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What's the deal?

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Offline Al

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What's the deal?
« on: January 24, 2010, 09:21:17 PM »
These guys haven't contacted me in any way and are using my picture commercially.  It is upsetting they would do this without my permission regardless of their good taste. 



Homero, thanks for the head's up.

Al

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Re: What's the deal?
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2010, 09:54:58 PM »
I savor that shot so much I even have it on my mouse pad.



Al

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Offline badknees

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Re: What's the deal?
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2010, 10:01:36 PM »
I savor that shot so much I even have it on my mouse pad.



Al

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Offline Al

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Re: What's the deal?
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2010, 10:07:29 PM »
You probably wouldn't believe the range of attorneys I work with.

Al

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Re: What's the deal?
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2010, 10:48:00 PM »
I'd definitely contact the management at the Holland.

And for those looking to compare the pics, here's the version Al posted to the Gallery.


Looks like a match to me.

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Offline Al

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Re: What's the deal?
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2010, 10:54:08 PM »
Thanks Richard.  I posted that level of resolution solely for consideration in this year's Big Bend Chat calendar and not for others to use commercially.  

Al

PS You can even see the defects of my scan in the Texas Highways ad.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2010, 11:19:20 PM by Al »

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Offline txhiker

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Re: What's the deal?
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2010, 12:42:50 AM »
Looks the same to me. I'm glad when my pics are used but I do like the credit. They should have not done that without asking. Is there any chance they got your pic off somewhere else where there was no way to track the photographer?
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Offline Al

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Re: What's the deal?
« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2010, 01:40:08 AM »
No, that scan has only been posted once on the Internet and Richard referenced it.

Al

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Offline txhiker

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Re: What's the deal?
« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2010, 02:23:49 AM »
I see, well, I hope something good turns out of all of this. And since I didn't mention it earlier bty...amazing shot!
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Offline Terlingua50337

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Re: What's the deal?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2010, 09:19:45 AM »
I don't understand how in this day and age people can not know that photographs, especially good ones, are intelluctual property and are copyrighted the moment the shutter trips.

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Re: What's the deal?
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2010, 09:26:20 AM »
I'd look at what they did as no different than software pirating.  At least ask the author for permission.  For some folks, photography is an income.

Al - that is an awesome shot!  Is there any backstory to the shot?  I'm sure there's a good story in that picture.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2010, 09:30:56 AM by dkerr24 »

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Re: What's the deal?
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2010, 12:56:26 PM »


Homero, thanks for the head's up.

Al

 So i'm watching this magazine i recieved on my P.O.box, Texashighways.com, i started flipping the magazine because on the cover i see a full report on Floating the Rio Grande ......thought to self: this is something i have read and know some....thank God for all those picture request. :icon_rolleyes:

 Anyhow, i keep flipping the magazine and on page 59  (go on now and look it up at your local magazine stand) i see a picture that is as familiar as my birthmark on my left hand...Al's on top of EL Pico picture climb that he added his story to my Puerto Rico mine trip to the Del Carmen's on Nov 2008 . He posted some spectacular pictures..(scanned) that we here had no idea of the views up there and in short gave Al a unique star studded status among the board members here.

 So i see his picture on the Holland Hotel add that reads: "Planning a Big Bend adventure?....Let the Holland make it historic"...well this all wrong , i say. Why?:
1) The picture is not in Big Bend National Park
2) It is completely in another country (Mexico) and right now, you can not visit it from Big Bend due to the inmigration restraints in effect in the U.S.
3) The Holland Hotel can not advertise this, because they can not offer a trip to this area..at all. It is completely out of their area, they have no property or access to the place; meaning there are no dirt roads up there, only burro trails and extremly steep passage ways. You can not drive up there.Again,check out the trip report where Al's pictures and story were reported.
4) It is located in a Mexican government protected area, you need authorization and a guide from the local Ejidatarios from Las Norias de Boquillas, Coahuila. MEXICO to acompany you , if you want to go up there.

 With all this arguments said, I say that Al deserves some compensation of some sort from the Holland Hotel, to say the least.

 Al, anytime we are all out here watching our six for any so called surprises we see out yonder.

 Homero

 P.S.- Thank God i posted this sooner than TJ, before he gets his blood all boiled up and lets the Holland have it all. :nailbitting:
Stay thirsty, my friends.

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What's the deal? -response from Holland Hotel
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2010, 10:04:01 AM »
Dear friends (and Al?) - not sure to whom I am addressing this response - but I do want our side of this issue heard. As General Manager of the Holland (and long time member of Big Bend Chat) - I found that photo of lovely mountains  - that was NOT copyrighted, water marked, credit required - nothing labeled as such - from a tourism website that has these "uncredited" photos available for use. I saw it under a "west Texas" category and liked the shot. Since it was NOT credited and I had seen a couple of other similar shots of this rustic area I liked - I chose it to use. If  unintentionally  we have infringed in any way on an artist’s work – I am happy to recompense give credit and/or discontinue use.  I just need to hear from the artist directly so we can discuss – rather than do this through others.  I am easy to contact at The Holland.

Thank you,

Wilding 

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Re: What's the deal?
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2010, 01:37:40 PM »
wilding,

 Would you please provide a link or the address of the "tourism website" that has the uncredited photos?

I'm fairly certain that I'm the one that asked Al to post his picture in the BBC Gallery and I'm feeling kinda
crappy about it. Thanks.
Fort Worth

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Offline RichardM

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Re: What's the deal?
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2010, 02:12:34 PM »
I don't understand how in this day and age people can not know that photographs, especially good ones, are intelluctual property and are copyrighted the moment the shutter trips.
Apparently there are folks who don't agree with you. I've added a copyright disclaimer which should appear on all pages of the board.

Dear friends (and Al?) - not sure to whom I am addressing this response - but I do want our side of this issue heard. As General Manager of the Holland (and long time member of Big Bend Chat) - I found that photo of lovely mountains  - that was NOT copyrighted, water marked, credit required - nothing labeled as such - from a tourism website that has these "uncredited" photos available for use.
I gather the operators of this "tourism website" make money by scouring the internet for "unlabeled" photographs that they then resell as "uncredited"? Not cool. Not cool at all. Hopefully the disclaimer I added today will discourage others from doing the same here, but I won't hold my breath. My guess is these "operators" are assuming/hoping that anyone not willing/able to add watermarks, edit their Exif data, etc. won't be willing to sue. Or maybe they're just hoping they won't get caught.
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