Friends of Big Bend National Park
Big Bend Conservancy

Over-estimating your experience or under-estimating the terrain in a place like Big Bend can result in serious injury or death. Use the information and advice found here wisely. Climb/Hike/Camp/Drive at your own risk.

+-Calendar for sale

 2019 BigBendChat Calendar on sale now!


Mexico's Roswell...

  • 10 Replies
  • 11828 Views
*

SHANEA

  • Guest
Mexico's Roswell...
« on: June 11, 2007, 11:56:03 PM »
Hey Homero, what do you know about this?  This is the first I've ever heard of this incident....

Wow, reads like the Andromeda Strain....





http://www.ufocasebook.com/mexicosroswellbook.html

Quote
From the UFO Casebook Archives...
1974 Aug 25 - Coyame, Chihuahua, Mexico-Disk Crashes  On August 25, 1974, along the Rio Grande River near the Texas border town of Presidio, a thunderous explosion in the sky shattered the stillness of the warm summer night. An unidentified flying disc traveling at 2,000 miles per hour collided with a small airplane heading south from El Paso, Texas. The flaming wreckage of both aircraft fell to the Mexican desert and immediately became the object of an intense recovery effort by military forces from both Mexico and the United States.

This new book reveals, for the first time, the shocking story of that night's historic events, as two governments raced to a remote corner of the Chihuahuan Desert in an effort to recover evidence of a technology from beyond the stars. Mexico's Roswell: The Chihuahua UFO Crash is now available for online purchase ($13.95) from VBW Publishing of College Station, Texas.


http://www.ufocasebook.com/chihuahuamexico1974.html

Quote
On 25 Aug 74, at 2207 hrs, US Air Defense radar detected an unknown object approaching US airspace from the Gulf of Mexico. Originally the object was tracked at 2,200 (2,530 mph) knots on a bearing of 325 degrees and at an altitude of 75,000 feet, a course that would intercept US territory about forty miles southwest of Corpus Christi, Texas. After approximately sixty seconds of observation, at a position 155 miles southeast of Corpus Christi, the object decelerated to approximately 1700 (1,955 mph) knots, turned to a heading of 290 degrees, and began a slow descent. It entered Mexican airspace approximately forty miles south of Brownsville, Texas. Radar tracked it approximately 500 miles to a point near the town of Coyame, in the state of Chihuahua, not far from the US border. There the object suddenly disappeared from the radar screens.

During the flight over Mexican airspace, the object leveled off at 45,000 feet, then descended to 20,000 feet. The descent was in level steps, not a smooth curve or straight line, and each level was maintained for approximately five minutes.

The object was tracked by two different military radar installations. It would have been within range of Brownsville civilian radar, but it is assumed that no civilian radar detected the object due to a lack of any such reports. The point of disappearance from the radar screens was over a barren and sparsely populated area of Northern Mexico. At first it was assumed that the object had descended below the radar's horizon and a watch was kept for any re-emergence of the object. None occurred.

At first it was assumed that the object might be a meteor because of the high speed and descending flight path. But meteors normally travel at higher speeds, and descend in a smooth arc, not in "steps." And meteors do not normally make a thirty-five degree change in course. Shortly after detection an air defense alert was called. However, before any form of interception could be scrambled, the object turned to a course that would not immediately take it over US territory. The alert was called off within twenty minutes after the object's disappearance from the radar screen.

Fifty-two minutes after the disappearance, civilian radio traffic indicated that a civilian aircraft had gone down in that area. But it was clear that the missing aircraft had departed El Paso International with a destination of Mexico City, and could not, therefore, have been the object tracked over the Gulf of Mexico.

It was noted, however, that they both disappeared in the same area and at the same time.

With daylight the next day, Mexican authorities began a search for the missing plane. At Approximately 10:35 hours, there came a radio report that wreckage from the missing plane had been spotted from the air. Almost immediately came a report of a second plane on the ground a few miles from the first. A few minutes later an additional report stated that the second "plane" was circular shaped and apparently in one piece although damaged. A few minutes after that the Mexican military clamped a radio silence on all search efforts.

The radio interceptions were reported through channels to the CIA. Possibly as many as two additional government agencies also received reports, but such has not been confirmed as of this date. The CIA immediately began forming a recovery team. The speed with which this team and its equipment was assembled suggests that this was either a well-rehearsed exercise or one that had been performed prior to this event.

In the meantime, requests were initiated at the highest levels between the United States and Mexican governments that the US recovery team be allowed onto Mexican territory to "assist." These requests were met with professed ignorance and a flat refusal of any cooperation.

By 21:00 hrs, 26 Aug 1974, the recovery team had assembled and been staged at Fort Bliss. Several helicopters were flown in from some unknown source and assembled in a secured area. These helicopters were painted a neutral sand color and bore no markings. Eye witness indicates that there were three smaller craft, very probably UHl Hueys from the description. There was also a larger helicopter, possibly a Sea Stallion. Personnel from this team remained with their craft and had no contact with other Ft. Bliss personnel.

Satellite and aircraft overflight that day indicated that both the crashed disk and the civilian aircraft had been removed from the crash sites and loaded on flat bed trucks. Later flights confirmed that the convoy had departed the area heading south.

At that point the CIA had to make a choice; either to allow this unknown aircraft to stay in the hands of the Mexican government, or to launch the recovery team, supplemented by any required military support, to take the craft. There occurred, however, an event that took the choice out of their hands. High altitude overflights indicated that the convoy had stopped before reaching any inhabited areas or major roads. Recon showed no activity, and radio contact between the Mexican recovery team and its headquarters had ceased. A low altitude, high speed overflight was ordered.

The photos returned by that aircraft showed all trucks and jeeps stopped, some with open doors, and two human bodies laying on the ground beside two vehicles. The decision was immediately made to launch the recovery team, but the actual launching was held up for the arrival of additional equipment and two additional personnel. It was not until 14:38 hrs that the helicopters departed Ft. Bliss.

The four helicopters followed the border down towards Presidio then turned and entered Mexican airspace north of Candelaria. They were over the convoy site at 16:53 hrs. All convoy personnel were dead, most within the trucks. Some recovery team members, dressed in bioprotection suits, reconfigured the straps holding the object on the flatbed truck, then attached them to a cargo cable from the Sea Stallion. By 17:14 hrs the recovered object was on its way to US territory. Before leaving the convoy site, members of the recovery team gathered together the Mexican vehicles and bodies, then destroyed all with high explosives. This included the pieces of the civilian light plane which had been involved in the mid-air collision. At 17:46 hrs the Hueys departed.

The Hueys caught up with the Sea Stallion as it reentered US airspace. The recovery team then proceeded to a point in the Davis Mountains, approximately twenty-five miles northeast of Valentine. There they landed and waited until 02:25 hrs the next morning. At that time they resumed the flight and rendezvoused with a small convoy on a road between Van Horn and Kent. The recovered disk was transferred to a truck large enough to handle it and capable of being sealed totally. Some of the personnel from the Huey's transferred to the convoy.

All helicopters then returned to their original bases for decontamination procedures. The convoy continued non-stop, using back roads and smaller highways, and staying away from cities. The destination of the convoy reportedly was Altanta, Georgia.

Here the hard evidence thins out. One unconfirmed report says the disk was eventually transferred to Wright-Patterson AF Base. Another says that the disk was either transferred after that to another unnamed base, or was taken directly to this unknown base directly from Atlanta.

The best description of the disk was that it was sixteen feet, five inches in diameter, convex on both upper and lower surfaces to the same degree, possessing no visible doors or windows. The thickness was slightly less than five feet. The color was silver, much like polished steel. There were no visible lights nor any propulsion means. There were no markings. There were two areas of the rim that showed damage, one showing an irregular hole approximately twelve inches in diameter with indented material around it. The other damage was described as a "dent" about two feet wide. The weight of the object was estimated as approximately one thousand, five hundred pounds, based on the effect of the weight on the carrying helicopter and those who transferred it to the truck.

There was no indication in the documentation available as to whether anything was visible in the "hole."

It seems likely that the damage with the hole was caused by the collision with the civilian aircraft. That collision occurred while the object was traveling approximately 1700 knots (1,955 mph). Even ignoring the speed of the civilian aircraft, the impact would have been considerable at that speed. This is in agreement with the description of the civilian aircraft as being "almost totally destroyed." What was being taken from the crash site was pieces of the civilian aircraft.

The second damage may have resulted when the object impacted with the ground. The speed in that case should have been considerably less than that of the first impact.

No mention is made of the occupants of the civilian aircraft. It is not known if any body or bodies were recovered. Considering the destruction of the civilian light aircraft in mid-air, bodies may well not have come down near the larger pieces.

Unfortunately what caused the deaths of the Mexican recovery team is not known. Speculation ranges from a chemical released from the disk as a result of the damage, to a microbiological agent. There are no indications of death or illness by any of the recovery team. It would not have been illogical for the recovery team to have taken one of the bodies back with them for analysis. But there is no indication of that having happened. Perhaps they did not have adequate means of transporting what might have been a biologically contaminated body.

Inquires to the FAA reveal no documents concerning the civilian aircraft crash, probably because it did not involve a US aircraft.

Sources:

www.ufobbs.com/txt4/3263.ufo

www.about.com

Vince Johnson, alt.paranet.ufo.den eb


http://www.ufocasebook.com/chihuahuamexico1974.html

http://www.amazon.com/Mexicos-Roswell-Noe-Torres/dp/product-description/1602640130

Quote
From the afterword by Stanton T. Friedman, nuclear physicist and original Roswell investigator
"Noe Torres and Ruben Uriarte are to be commended for taking on this task... I hope that this book will encourage others to come forward."

Speaking of Strange by Joshua P. Warren, May 12, 2007
"You've all heard about Roswell. But have you ever heard about what they call "Mexico's Roswell"? This was an amazing incident that happened in August of 1974 ... It's all recounted in a new book by Ruben Uriarte, who has long worked with MUFON, and his co-author Noe Torres."

UFO Mystic: The Redfern Files by Nick Redfern, May 11, 2007
"A new book - Mexico's Roswell by Ruben Uriarte and Noe Torres - has just been published on the Chihuahua UFO Crash story of 1974. This is a case that was the focus of a History Channel production some time ago, and has been discussed briefly in several books and publications; however, this is the first full-length study of the incident."

Elaine Douglass, MIT graduate and veteran UFO researcher, June 2, 2007
"I love the book! I read the whole book and I really like all of it, especially the first part where you tell the story of the crash and retrieval. The way you tell the story is very exciting, a great read. The prose really moves along and keeps the reader on the edge of her seat. Great job guys! You put in so much work on the story and it shows. I am glad to have been associated with this work; it is a great satisfaction to me."

Book Description
On August 25, 1974, along the Rio Grande River near the Texas border town of Presidio, a thunderous explosion in the sky shattered the stillness of the warm summer night. An unidentified flying disc traveling at 2,000 miles per hour collided with a small airplane heading south from El Paso, Texas. The flaming wreckage of both aircraft fell to the Mexican desert below, igniting a desperate race by two governments to recover technology from beyond the stars.

About the Author

Ruben Uriarte, a graduate of Cal State-Hayward with a degree in psychology and Latin American Studies, has been a member of the Mutual UFO Network for over 20 years, currently serves as state director for Northern California, and is MUFON's liaison to Mexico's leading civilian UFO group, OMIFO. A frequent speaker at UFO conferences and on radio and television, Uriarte was featured in the landmark 2005 History Channel documentary "Mexico's Roswell," about this same case.

Noe Torres holds a Master's degree in Libary Science from the University of Texas at Austin. After authoring two books on sports history, Ghost Leagues (2005) and Baseball's First Mexican-American Star (2006), and a motion picture screenplay, Torres has embarked with Ruben Uriarte on a series of UFO books, of which this is the first.


Excerpted from Mexico's Roswell by Noe Torres, Ruben Uriarte. Copyright 2007. Reprinted by permission. All rights reserved.
"All that we see or seem, is but a dream within a dream." Edgar Allan Poe.

Emitting an enormous, billowing cloud of dust behind it, the 1993 GMC Suburban shook and groaned as it bounced along a rugged, desolate dirt road in the Chihuahuan Desert about 50 miles north of Coyame, Mexico. Within the wildly vibrating interior of the sport utility vehicle, we, the authors of this book, and our entourage struggled in vain to maintain a firm grip on our digital cameras, GPS receivers, handheld computers, and other possessions. The day had been a difficult one for us, with many hours spent exploring this vast stretch of sun-drenched desert. Now finally, we were approaching the very place where our research indicated that a small airplane collided with an unidentified flying object, causing both aircraft to spiral out of control onto the desert below, on August 25, 1974.

As we turned a corner, our guide Martin Sanchez suddenly put the brakes on and the SUV skidded to a stop on the hard, rocky dirt road. Senor Pedro Venegas, who had joined our quest after we stopped to ask directions at his ranch nearby, pointed eagerly through the front windshield at a large gap that was visible between two nearby mountains ahead of us. "Alli?? esta! There it is!" He exclaimed, "Right between these mountains, you can see El Llano."

Shimmering in the desert sun ahead of us lay a vast white plain that extends for over 100 miles, north to south, and just beyond the plain, we could see the hazy magnificence of the Sierra La Esperanza mountain range, immediately to the east of which is the Rio Grande River and the international boundary separating Mexico from the United States of America. Reacting to the spectacular view of El Llano, I found myself saying, "Oh, my God. I had no idea it was so immense." Spread across the desert floor before us like a translucent white carpet, this expanse of flatness between mountains was the stage where one of the dramatic moments in human history is said to have occurred on a warm summer night in 1974.

As we sat inside our vehicle for a few moments, taking in the breathtaking panorama around us, the feeling grew deep inside me that we had arrived at a place of special importance. "My God, this is the place," I told the others. "We are right here where the U.S. helicopters from El Paso flew in to recover the crashed UFO."

Suddenly we all scrambled outside of the SUV to take photographs and gather in more of the feeling and flavor of this extraordinary place. I turned to Senor Venegas and asked, "Just over that mountain range is the Rio Grande River?"

"Si??," he replied, "There is actually a road that you can take with a four-wheel drive that goes over that mountain and right up to the river. From there, you cross on a raft, and you're in Ruiodosa, Texas. A little bit north of there is Candelaria, Texas."

As we scanned the vastness of the nearby plain, he turned to me and said, "If those helicopters wanted to get out of Mexico fast without any trouble, this would be the perfect place." Pointing to Sierra La Esperanza, he added, "Right over those mountains."

Standing in the early afternoon sun in Mexico's Chihuahuan Desert on this clear, cool day in January 2007, the members of our UFO investigation team quietly struggled to grasp the full significance of what occurred near the very place where we stood. The crash of a flying disk and a small airplane near this very spot is often referred to as the most significant UFO event since the Roswell saucer crash of 1947. Gilberto E. Rivera, one of Mexico's leading UFO researchers, calls the Coyame incident "comparable in scope to the July 1947 UFO crash near Roswell."

Dubbed "Mexico's Roswell," the mid-air collision near Coyame of an airplane and a UFO has been the subject of a major documentary by The History Channel in 2005 and numerous articles in newspapers, magazines, and Web sites. As more information comes to light about it, UFO researchers say, the Coyame case might one day be viewed as being of even more significance than Roswell.

During our investigative visit to El Llano, we uncovered many strange things. We heard countless eerie stories told by the humble people who inhabit the region's small towns and villages. Coyame resident Leandro Valeriano told me, "We know that strange things sometimes come out of the sky, and they can harm you. They are dangerous to approach."

In this book, we will look closely at the events of the last week of August 1974, when this rugged, lonely stretch of desert near the Mexico-Texas border suddenly became a whirlwind of activity, as two governments raced to recover the remnants of what was perhaps a vehicle sent to our planet by entities not of this Earth. In this most unlikely of places for such high drama to unfold, some believe that the UFO-airplane collision may have unleashed a form of alien bacteriological or chemical contamination that may have cost the lives of as many as 24 Mexican soldiers.

The story of what happened in 1974 near the tiny Mexican town of Coyame, Chihuahua, rivals the most intensely exciting science-fiction tale ever created, and yet those of us who have studied it carefully have the distinct suspicion that it is not fiction. Although concrete physical proof is, for the time being, lacking, this amazing story continues to captivate the imaginations of thousands of people on both sides of the U.S. border with Mexico.

*

SHANEA

  • Guest
Re: Mexico's Roswell...
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2007, 11:25:19 AM »

*

Offline homerboy2u

  • The Chipewa Cris tribe,Canada:
  • Mountain Lion
  • *
  • 5103
Re: Mexico's Roswell...
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2007, 01:39:42 PM »
I had listen to something fron The History Channel, but you know...being a hush hush topic, among the U.S. Govt. very little information is spread over it. I did see a guy , on Mexican Televison going in depth with this issue, but that was a long time a go.
Stay thirsty, my friends.

*

Offline noetorres

  • Kangaroo Rat
  • *
  • 4
Re: Mexico's Roswell...
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2007, 02:09:27 PM »
Hi,

I am one of the authors of the book Mexico's Roswell: The Chihuahua UFO Crash, and it is gratifying to see our book being discussed on this wonderful chat board. My co-author Ruben Uriarte and I just returned from a trip to the Big Bend area sponsored by a television production crew and cast from a national cable channel. They took us down to Coyame, Chihuahua, to do a follow-up report for TV on the supposed crash of a UFO there in August 1974. We filmed for approximately 20 hours in the Chihuahuan desert around the small town of Coyame, as well as in the town itself.

Coyame is an interesting little town, current population is 611. Very sleepy little village, but the residents are very nice and welcoming of strangers. Coyame Caverns is a very nice place to see, as well as the breathtaking desert scenery all around. The folks from the TV shoot, including Dr. Ronnie Milione, William J. Birne, and Pat Uskert, were all very impressed with the locale.

While in the area, I spent a lot of time around Marfa and the Chinati Mountains. I had a great visit with the folks at the Marfa Book Company and was happy to learn that they have been selling copies of our book.

If anyone has any specific questions about the 1974 UFO incident and our investigation of it, please let me know.

Noe Torres
www.mexicosroswell. com

*

SHANEA

  • Guest
Re: Mexico's Roswell...
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2007, 02:33:42 PM »
Welcome with open arms!  I'd love to get down there sometime.  I've been to Area 51 3x, a number of secret installations in New Mexico and Arkansas, Menwith Hill UK, Los Alamos TA55, but never made it to Roswell.   :willynilly:

If you got any great pics, please post. 

Welcome again.

Regards,

ShaneA
« Last Edit: November 09, 2007, 02:41:15 PM by SHANEA »

*

Offline Casa Grande

  • Site Founder
  • Administrator
  • Mountain Lion
  • *
  • 6230
  • Bending It Since 1991
    • Virtual Big Bend
Re: Mexico's Roswell...
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2007, 05:29:21 PM »
good to have you here, NoeTorres.....looki ng forward to future updates!

*

Offline homerboy2u

  • The Chipewa Cris tribe,Canada:
  • Mountain Lion
  • *
  • 5103
Re: Mexico's Roswell...
« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2007, 08:10:33 AM »
Better yet, Noe Torres...why don't you share with us your perspective on Coyame. I am sure you have tons of material to share. This is your place buddy.

Homero
Stay thirsty, my friends.

*

Offline noetorres

  • Kangaroo Rat
  • *
  • 4
Re: Mexico's Roswell...
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2007, 09:00:25 AM »
Dear Big Bend Friends,

I just returned from a speaking engagement at a UFO conference in Las Vegas, Nevada, regarding the alleged 1974 crash of a UFO in Coyame, Chihuahua. While in Vegas, my co-author and I participated in a shoot for a TV show and also spoke on Internet radio's Jerry Pippin show. Interest in the 1974 crash continues to swell, and we fielded many questions about the Big Bend area, the Marfa lights, the Shafter ghost town, etc. If you would like to listen to our radio interview, we have links on our Web site ( www.mexicosroswell. com), or you can connect directly to:

www.mexicosroswell. com), or you can connect directly to:



Something very interesting we learned from other UFO researchers at the Vegas conference is that the U.S. military has, over the years, tested a number of very "experimental" saucer-type unconventional aircraft in isolated areas of Texas, New Mexico, Utah, Nevada, etc. Some of this technology may be reverse-engineered from the "real" UFOs themselves. We have to at least entertain the possibility that the 1974 Coyame UFO may have been one of these "UFO reproduction" experimental aircraft that was being tested.

I have some very interesting photographs to share with this group in my next post, all of which we've taken during several trips to the alleged UFO crash site. Thanks to everyone for posting messages of welcome to this forum. The Big Bend is one of my absolute favorite places on earth and is truly one of our last natural frontiers.

Noe Torres
www.mexicosroswell. com
« Last Edit: November 14, 2007, 09:12:29 AM by noetorres »

*

Offline noetorres

  • Kangaroo Rat
  • *
  • 4
Re: Mexico's Roswell...
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2008, 08:49:26 PM »
Dear Friends:
 
Ruben Uriarte and I will be appearing on the new History Channel TV show called UFO Hunters, which has just been officially announced. The segment based on our recent book Mexico's Roswell was filmed during an October 2007 trip to Coyame, Chihuahua, Mexico, where we investigated the reported mid-air crash between an airplane and a UFO in 1974. We found airplane wreckage on the ground, and the TV production crew filmed in the Coyame area for many hours. Ruben and I were technical advisers for the shoot, and we appear on screen a couple of times during the program. The new series will premiere on Feb. 6 at 9 PM (CT), and we've been told unofficially that the program we were in will probably be the third one to air, on Feb. 20, although the exact sequence of the shows is still subject to change.
 
Here's the link to a short promo of the new show: http://www.history.com/minisite.do?content_type=mini_home&mini_id=54840
 
Attached are some photos that we took during the filming session out in the Chihuahuan Desert near Big Bend National Park:
 

(1) The production team. Standing (L-R): Ruben Uriarte, Ron Millione, Pat Uskert, Bill Birnes. Seated (L-R): Noe Torres & Juan Ramos.
 
(2) Series stars Bill Birnes (right) and Ron Millione (center) discuss the UFO crash.
 
(3) Searching for UFO Relics
 
More info about this TV show and the book it was based on is at www.mexicosroswell. com.
 
 
Noe Torres.
 

*

Offline noetorres

  • Kangaroo Rat
  • *
  • 4
Re: Mexico's Roswell...
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2008, 09:00:33 PM »
Dear Friends:

In our recent trip to Coyame, Chihuahua, with a production crew from the History Channel, one of the most interesting and weird sites we visited is a mysterious circle of blackened dirt, in the center of which is a strange pit that is littered all around with metallic fragments. You will see a lot of footage about this site on the upcoming UFO Hunters program on the History Channel. The HC investigators had a Geiger counter with them, and the needle went haywire when it was lowered into this pit. I thought some of you folks might like looking at this weird site using Google Earth - so here is the info I posted recently on Google Earth:

A circular patch of blackened earth approximately 30 ft. in diameter,
located about five miles northwest of the small town of Coyame, Chihuahua,
Mexico. This patch of black dirt is littered with metallic debris, possibly
some from an aircraft. This site is featured in an episode of the History
Channel's UFO Hunters television series, scheduled to air in February of
2008. This site was also discussed in an article appearing in the July 2007
issue of UFO Magazine and in the book "Mexico's Roswell" written by Noe
Torres and Ruben Uriarte (www.mexicosroswell. com).

To view this mysterious site using Google Earth:
http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/download.php?Number=1092821

To view this site using Google Maps:


« Last Edit: January 13, 2008, 09:02:16 PM by noetorres »

*

SHANEA

  • Guest
Re: Mexico's Roswell...
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2008, 02:03:51 AM »

 


©COPYRIGHT NOTICE

All photographs and content posted by members are to be considered copyrighted by their respective owners and may not be used for any purposes, commercial or otherwise, without permission.

+-Calendar For Sale

 2019 BigBendChat Calendar on sale now!

Powered by EzPortal

Facebook Comments