: ..everytime i bring my goats to the desert people in red and black robes start gathering around me ,form a very big circle and paint stars of David in my forehead :?:  :?: ...why why why why :?: ...wtf do they want from me :?: .


 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Davis Mountains Preserve - June 17
Post by: chisos_muse on June 25, 2006, 12:11:02 PM
OK, I know where to get a good one......but we'd better hide the beer! :shock:


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