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Wichita Mts Oklahoma

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Re: Wichita Mts Oklahoma
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2011, 11:42:01 PM »
I think the animals are used to the artillery noise, and it's not something that happens everyday.  Would be nice if there was a schedule of artillery practice so you'd know what days to get peace and quiet.

I've been there on days when there was no artillery practice and no jet trainers flying overhead... it is definitely a slice of heaven on those days.

Unlike BIBE, you're not all that far from civilization when you're at the refuge.  The city of Lawton is less than 20 miles away.  If you find you forgot something, it's not far to drive to resupply.

If you do camp overnight, do not be surprised to find buffalo wandering through your campsite at morning.  That has happened to me several times.  Buffalo are really not aggressive unless you provoke them.  Just remain quiet and make slow movements, and they'll amble off into the woods.  The buffalo there are used to seeing humans all the time, and I'd say they are no more aggressive than cattle.  If anything, they are just curious. 
If it is mating season, then all bets are off!


Darin
Maybe I call the rangers to find out, what days are safe from Artillery noise, if they know, that is!
Yes, i will camp, unless the Buffalo chase me away! Let's hope, it's not mating season when i go next week or the following week! Thanks, again, Amigo, i am looking forward to this new adventure!

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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2011, 12:32:26 AM »
I rarely hear artillery noise. 

If you like 8 miles a day of hiking, your outa luck in the Wichitas.  It's mostly a climbing area. 

You could try the Ouachita Trail on the other side of the state.   It's not rocky like the Wichitas, it's heavily wooded but will give you some good altitude changes. 

http://www.ouachitamaps.com/OT-03%20259-QW.html

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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2011, 02:42:41 AM »
I rarely hear artillery noise. 

If you like 8 miles a day of hiking, your outa luck in the Wichitas.  It's mostly a climbing area. 

You could try the Ouachita Trail on the other side of the state.   It's not rocky like the Wichitas, it's heavily wooded but will give you some good altitude changes. 

http://www.ouachitamaps.com/OT-03%20259-QW.html
Thanks, Picacho,for this suggestion, but i think, i will stay with Wich. Mts for the time being, since i have never been and am interested in the Wildlife too. I have hiked Queen Wilhelmina area, very beautiful too, good suggestion!
Next time i will try some of the others you suggest! I guess, i will survive not being able to hike 8 mi/day! If i piece all of the different trails together i think, it will be good enough! I am used to alpine hiking at 14 000ft elev.which i do sometimes 3 weeks at a time! I REALLY enjoyed BIBE, as we all do, because it's so different and has such an allure......

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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2011, 07:02:55 AM »
Fort Sill has been there since 1869, the refuge was established in 1901 (Bully for TR!) - so they put the refuge next to the base, not the other way around.

In the times I've been there I've heard training activity during the week in the day-time, but not on the weekend or at night.  That having been said there are a lot more people in the refuge on the weekend, so pick your minor drawback.

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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2011, 08:46:12 AM »
Fort Sill has been there since 1869, the refuge was established in 1901 (Bully for TR!) - so they put the refuge next to the base, not the other way around.

In the times I've been there I've heard training activity during the week in the day-time, but not on the weekend or at night.  That having been said there are a lot more people in the refuge on the weekend, so pick your minor drawback.
Thanks, JRD, of course i am planning to be there during the week and, i don't think in the next couple of weeks a lot of people will be crowding the Refuge! or will they??

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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2011, 09:02:59 AM »
We were there during the week for spring break in March a couple of years ago and the park was almost empty.  This time of year I would expect the same.

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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2011, 09:19:07 AM »
We were there during the week for spring break in March a couple of years ago and the park was almost empty.  This time of year I would expect the same.
Well, i am flexible, i definitely want to avoid the crowds! If i camp at Charon's Garden, do I hike in or what?
They issue permits only for 2 nights, 3days.....! I guess, on the way back i drive through the Ouatchita Mts and hike at Queen Wilhelmina!

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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2011, 09:59:20 AM »
This is not a great park for hiking in the classical sense; you aren't going to hike 8 miles, set up camp, get up in the morning, and do it again.

Pack-in, set up camp and spend your time exploring, climbing, and enjoying the wildlife.

Seeing buffalo free on the range alone makes the trip worth it.  It is a lot like approaching the Statue of Liberty by boat: beautiful to look at and a profoundly American experience.

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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2011, 10:05:10 AM »
This is not a great park for hiking in the classical sense; you aren't going to hike 8 miles, set up camp, get up in the morning, and do it again.

Pack-in, set up camp and spend your time exploring, climbing, and enjoying the wildlife.

Seeing buffalo free on the range alone makes the trip worth it.  It is a lot like approaching the Statue of Liberty by boat: beautiful to look at and a profoundly American experience.
that's what i plan to do!! Like your Analogy! When i talk about "hiking" i do mean exploring, meandering,lingering!
Looking forward to the experience and yet another glimpse of "America", the intriguing, forever alluring!

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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2011, 10:39:55 AM »
This is not a great park for hiking in the classical sense; you aren't going to hike 8 miles, set up camp, get up in the morning, and do it again.

Pack-in, set up camp and spend your time exploring, climbing, and enjoying the wildlife.

Seeing buffalo free on the range alone makes the trip worth it.  It is a lot like approaching the Statue of Liberty by boat: beautiful to look at and a profoundly American experience.
that's what i plan to do!! Like your Analogy! When i talk about "hiking" i do mean exploring, meandering,lingering!
Looking forward to the experience and yet another glimpse of "America", the intriguing, forever alluring!

 Below: response from the Ranger to my inquery!
Renate,

You should not have a problems getting a camp site in February, we do not take reservations for individual sites, they are all first come first serve.  The weather is February is typically cooler but not freezing.  I don't believe it will be crowded, the only time we meet full capacity in the camp ground is Spring and Fall Break.

Enjoy your visit to the Wichita Mountains Wildlife Refuge and if you have any further questions feel free to contact me.

Thanks
Quinton



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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2011, 11:41:16 AM »
The only non-primitive camping area in the Wichitas is at Doris Campground.  For the Charons Garden Wilderness, you must hike in to the backcountry.  There is no camping at either trailhead.  You can camp for free by Lake Lawtonka as well which is outside the park. 

50 miles to the west is Quartz Mountain State Park.  It is home to probably the most famous climbing area in the midwest.  There are some hiking trails there too.  Worth checking out if you have the time. 

If you are also in the mood just to check other areas out in southern Oklahoma, you can drop by Turner Falls Park and Chickasaw National Recreation Area just off of I-35.  Not a lot of trails at either place but pretty cool places to check out. 

I am familiar with alpine hiking myself having climbed all 54 14ers in Colorado.   :icon_cool:

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« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2011, 01:47:11 PM »
The only non-primitive camping area in the Wichitas is at Doris Campground.  For the Charons Garden Wilderness, you must hike in to the backcountry.  There is no camping at either trailhead.  You can camp for free by Lake Lawtonka as well which is outside the park. 

50 miles to the west is Quartz Mountain State Park.  It is home to probably the most famous climbing area in the midwest.  There are some hiking trails there too.  Worth checking out if you have the time. 

If you are also in the mood just to check other areas out in southern Oklahoma, you can drop by Turner Falls Park and Chickasaw National Recreation Area just off of I-35.  Not a lot of trails at either place but pretty cool places to check out. 

I am familiar with alpine hiking myself having climbed all 54 14ers in Colorado.   :icon_cool:
that's great info! Wonderful! I have lots of time.......will make a point to follow all of your recommendations! That's what I was looking for!! Thumbs up to your 54 14ers!! Haven't done Colorado yet, "only" Austria,Bavaria, North Cascades,WA!!

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Re: Wichita Mts Oklahoma
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2011, 02:29:07 PM »
Northern New Mexico before Colorado; talk to me about it
ok, tell me about it!!

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« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2011, 04:36:03 PM »
Northern New Mexico before Colorado; talk to me about it
ok, tell me about it!!

I will later, but it's about Taos, NM, and the nearby Pecos Wilderness, the Latir Peak Massiff, Gold Hill, and Wheeler Peak (NM's highest); (my favorite places in the USA)(BIBE is "home")
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i want to hear it all !!

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Re: Wichita Mts Oklahoma
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2011, 05:22:25 PM »
Northern New Mexico before Colorado; talk to me about it

Whadyaneed to know?  Done a lot of stuff there too.

 


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