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Title: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: badknees on November 04, 2012, 10:05:55 PM
Does this look too much....HDR??

(http://mirrormagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/D7K_2987_8_9_tonemapped-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: RichardM on November 04, 2012, 10:10:41 PM
Looks good to me. Just enough pop without looking electric (for lack of a better term).
Title: Re: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: The Scorpion on November 04, 2012, 10:21:39 PM
to me it looks "natural" as in what your eye sees.
Title: Re: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: badknees on November 04, 2012, 10:32:09 PM
Follow the link to see the source photos...

http://mirrormagic.com/?p=3901 (http://mirrormagic.com/?p=3901)
Title: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: Lance on November 04, 2012, 10:41:37 PM
This is an ideal shot for bracketing.
I think it looks natural and your bracketed set captures the highlights of the sky and the shadow details of the canyon..
Title: Re: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: badknees on November 04, 2012, 10:54:01 PM
Thanks. Canyons are tough with some blending method.
Title: Re: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: TexasAggieHiker on November 04, 2012, 10:56:45 PM
Looks good.  Wish I could do something like that.  I was just in the big cave along Blue Creek Canyon trail.  I could never capture the scene the way I wanted.  The far hills across the canyon were washed out or the details of the cave wouldn't show up.
Title: Re: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: badknees on November 04, 2012, 11:07:35 PM
Looks good.  Wish I could do something like that.  I was just in the big cave along Blue Creek Canyon trail.  I could never capture the scene the way I wanted.  The far hills across the canyon were washed out or the details of the cave wouldn't show up.

You can....Have a tripod and $99?

Title: Re: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: bhodges85 on November 04, 2012, 11:30:24 PM
Looks good.  I like it.
Title: Re: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: iCe on November 05, 2012, 07:36:35 AM
I like it. Did you use Nik HDR Efex Pro? I've been using it for about a month and it's usually a little "gentler" than Photomatix so this has "the look" of HDR Efex. Easier to use too.

If you are a Photoshop user (Elements or CS) PM me your email address and I'll send you an action set that I think you'll like. It's not for HDR. I called the set Finishing Actions, because they are for making the last tweaks that make an image pop and saving as a JPG three different ways.  I learned a technique for adding pop to images that makes even the small ones pop but when I try to explain it I always make it seem more complicated than it is so I made it an action. Now all people have to do is click it and the adjustment is created and  ready to go.
Title: Re: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: badknees on November 05, 2012, 09:57:50 AM
I like it. Did you use Nik HDR Efex Pro? I've been using it for about a month and it's usually a little "gentler" than Photomatix so this has "the look" of HDR Efex. Easier to use too.

If you are a Photoshop user (Elements or CS) PM me your email address and I'll send you an action set that I think you'll like. It's not for HDR. I called the set Finishing Actions, because they are for making the last tweaks that make an image pop and saving as a JPG three different ways.  I learned a technique for adding pop to images that makes even the small ones pop but when I try to explain it I always make it seem more complicated than it is so I made it an action. Now all people have to do is click it and the adjustment is created and  ready to go.
I did use Photomatix, but was conservative.

Check PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: ambersdad on November 06, 2012, 04:28:49 AM
Does this look too much....HDR??

I'm not a big HDR fan. Most of them look overworked, but I like this shot. In my opinion, well done.
Title: Re: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: Traces of Texas on November 26, 2012, 11:37:35 AM
Looks great to me with one caveat: the yellows on the bush on the right-hand side look a tad overdone. It might just be my monitor, though.

It's really easy to overcook HDR and I should know as I am guilty of it all the time.
Title: Re: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: RichardM on November 26, 2012, 01:18:11 PM
Looks great to me with one caveat: the yellows on the bush on the right-hand side look a tad overdone. It might just be my monitor, though.
Well, then my monitor here at work must really suck, as I don't see any yellows on the bush! :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: badknees on November 26, 2012, 03:15:06 PM
Looks great to me with one caveat: the yellows on the bush on the right-hand side look a tad overdone. It might just be my monitor, though.

It's really easy to overcook HDR and I should know as I am guilty of it all the time.

The bush on the right is quite green. It may be your monitor. Is it calibrated? Are you viewing in a color managed application?...Mine looks correct with a color managed application and 2 calibrated monitors.
Title: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: kevint on November 26, 2012, 05:26:50 PM
I also failed to see what you are referring to.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: The Scorpion on November 26, 2012, 06:17:27 PM
looks fine to me also...

you can easily check and set your monitors settings using the graphics on this page, it wont make it perfect, but it will really get your monitor close to what you should be seeing

http://epaperpress.com/monitorcal/



Title: Re: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: badknees on November 26, 2012, 08:43:15 PM
Trust........your workflow!

Hardware calibration and profile generation is really the only reliable method. The easiest thing to calibrate is a CRT, but they drift over time (and who has one anyway?). LCDs and LEDs are problematic because they are way too bright for photo work. This can be taken care of if you measure the brightness (with a hardware calibrator) and dial down to about 100 - Cd/m2, depending on the ambient lighting. Do not have the monitor at it's default brightness (~200 cd/m2), cause if you process your photos like that, any prints you try to make will be dark. Another problem with LEDs and LCDs (especially cheap TN panels), is narrow viewing angles and variations across the panel. IPS panels are much better for calibration, and they are getting better all the time. I used to have a "good" NEC LCD but it was a bear to calibrate. I now have 2 Dell 22" IPS LEDs that calibrate like a charm and they are virually identical. The fundamental step in any decent workflow is to make sure that what you see is reproducible.

Another problem that rears it's head all the time.........->Unfortunately there are'nt enough commonly used applications that honor embedded color spaces and display them correctly. Among the culprits are...Internet Explorer (prior to 9), MS Paint, MS Word, Windows Photo Viewer. These applications assume that the photos they are displaying are in the sRGB color space, regardless of the tags that are embedded in the file. This can cause major color shifts, especially if someone post a photo in the Adobe RGB color space and it is viewed with one of the applications I have listed above. Chrome honors color space, but not at it's default state. You have to set it up that way, but I can't remember how as I don't use Chrome. Safari and Firefox are color managed browsers.  The only saviour for most people is the fact that the default profile that most standard monitors is "loosely" designed to match sRGB. This helps, but it's just not enough for critical color work.

The result of this failure to calibrate and profile is.....you don't see what I see and what you are intended to see.

This is a long and complex subject, but there are plenty of resources out there that can explain better than I...

Try this for a primer...http://photo.net/learn/digital-photography-workflow/color-management/ (http://photo.net/learn/digital-photography-workflow/color-management/)


Title: Re: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: kevint on November 26, 2012, 09:24:09 PM
Chrome honors color space, but not at it's default state. You have to set it up that way, but I can't remember how as I don't use Chrome.


http://www.binaryturf.com/enable-color-management-google-chrome/ (http://www.binaryturf.com/enable-color-management-google-chrome/)
Title: Tone Mapped HDR
Post by: Casa Grande on November 27, 2012, 06:54:07 AM
It looks great BK.   

Hey Traces!  Good to see you around these parts!