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Looking at stereo (3D) photos without equipment
« on: April 08, 2008, 01:27:13 AM »
Okay, back over on the hot topic about the strange radial lines SE of Marfa (they're cattle trails folks), Shanea commented that sometimes things don't just jump out at you and he noted the fuzzy/wavy artwork of a decade or more ago that some found especially tricky to resolve.

The topic deserves its own spot...so here we go.

First, a short history and a primer...very non-technical.

Stereophotography has been around almost as long as cameras. Somebody figured out that if you took two slightly different angles of the same view you could do with photos what your eyes do to the world around you...render it in three dimensions. Once this was known, 3D photos became a social rage for a time in the 1800s with stereopticons (viewers) being ubiquitous. You can still buy old stereo views at antique shops and there are reproduction stereopticons available today to view those vintage scenes. Stereo photography quickly grew from a novelty to a valuable tool. One of its greatest expressions lies in aerial photography where the ability to perceive depth has numerous applications. These kinds of photos are typically shot on 9" color transparencies, but there are thousands of black & white prints from earlier efforts. These prints are so large that a stereoscope is used to make it easy to view, plus it adds the ability to magnify the image.

However, you do not need a scope to view these or most any other stereo pair. You just need practice.

The vast majority of the public is familiar with the Viewmaster 3D wheels. A Viewmaster is nothing more than a primitive stereoscope and it is needed because the 3D wheels have such tiny images that you could not view them without the magnifier.

When you look through any stereoscope (and most folks who took a basic geology class in college probably had the next step up in quality...a cheap folding plastic stereoscope that was entirely adequate for the intended purpose) all it really is doing is isolating the images so the left eye only sees the left image and so on for the right eye. Any magnification is a bonus, but not needed for depth perception. This separation-of-view aspect is important later own down the page.

Now, if you have large prints but no stereoscope, you can just hold them up about arms length and force yourself to see only one image with each eye, just like the stereoscope does. Initially, this can be difficult to do and a certain amount of eyestrain will probably result. It won't hurt you so take a break and try again. Once you get the hang of it, you mostly will never bother with the scope again. Whether doing it unaided or with a scope, the images MUST be in vertical registration otherwise it will be difficult or impossible to resolve. Horizontal registration is almost a non issue as the worst that can happen is you hold the photos too far apart. When trying to bring the photos into 3D if helps, if hand held, to move the images slightly and slowly up and down with respect to each other. You want to fixate on some prominent feature and the slight motion will cause the image to 'pop' rather quickly. If using a scope just slightly rotate the device back and forth around the center point and the same effect will occur.

Depth perception in real time is a function of your interocular distance...your eyes are a couple of inches apart and that is enough to produce depth. However, if you move the camera only 2 inches you will faithfully reproduce that distance and create some awfully dull images. This is where vertical exaggeration comes into play. While that is a term referring to the apparent relief you see in an aerial photo, it applies as well to horizontal shots of landscapes. Because the 'interocular' distance of an aerial camera can be very long due to aircraft speed...and the images are typically shot several thousand feet up, you get some incredibly impressive relief features when looking at the images. The exaggeration can exceed a factor of 10. It makes you wish you could live in that very vertical world where tiny depressions start looking like major canyons.

If you do this much exaggeration on the ground, you will get grotesquely distorted features and any people in the photos will end up with impossibly long arms if they are oriented across the view on a 45 degree angle or so. I have found that shifting about shoulder's width....basically leaning over the left foot and then rocking over to the right for the second image, will produce a very pleasing effect.

This brings us to the images below. These are all stereophotos shot with a digital camera, and handheld. There are tripod rigs to precisely shift the camera and there are even some really old 35mm stereo film cameras that will do it all with one shot. For me, that's just too much stuff and since I do this for my own entertainment, a little flaw here and there is acceptable. There are challenges to shooting handheld and taking two shots to create the 3D image. Here are the main bugs....people in the photo move slightly or grossly between shots (you have to warn folks to stand still while you do this), wind moving vegetation, objects in the foreground being too close to the camera and thus never being able to bring them into 3D when viewing (and it is very distracting when looking at the rest of the scene), excessive 'interocular' spread, loss of vertical registration between shots (a gridded viewfinder is a great help), lighting conditions change rapidly (clouds blowing over).

All of these things can be dealt with and most are solved through practice. You just learn what works. As an aside, transparencies and digital images can be successful projected, but you need two projectors and polarizing filters for each projector to match the glasses viewers will wear. You also need a metallic screen as polarizing filters do not significantly affect specular reflections (which is what comes off a metalized screen) thus the polarized image that hits the screen is reflected as polarized light, allowing your glasses to work correctly rather than filtering out the reflection as they would on a water reflection. A lenticular screen is what you need, but a very useable screen can be made by applying aluminum spray paint to a piece of masonite.

Okay, now it's time to look at the photos, but there is one last piece of information. If you look carefully at these images it is possible in a few cases to see that these are not left and right pairs but, instead right and left, meaning they are swapped side-to-side. In playing with stitching the images together and viewing them on a monitor, I found it was easier to resolve them by basically viewing them cross-eyed. The reason you don't do this when looking at prints or through a scope is that you can control what each eye is doing. With the images directly next to each other, it is much harder to do that. So, sit back about an arm's length from the screen and stare at the stitch line. Move your head in and out and even slightly side to side (like rotating the scope). You want to cause a middle image to appear and then you have to concentrate on matching a common point. Once you do, you will have 3D. If you've never done this before you will initially find that the effect slips and you have to work to get it back. With practice you can keep a lock on it and if you had several photos stacked vertically on the screen you could even move among them without losing the effect. And since that is they way they appear here, you can try that out as well.

With that out of the way, here are 8 images of secret places few have seen (none of them are in a park, so there are no trails and no people). Enjoy, they are rather nice if I may say so.















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Re: Looking at stereo (3D) photos without equipment
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2008, 09:38:53 AM »
Very cool, it took a bit but it works. :eusa_clap:
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Re: Looking at stereo (3D) photos without equipment
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2008, 10:26:26 AM »
I tried this technique a few years ago with my panoramas.....Pretty cool but gave me a headache

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Re: Looking at stereo (3D) photos without equipment
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2008, 10:43:25 AM »
These things never work for me.  Heck, I can't even get binoculars to work.  Must've been dropped on my head too many times as a kid...

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Re: Looking at stereo (3D) photos without equipment
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2008, 12:11:24 PM »
Very cool, it took a bit but it works. :eusa_clap:

Yep, but the more you use it the easier it becomes. It takes me just a fraction of a second to resolve these.
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Re: Looking at stereo (3D) photos without equipment
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2008, 12:34:16 PM »
I tried this technique a few years ago with my panoramas.....Pretty cool but gave me a headache

I'm not surprised. Panoramas are such a wide image that it's pretty much impossible to get the whole thing in view. It's really a technique for normal image dimensions. Also, subjects far away require more lateral movement to achieve acceptable depth. I have a stereo pair I shot in the Tetons many years ago where I moved about 10 feet laterally between shots because I was shooting across the flat valley floor toward the peaks.

Because of the lateral distance I was careful to not include the near foreground (for the previously mentioned problem of resolving close subjects. When I got the slides back I had a rather interesting view. The valley floor was quite well registered and the sagebrush marched toward the mountains. However, the mountains themselves look for all the world like a cutout that has been propped up in the distance. They were so far away there is no depth, and the clouds over the peaks have an equally odd appearance...a 2D artifact in a 3D view.

The technique is best applied to the kinds of scenes I posted, where things are relatively close to the camera and there is a lot of depth in the view.

One other extremely unique 3D effect can be achieved with a camera mounted strobe. The whole premise of sterophotography is that you are taking two photos of an unchanging scene. With a strobe on a camera, the scene doesn't change but the lighting does...meaning as you shift position the shadow itself has a different position.

This creates a technical error but if you look at the image you will see something that only can be captured in an image.

Because the shadow moves with the camera you will see the oddest thing...a shadow that has depth. It's actually slightly disorienting because you are not expecting something that cannot physically exist. This is best done indoors with objects in the midground that will cast a shadow on the wall behind. I have a transparency pair that illustrates it quite well but am too lazy to go find it and scan. Maybe I will do it again with the digital camera.
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Re: Looking at stereo (3D) photos without equipment
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2008, 12:42:32 PM »
These things never work for me.  Heck, I can't even get binoculars to work.  Must've been dropped on my head too many times as a kid...

Well, you have some examples to work with. Don't give up. Try various distances and crossing/uncrossing your eyes while staring at the images, and avoid glancing away from the photo.

Describing how to view 3D photos is a challenge because learning how to do this without a stereoscope is quite unlike following directions for using some piece of hardware. You have to find what works.

With binos are you adjusting them to see a circular view or are you achieving the Hollywood version that gives a view similar to the Mastercard logo? I give movies that show the circle a high mark for reality, but most show the mask-type view. You have to have the circle to see depth.
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Re: Looking at stereo (3D) photos without equipment
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2008, 01:01:58 PM »
These things never work for me.  Heck, I can't even get binoculars to work.  Must've been dropped on my head too many times as a kid...
Well, you have some examples to work with. Don't give up. Try various distances and crossing/uncrossing your eyes while staring at the images, and avoid glancing away from the photo.

Describing how to view 3D photos is a challenge because learning how to do this without a stereoscope is quite unlike following directions for using some piece of hardware. You have to find what works.

With binos are you adjusting them to see a circular view or are you achieving the Hollywood version that gives a view similar to the Mastercard logo? I give movies that show the circle a high mark for reality, but most show the mask-type view. You have to have the circle to see depth.
Yeah, I always get just the MasterCard logo.  It doesn't help that my eyes are farther apart than the average person.  Lots of binocs don't adjust wide enough for my eyes.  Even when they do, I usually give up and primarily view through just one eye.  Had the same problems using microscopes back in school.  I once spent about 30 minutes trying in vain to see if I could get one of those hidden images to appear.  All I got was a headache.  Tried your images for a few minutes but no joy.  Gave up when my eyes started to hurt.  I'll just have to survive with 2D photos.

 

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