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Canon G12 or G1X?

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Offline East Texan

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Canon G12 or G1X?
« on: August 17, 2012, 10:21:15 PM »
I have a friend who is going up Mount Kilimanjaro in September.  She is trying to decide between the G12 or G1X to carry.  7D and lens too heavy.  Any recommendations from you hiking photographers?
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Re: Canon G12 or G1X?
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2012, 10:28:39 PM »
I have a friend who is going up Mount Kilimanjaro in September.  She is trying to decide between the G12 or G1X to carry.  7D and lens too heavy.  Any recommendations from you hiking photographers?

I'm thinking of buying a P&S for the same reason, SLR is too heavy.
They're both good P&S alternatives with decent SLR features.  I've seen images from both cameras and I'm impressed.
If I had to pick a P&S, it would probably be between these two.
Here's a side by side comparison of those two cameras on DPReview.com.
That may help you choose..

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Offline Al

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Re: Canon G12 or G1X?
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2012, 10:58:14 PM »
I have a G9 that must be replaced.  One thing that is very unusual about the G12 is how long it has been the current G series P&S camera.  I can't help but wonder when the G13 will come out? The G9 is +12 MP and the G12 is +10 MP.  There has to be an 14 or 18 MP G series camera on the horizon.

Al

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Offline perterra

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Re: Canon G12 or G1X?
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2012, 07:58:33 AM »
I have a G9 that must be replaced.  One thing that is very unusual about the G12 is how long it has been the current G series P&S camera.  I can't help but wonder when the G13 will come out? The G9 is +12 MP and the G12 is +10 MP.  There has to be an 14 or 18 MP G series camera on the horizon.

Al

I aeem to recall there were starting to be photo quality isses with too many pixels jammed into small sensors. The P&S G's might be slowing due to some of the new large sensor pocket cams.

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Re: Canon G12 or G1X?
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2012, 01:54:02 PM »
I did some research after my post and the G!X is sometimes referred to as the G13.  Sony just came out with a P&S with 20 MP, the Cyber-shot DSC-RX100.  But you're right about more MP not necessarily making for better photos.

Al

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Re: Canon G12 or G1X?
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2012, 01:42:05 AM »
Canon A40 2 MP from 2002.  Still works . . .


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Re: Canon G12 or G1X?
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2012, 01:35:24 PM »
I have been happy with my Fujifilm S1800.  It doesn't have an articulated LED screen or some of the other features of the Canons, but it is a 12.2 MP, has an 18X optical zoom and some cool features, and does well with a Class 10 card.  It also does full HD video and will go manual.  I have been very happy with it for the price, under $200 from Adorama. If I break it while out on the trail, I'll just get another.  Fujifilm has a line of p&s cameras above the S line.  Perhaps check them out!

For reference, here is a photo uploaded at full resolution to Flickr:

View looking down the Dodson taken with Fujifilm S1800  Nov 2011 by SuperHomer67, on Flickr

Check out the photo by clicking on it and choosing a larger size image on Flickr.

Here is an example of its video, taken from about 20' away, using the zoom:


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Re: Canon G12 or G1X?
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2012, 04:59:08 PM »
That G1X is looking pretty good. I have a G12 (somewhere around here). Some points in favor of the G1X:

1. Video max is now 1920 x 1080 @ 24fps (it would be nice to know if that's P or I) so it's max HD

2. Screen is larger and looks to be double the resolution of the old one.

3. Lots of new shooting and scene modes

4. 60s max shutter speed. Shooting long exposure night scenes should be possible now. @ f2.8 and a wide angle lens, ISO 3200-ish you need 10 - 20s to get good star images. The G12 doesn't have bulb mode so 15s was a limitation.

5. Metal construction. They must know me.

6. Remote shutter release. I'm glad they kept it.

7. They claim no time lapse availability but the remote shutter release will solve that problem if you get the right one.

8. Much bigger sensor. Since they upped the megapixels that's a good thing. I was afraid that they tried to stuff more "megadoodles" into the same size sensor. 

9. They used a CMOS sensor this time. Not that long ago this would have been a negative but the CMOS sensors that are used today have less high ISO noise.

Oops- I almost forgot about this little jewel. The Canon EOS M. Mirrorless technology, interchangeable lenses, supports two video codecs, same sensor as the 1X. LINK

Honestly... I wouldn't buy the first version. It's bound to have bugs. But this could be the next best bridge between full DSLR and P&S some day
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Offline VivaTerlingua

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Re: Canon G12 or G1X?
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2012, 12:13:15 PM »
She might consider a Canon S100 as well.  Similar zoom range as the ones she is looking at, full manual controls, good image quality, and a lot smaller.  She should buy an extra battery or 2 though.

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Re: Canon G12 or G1X?
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2012, 11:41:45 AM »
I just faced this same decision.  I wanted a more carry-able alternative to my Pentax K-5.  With my walking lens (18-135 zoom) it weighs in at 2 lb-11 oz. 


My wife has the G12 and I initially considered getting the same camera so I could help her with it.  Sometimes things get set on her camera that I can't easily unset since I don't know it well.  Also, I put a lot of thought into helping her pick out the G12.  I really like the camera.  However, before I pulled the trigger on a G12 the G1X hit the market.


The G1X has almost all of what I liked about the G12.  I like the exterior dials -- much like a DSLR you can quickly see how you have things are set just by glancing at the outside of the camera. Unfortunately a pop-up flash on the G1X displaced the exposure compensation to the location of the ISO dial which winds up replaced by the up button.  I also like an optical viewfinder (although you get no indication of focus point through the viewfinder and my wife says that crop shown is only an approximation of what actually ends up in-frame.  The flip out screen is also nice.


The G1X had some definite advantages for my use:  #1 - ISO range, #2 - Wider exposure compensation (sometimes but rarely +/- 2 isn't quite enough)#3 - slightly larger LCD with more resolution.  However, there are also some disadvantages:  #1 - wide open while zoomed is F5.8 vs F4.5, #2 Max zoom is 112 mm equivalent vs 140 mm equivalent,  #3 - Macro focus range of 20 cm vs 1 cm.


All that is more or less a wash with the slight advantage going to the G1X.  That left two criteria:  cost and size/weight.  The cost is a big difference.  At Bhphoto.com the G12 is 379 vs the G1X at 699 -- almost double.  But, the thing that made the choice for me was the size/weight.  My wife's G-12 in my opinion is just barely pocketable.  Pants pocket - sort or.  Shirt pocket - not really.  Given that the G1X is slighty longer, wider and thicker and is 33% HEAVIER, I decided to go with the G12.  I just thought the odds were too great that I would decide to leave the G1X at home because it was too heavy.


Now that's not the end of the story though. 


She might consider a Canon S100 as well.  Similar zoom range as the ones she is looking at, full manual controls, good image quality, and a lot smaller.  She should buy an extra battery or 2 though.


As I was doing my research on these cameras I kept seeing references to the Canon S100 as the serious photographer's P&S so before I pulled the trigger on the G12 I gave it a look.  Everything VivaTerlingua says is true except it's not a lot smaller, it is a LOT smaller.  Also, it meets my criteria of shooting RAW.


In the end I bought the S100.  I just got home from a 10 day vacation through Washington, DC, Shenandoah National Park and several historic sites like Gettysburg, Philadelphia, Williamsburg and Jamestown.  I had the S100 on my body every minute I wasn't asleep and shot about 500 frames.  Since you haven't asked about the S100 I won't go into a lot of detail but just to say that it has as good or slightly better specs than the G12,  similar price, disappears in my shirt pocket and is 1/2 the weight.  I gave up the dials, the flip-out lcd and the optical viewfinder but I have a camera that I can carry anywhere and access quickly.  It isn't a DSLR but I think I made the right choice for myself.  It is a very usable camera.
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Re: Canon G12 or G1X?
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2012, 12:30:40 PM »
Bought an S-90 right at the end of summer in 09, I've got about close to 10,000 shots on it and it has probably been the most enjoyable digital camera I have owned since my first G1 purchase back in 99. My DSLR has seen very little use since I bought the S-90

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Re: Canon G12 or G1X?
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2012, 12:50:23 PM »
I would go with the G1, price not an issue.   That huge sensor and metal body seal the deal for my tastes.

I picked up a Fujifilm FinePix F750EXR (the non-gps/wi-fi version) for $160 this week and am going to give it a workout over the Labor Day weekend in some mountainous terrain.  I was most interested in trying out its 20x zoom, panoramic and videography features.  Update forthcoming...
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Re: Canon G12 or G1X?
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2012, 11:45:32 PM »


I picked up a Fujifilm FinePix F750EXR (the non-gps/wi-fi version) for $160

Great price, where'd you buy it?

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Re: Canon G12 or G1X?
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2012, 06:43:29 AM »
Believe it or not it popped up on Amazon.  I figured it was a display model or had cosmetic damage.  When it arrived it was the real deal - original packaging, no dings, in mint condition.
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