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el Estado de Coahuila de Mexico => Serranias del Burro, Del Carmens, El Carmen => Topic started by: homerboy2u on November 11, 2008, 01:14:07 PM

Title: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on November 11, 2008, 01:14:07 PM
Well our trip over to Sierra del Carmen was a mixed blessing. Our trip  started as planned,but later after picking up our first traveller,it turned a little sour. One of our coolers fell from the truck on a U-turn, we did not noticed it because my truck is so big and with the new engine,it revs up so many RPM's that we saw it until we picked up our next friends in the the town of Allende. So other than the meats, we had to buy everything once again,bummer.

 I have tons of pictures,almost 370 on my end,some videos i need to load up (sorry,there will be no music in them) and i need to gather pictures from my other buddies as well to share them with you all.Specially the ones from Gilbertosl,who is an excellent amateur photographer.

 The temps over the Puerto Rico mine,plunged 20 degrees easily at dusk and the site is spectacular to have EL Pico just above us. The strenous conditions of the road up,took a toll on my F-350 and the jeep that went along for the trip. I came back in one piece but we had to haul the jeep back to town. It is part of the adventure.

 So folks,it is good to be back again,i just got caught up with the current issues on the board,now to upload the pictures and videos and start the thread.

 Technology is excellent ,over in the desert and things are beggining to pick up in Boquillas del Carmen.

Right now is IMPOSSIBLE to go up to Sierra del Carmen,due to the fact that the rcent desert rains washed out completely the ONLY entrance to the area called El Jardin ,the garden. So the only way in right now is to go thru the other side of SDC and go up thru a private ranch,which the owner happens to live in Piedras Negras,so another trip could be schedule for the near future...ro Big Bend.

Well, let me get to the uploading part and will start to post right away. BTW,if you have noticed, my username has chnaged from Homerboy2u2 to homerboy2u...just FYI.

Regards

Homero
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Perto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: badknees on November 11, 2008, 01:47:49 PM
Quote
Well, let me get to the uploading part


we're waiting :nailbitting:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Perto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Casa Grande on November 11, 2008, 04:04:01 PM
You're as bad as me, Homero...give us a teaser and walk away!
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Perto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: bdhawk133 on November 11, 2008, 05:03:25 PM
?D?nde est?n las fotos?  :eusa_naughty: :eusa_naughty:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Perto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on November 11, 2008, 05:06:39 PM
Fellas...I even have Detailed Waypoints for you to follow it on Google Earth: Basecamp,floor level for the Puerto Rico Mine,The Tunnel...all the villages around Boquillas del Carmen,Sat-Phone Numbers,i did my homework for all of you guys and gals.

  Videos of the Mine and the ruins where they used to do the smelting, before sending the ore over thru the terminal basket system to the Mariscal Mine smelting operations?. Ancient stuff,if you ask me,i was inside of the blast furnace....guys!,let me get out of here,please and finish my stuff!!.

 Teaser,later today..... :icon_biggrin:

Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Perto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on November 11, 2008, 05:46:55 PM
Teaser #1: I'm gonna need some help from the Moderator here...while i go and upload the rest. RicardoM ?..please resize. (done)

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/SDC-Mineral del Puerto Rico Nov2008 069.jpg)

Teser #2: On the deck of the Puerto Rico Mine

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/SDC-Mineral del Puerto Rico Nov2008 185.jpg)

 O.K...i now know i need to resize these things,Uuggghh :eusa_wall:



Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Perto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: dkerr24 on November 11, 2008, 10:30:38 PM
The picture sizes are displaying fine on my computer... they look great!!  Please upload more as that is an area most of us here will never get to see for ourselves.

Moderator note: you should've seen them when they were over 3000 pixels wide! :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Perto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Goldilocks on November 11, 2008, 10:44:10 PM
I'm glad you had a good trip, Homero.  I can't wait to hear more!

Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Perto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on November 13, 2008, 08:56:20 PM
Hey Doc Roy...maybe it would be a good idea if you could contact Joelg, for this thread,with his report on Hi from the Ore Terminal (http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/who-are-you/hi-from-the-ore-terminaland-austin-t4199.0.html), was the the one that spark my  interest to go and visit this area,i am pretty sure we could get a lot of insights from him,given that he has done a lot of research of this area and could contribute to this trip report.

 I know he has not posted since, but i think it would not be a bad idea,if you could get in touch with him and invite him over.

 Folks, i am almost halfway thru with the pics and videos, i want to get to it yesterday...almost done here.

Saludos
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Perto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Hoodoo on November 14, 2008, 10:01:04 AM
Hey Doc Roy...maybe it would be a good idea if you could contact Joelg, for this thread,with his report on Hi from the Ore Terminal (http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/who-are-you/hi-from-the-ore-terminaland-austin-t4199.0.html), was the the one that spark my  interest to go and visit this area,i am pretty sure we could get a lot of insights from him,given that he has done a lot of research of this area and could contribute to this trip report.

Homero,
The Ore Terminal was also discussed within this thread. (http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/el-salon/san-viciente-road-closure-t4189.0.html)

Patiently waiting... :eusa_drool:

 
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 17, 2008, 10:05:12 PM
....DONE !!!!!........ :shocked: I thought i never see the end of it.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: badknees on November 17, 2008, 10:52:45 PM
....DONE !!!!!........ :shocked: I thought i never see the end of it.


You're not done until my eyes see the photos :eusa_naughty:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 17, 2008, 11:03:36 PM
BK, Homero is hard at work to share pictures and video but has run into a few technical problems.  Patience, por favor.  He's all over it . . . time is relative, the desert is unchanging.

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on November 20, 2008, 09:49:53 AM
O.K....this is so lame, but i have been very busy here and  swamped with work ( yeah i know, blah blah blah) in order to start my trip report. In the meantime,i want to post my fiend Gilberto Sanchez's pictures to calm everybody's jets?...God, i love this board :icon_lol:, so to speak. :icon_lol: :icon_lol:...while i write my detailed trip report.Folks,again pictures,videos and waypoints...i have it all, and as always i will need your help on this to put up more information, for all to share..ok?.
 

 So?, here is the link to start enjoying some spectacular pictures from Gilberto Sanchez, with his new Panasonic Lumix camera...enjoy.

http://rides.webshots.com/slideshow/568699239iydKtV (http://rides.webshots.com/slideshow/568699239iydKtV)

.........I shall return!!!...onward,thru the fog!

 

 
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 20, 2008, 10:46:47 AM
Homero, it's great to see the mine shots from below El Pico, it's also great to see the Boquillas Bar is still operating.  It's sad to see Joe Falcon's place shut down. 

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: jeffblaylock on November 20, 2008, 01:50:10 PM
Awesome photos. The shots of Boquillas bring back memories of happier times, and, wow, do I want to explore that old mine!
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: bdann on November 20, 2008, 05:15:20 PM
Wow...those take me back, thanks for sharing those Homero.

(http://inlinethumb30.webshots.com/43293/2723061850101731985S600x600Q85.jpg)
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 20, 2008, 08:41:32 PM
Joe Falcon's circa 1983.  There was a 55 gallon drum with a wash tub on it fired up, making manudo, which is the source of the smoke.

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/Jose_Falcons_circa_1983s.jpg)

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 20, 2008, 09:15:22 PM
A fond memento. 

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/Jose_Falcons_T_Shirts.jpg)

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Joe on November 20, 2008, 09:19:30 PM
I'm jealous, Al; that t-shirt is a real collector's item!  :eusa_clap:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 20, 2008, 09:24:13 PM
If only Joe had had a better color consultant!  The art is great though!

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 20, 2008, 10:54:08 PM
Is this thread broken or is it just me?

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/Boquillas_SS.jpg)

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on November 21, 2008, 12:01:55 AM
Nope  :eusa_naughty:...not on my account: Knock yourselfs out with ancdotes,stories to share, souvenirs..what ever. I can always start my trip report tomorrow.

 What my gut feeling was speculating turned out to be right. Boquillas del Carmen, will bring back many fond memories to many in this board. If any of you have more pics and stories to share,go right ahead. You do not bother me, can not cut in me,offend me or take advantage of me. This is your thread and yours to enrich.

 Ma?ana, i will start to share my story. Until then,nighty night... Sleepy's trip report  (http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/your-trip-reports/sleepy-trip-nov-08-t7056.0.html;msg67191;topicseen)kind of put me in the mood to turn in early.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 21, 2008, 12:05:27 AM
Homero, just trying to work the audience for the main act.  The stage is yours . . . break a leg!

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: bdann on November 21, 2008, 08:59:55 AM
I'll share one more, my brothers playing pool in the Park Bar:
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j131/bdann/img102.jpg)
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Undertaker on November 21, 2008, 11:01:06 AM
God I miss Falcon's, and shooting tequila at the bar.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: 01ACRViper on November 21, 2008, 02:00:43 PM
great thread Homero, i really need to get over there. it looks fantastic. i love the mine shots too!
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on November 21, 2008, 11:30:51 PM
Well our trip had been planned weeks before as it should be. We had planned to leave for Sierra del Carmen for Octuber the 24th but by the weild of the hand of God, many mechanical issues started to arise that one by one they were ditching their 4x4 vehicles in the mechanic's shop. I could not belive our bad luck,but it was there..right in front of us, laughing at our faces and we had nothing to do  but to suck it up. Man, let me tell you i was honest to God Frustated just to see my buddies vehicles downed by one thing or another and only my truck was ready to go,locked and loaded.

 In all honesty, i was the only one who knew where we were heading and how tough it was going to be.

 Well, there was nothing left to do, but to hit the sack and think of an alternative,i was very dissapointed that our schedule trip did not happened on the day we were ready to leave, i was not alone feeling this frustation rattle our pride. My other buddies were feeling the same sentiment in their homes and i had to do something.

 At first light, i started calling each and every single one of them to see if they were still eager to go and when could be another window of opoortunity open to tackle our beloved Sierra del Carmen. November 07, would eventually turn out to be our next date we would shoot for  to go out on a backtrail trip. We could let ourselves let down because of this and we aimed for the next date to do this for real.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 21, 2008, 11:40:42 PM
Homero, that truck picture was great.  What a shine!  Obviously at the start of the trip.  What happened?

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on November 21, 2008, 11:48:03 PM
Homero, that truck picture was great.  What a shine!  Obviously at the start of the trip.  What happened?

Al

 Thing is Al, since our beloved administrator is fixing the NEW look on our webpage, and we have downed the "preview" button i was doing a test to see how i was going to post the pics here. Now back to our movie.... :icon_biggrin:

 Friday November 7 came, i could not catch any sleep the prior night and was layed flat on my bed , but with ny eyes open. To many things were going 100 mph in my head, too many issues i was reviewing one and two times to made sure nothing was left back, or left out for this trip. I could not wait for morning to come...i guess i was not alone, for later in the trip everyone was saying they had not slept the night before....we were just to eager to get this going.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on November 22, 2008, 12:01:23 AM
So 12 pm,banged on the wall clock, i had everything i was going to take and much more, given i was takin newbies to the sierra...all except one, who owns a ranch in Sierra del Burro. Conrado.

 I picked up my friend Arturo Anguiano and his son, Arturo Jr. in Nava,Coahuila. The kid, saw me coming to his porch and flew out of his rocking chair, desperatly wanting to put some kilometers in between his home and the road.

 We loaded up, packed everything in and off we went to meet up with the other party in Allende, Coahuila . Just a couple of kilometers down HWY. 57. As soon as we cauhgt up with the intersection to pull over to Allende, there is a U-turn one has to ho in ijn order to turn for the town. Well , we were so eager to get out of the asfalt we NEVER noticed that that tailgate did not close up properly and when we took the U-turn 2 ice chest filled with all the fruits , vegetables,tortillas,cookies, leche and things they had asked me to buy, along with a Butane tank for the fryer went out whipped snapped out the truck....every thing except the meat and oranges.

 Well as soon as i met with the other party at Conrado's house we stopped, saw that the tailgate was open inmediatelly burned rubber to get back to where ever our ice chest had fallen and look ove for our stuff, we found nothing!, all had been ransacked and taken to somebody's home...he! we sure did made some guy's day, didn't we?.

Conrado's house in Allende ...Google Earth waypoint: N28 20.271 W100 50.995
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on November 22, 2008, 12:17:12 AM
During the search for the ice chest, i had lost precious time that i wanted to take advantage and do some scouting in La Cuesta de Malena for some caves i had seen on YouTube and take some pics in the Los Obeliscos, which are Granite columns that arise a beautiful overlook at the center of a ridge in a look out in Malena's mountainside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvuRKyXzerc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvuRKyXzerc)

 Well we came back, decided to go to a store and pick up everything again, might as well move forward then to ponder what had happened back there.

(http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/43790/2558027890103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 My truck was looking like  fresh out of the shop, nice,clean, shiny and with new set of "boots". I had just installed a set of BFG Mudterrain's on it. Boy was it going to be for a change.. :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on November 22, 2008, 12:23:59 AM
There was nothing else to do but  move on, take advantage of what was left and hope that our Sun would still shed some light to enjoy what ever was left to pick.

 Time and distance had shortened some how by me crackling on the dual bander how high we were moving, based upon the GPS readings. It was really unexpected for them, for they had taken that road before but never realized how the altitude change in front of us as we moved towards the Sierra de Santa Rosa Valley and it's mountain side.

(http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/41111/2017680120103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 Young Arturo was enjoying every kilometer of the trip as we moved forward and forward to our goal. Me and Gilberto Sanchez, the semipro photographer, were focused on the registering all the waypoints possible of our trip.

(http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/33413/2595561540103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on November 22, 2008, 12:32:08 AM
I started to see how the sun was setting on the topside of the mountains,slowly descending to let the night step in. I just could not make it to the tempted site and catch some pics.

(http://inlinethumb17.webshots.com/31376/2828944890103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

We reached hte Military Checkpoint over in El Melon, they checked us for weapons,asked us where were we headed and i asked them if there would be any patrols out there to be on the look out, there were and they were there to help out. Thank God for the Military out here.

(http://inlinethumb01.webshots.com/44416/2758996280103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 El Melon's Military Google Earth waypoint: N28 38.891 W102 15.711

 To be continued tomorrow.....


Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 22, 2008, 12:56:52 AM
Homero, thanks! Two questions:  where is the last place to get gas; and, would you recommend at least one person fluent in Spanish?

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: BigBendHiker on November 22, 2008, 05:46:30 AM
Great pictures, Homero!

Noticed some of the pictures had fellows in hard hats with what appears was mining equipment.  Is mining still going on in that area?

Thanks for posting.

BBH
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on November 22, 2008, 07:34:22 AM
Homero, thanks! Two questions:  where is the last place to get gas; and, would you recommend at least one person fluent in Spanish?

Al

 The very absolutely last place to Gas up,would be here: At The Kikapoo Gas Station

N27 53.581 W101 31.827

 which BTW is owned and operated by the Kikapoo Lucky Eagle Casino (http://www.kickapooluckyeaglecasino.com/english/index.php),which hold very close ties to the tribes settlement near Muzquiz,Coahuila. They have special rights which allow them to live in El Nacimiento and the Eagle Pass,Tx. indian reserve with out any legal papers to show or meet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KmYMDhvVcQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KmYMDhvVcQ)

Chakoka Aniko,chief of the Kikapoo indian tribes in Muzquiz,Coahuila and in Eagle Pass,tx.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QhdmUC_zJc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QhdmUC_zJc)

Second video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u8UcmWaL-U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u8UcmWaL-U)

Third video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuCrVl518tw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuCrVl518tw)



 And yes,the area is spectacular to explore. Even more so now a days,since there are more drawn dirt roads which take you to beautiful areas to go to and explore,but you will need some one who can move you around and can help out translating IMPORTANT things to english, and viceversa. Let me know in advance and just maybe i could tag along and explore with you guys.
  At the end of the TR,i will post all my waypoints in detailed,as i always do so you all can draw the route in home on Google Earth...just do not get to ahead of the trip report before i share the story, :icon_lol: :icon_lol:.

 Yes BBH,those men in hard hats were in deed miners working in the Puerto Rico mine,but i will get to it, in detail as we move along the TR.

 Will pick up later today....
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Undertaker on November 22, 2008, 08:52:24 AM
Homero, thanks for the photos, seeing Boquillas del Carmen, made me very sad remembering the good times that were had by both Scouts and Hiking friends. Shot a few games of pool at the Park (couple tequilas) and had a few cold cervezas on the porch at Falcon's. I really enjoyed the photos brings back fond memories.  :eusa_dance: :eusa_dance:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: presidio on November 22, 2008, 02:23:57 PM
Gilberto Sanchez's pictures

That's some mighty fine desert.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: presidio on November 22, 2008, 02:31:47 PM
Homero, thanks for the photos, seeing Boquillas del Carmen, made me very sad remembering the good times that were had by both Scouts and Hiking friends.

Yes, but remember, we are SO much safer  :eusa_naughty: now that Boquillas has been strangled by bureaucracy.

What's a little loss of liberty  :willynilly: for so much more in demonstrable  :icon_eek: security? :vomit:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 24, 2008, 10:55:49 PM
As soon as we were let go from the checkpoint we headed for the base of Cuesta de Malena,which by other pictures we have seen on this forum it is completely paved and marked for highway service as of this year (2008).

 Although we crossed it at night,i thought there had to be a way to share this beautiful place where the lush Santa Rosa Valley ends surrounded by the Sierra Madre mountain side on one end and the beggining of Maderas del Carmen,which is not Sierra del Carmen,on the other end. It i striking to see how at this very point the vegetation changes from green pastures filled wiht natural grasslands, then you go over The Cuesta de Malena and transforms to Cedar and conniferus trees , only to change again as soon as you drop down again on the other side to the introduction of the Chihuahuan Desert and it's peculiar flora.

 No pictures from this point, on this date.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 24, 2008, 10:59:29 PM
When we came down and continued down the highway, we came across the sign the is the Entrance doorway to Maderas EL Carmen, the Cemex nature project.This is  very special area to me given all that is going on there, i hope i get an opportunity to go and report from there some day.
 Google Waypoint: N28 43.982 W102 36.932
 Elevation: 1215 meters.

 (For the newbies,you can copy this waypoint on Google Earth and paste it on the "fly to" space,so you can travel there and move along the route with us.)
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 24, 2008, 11:01:18 PM
Homero, no pictures just has to cost ya!  I hope you understand.

Here's a totally off topic picture of some guys I went off road with in eastern Oklahoma at the start of this century.

I decided to walk up the hill  . . . it was tough!

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/Floyd_Hill_ Climb_eastern_OK_c.jpg)

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 24, 2008, 11:04:26 PM
I have a video to match that pic,where my front tires went completely air while i was going uphill (to the mines) and my blood went completely to the floor ...at the same time. But it is too big for Youtube and cannot upload it . But post away, if you have more pics to tag along Al.

..... :eusa_clap: :nailbitting: :eusa_clap:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 24, 2008, 11:11:06 PM
Homero, you are nothing if not a gentleman.  That's his wife holding her head as he nears the top.  I don't know about you but my wife, thank goodness, does not do the off-road thing.  It is probably best . . .

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/Floyd_Climb_3_Eastern_OK_s.jpg)

Al

Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 24, 2008, 11:19:14 PM
Well to our surprise, we hit the crossroad where the paved road completely ends and the dirt roads continues still for at least 206 kms. to Ocampo,Coahuila and on the other side of the intersection it follows it to Chihuahua.
(http://inlinethumb53.webshots.com/23476/2040042700103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 It was pitch dark , from this point and on, from what we were reading on the GPS unit and going out in view to 12 km in projection , we could see that we were near the Chihuahuan state borderline and even nearer to the Rio Grande , 50 kms. to Boquillas del Carmen. 35 to Norias de Boquillas, where we would eventually camp and get ready to spend the night in the plunging night temperatures of the Sierra del Carmen valley and the beggining of the Valley of The Buras (mule deer).

 Google Earth waypoint: N28 46.782 W102 40.956
(http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/20940/2116440120103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)


 Cerro El Milagro waypoint: N28 50.126 W102 43.865

 Milagro Ranch waypoint: N28 55.900 W102 47.269

 Jaboncillos crossroad waypoint: N28 58.078 W102 48.041

 Ejido Janboncillos waypoint: N28 58.119 W102 48.362
(http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/44309/2985264630103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 Porch Puppy,Al?..... :rolling:, best name i have ever read for a Jeep. And NO, my wife says i am all loco and filled with tequila worms on my head, once she sees where i have been. That jeep is more than ready , Al, to tackle some neat places on my next trip..you hear?



Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 24, 2008, 11:33:10 PM
This is the second entrance to Cemex's El Carmen Project.
 Google waypoint: N29 02.198 W102 47.374

We moved on and came across the third and final crossroad for the night, we hit Norias de Boquillas and our resting place for the night.
(http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/40846/2877932260103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Google Earth waypoint: N29 05.031 W102 49.875

Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 24, 2008, 11:52:43 PM
Homero, thank you.  The way points are much better than pictures, except the gang in front of the truck!

I've been flying Google Earth using your way points and must say, in addition to thanks for the coordinates, that Google Earth has really improved the areal photos of the del Carmen's since I last checked.  Incredible detail is now available.  Very nice!

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 25, 2008, 12:01:14 AM
Again accepting your pardon.  Your way points pointed to here.

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/El_Pico_Google_Earth.jpg)

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 25, 2008, 12:11:38 AM
I agree!!...which waypoint in particular, Al?

 So we got in to Norias de Boquillas, and it still was early so to speak. 8:30 pm and went out looking for Aurelio U?ate's house. He is the keeper of the Satellite Phone in the village and the main guide to head up for the El Jardin natural preserve, up on teh SDC Basin.

GE waypoint: N29 05.660 W102 49.979
Elevation: 827 meters above sea level.

 We met his son Aurelio U?ate Jr.,he welcomed us to his father's store and house. Since Aurelio Sr. went to Muzquiz for supplies nobody was there to greet us. I tried to call him weeks before, but to my surprise the satellite phone was dead, since it was broken and the the Sat Technicians did not come to fix it  until 2 weeks prior to my visit. To call from the U.S you have to dial 011-(52)-(555)-151-2923 and remember you have to talk and say what you want , then hush so the other end can answer or the link will block itself until you do it the proper way..kind of like a Ham radio phone. More or less.
(http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/42255/2660879430103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
(http://inlinethumb12.webshots.com/11/2000427660103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 My buddy Cervando downing a very very cold brew, in plunged temperatures. We were at 3?C for that night....Brrr!!!...(Just what the doctor ordered for our little Musey).
(http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/40927/2172961130103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)






Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 25, 2008, 12:26:47 AM
Conrado was out for the count,given he did not sleep since the day before...just too many adrenaline for a day. He went completely out on the kitchen area, and it was cozy and warm, almost all of us set their beds in the kitchen area of the house, which is totally separated from the house and store building.
(http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/42075/2265574470103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 That is ME making some Huevos with diced tomatoes,potatoes,onions and peppers along some Frijoles and bacon strips....you know, something light for dinner, the usual...i have to point out, we neeever had any reflux and heartburn that night :eusa_liar:. Check out Conrado , again on the bottom left side.
(http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/43638/2753671030103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 The end of our first leg,came with a totally bummed out crowd, me included. Just too many rush moments to digest and many pics,even at night, to manage.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 25, 2008, 12:42:24 AM
What may not be illustrated by Homero's pictures is how remote La Norias is; particularly since Boquillas is no longer a crossing. The Sat phone and the plywood mounting took a tremendous amount of effort.  Big Bend, Study Butte, or Terlingua is not remote at all in comparison.

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: mediopelo on November 25, 2008, 03:22:38 AM
Homero, are you familiar with Sierra Mojada, Coahuila? I have never been there but from what I have heard it is pretty much the ultimate in geographic isolation. I was once talking with someone who described some sort of conduit or conveyor belt that transported ore or coal from that general area of the state a very long distance--many miles--to where it was processed or used in the M?squiz area. I had never heard of this anywhere else and was never sure that he was not pulling my leg.   
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: chisos_muse on November 25, 2008, 08:03:23 AM
Indeed....if Musey was there, I'd be snuggling just like Conrado!  :high5:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: billholston on November 25, 2008, 10:44:57 AM
About 10 to 12 years ago, three buddies and I drove to the park, took the boats across the River, and Hired Saul Falcon to drive us up to Puerto Rico. When we got there, we realized how far it would be to hike back, so we tried to negotiate a return trip. We didn't have enough money, so we figured, well we gotta walk. We camped there at those old adobe buildings, then tried to climb el pico. We didn't find a trail, and chose poorly, running out of trail we gave up about 2/3 of the way up, but had splendid views. We then hiked back to Boquillas. There are old roads headed roughly that direction, and found an old buro trail down the last hills into the flats above town. It was a trip of a lifetime. The whole time I felt like I was really seeing something most people had not seen.

Thanks Homero!
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 25, 2008, 10:53:21 AM
I'm aware of two trails to El Pico.  One is from the old mine and starts along the road that is east of the mine and heads north.  When the road ends the trail in not clear and it is easy to understand how it could be missed.  The other trail pretty much goes straight up from the old candelia factory located north of the mine.  I've come down each of them but never had the least desire to go up them.  Hell of an elevation change.  It's been about 15 years and we had a guide who was worth every penny.

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 25, 2008, 01:55:31 PM
Homero, are you familiar with Sierra Mojada, Coahuila? I have never been there but from what I have heard it is pretty much the ultimate in geographic isolation. I was once talking with someone who described some sort of conduit or conveyor belt that transported ore or coal from that general area of the state a very long distance--many miles--to where it was processed or used in the M?squiz area. I had never heard of this anywhere else and was never sure that he was not pulling my leg.   

 Yes , i am familiar with the area,only by name. I have not been there yet. However from what i am reading you definetly have to mean the Hercules Iron Ore mine site,in Hercules chihuahua,right smack in the middle of the desert,where they transport ore thru what they call the Ferroduct all the way down to Monclova,Coahuila where they smelt it in to steel and many varieties along that line,but nothing that i have ever heard going to Muzquiz before or since.It has to be that one, because i believe we are talking an average of 250 kms wort of Pipe lined with rubber filled with water where it pumps the ore that way and there are several repumping stations along the way , to help push it down to AHMSA Steel,that is the name of the big steel mill there.

 BTW MedioPelo, i have noticed that you mention, frequently alot of issues that have occured this side of the river an you know many history facts that i am not aware of,maybe you care to share what you know of this area?.

What may not be illustrated by Homero's pictures is how remote La Norias is; particularly since Boquillas is no longer a crossing. The Sat phone and the plywood mounting took a tremendous amount of effort.  Big Bend, Study Butte, or Terlingua is not remote at all in comparison.

Al

 Yes ladies & gentlemen, Las Norias as Al states is definetly that far out of the way. To have  those satellite phones is a blessing if any. You run out of those phones and now, you are completely isolated from the world.

 When i tried to contact Aurelio Sr. 2 months a go to discuss my plans with him, and i could not get thru,i called the phone company for assitance they told me that they had no type of service what so ever: Boquillas,Las Norias,Jaboncillos were not even on their maps and hence they must have had some sort of communications different from theirs, or it would have appeared on their grid some how.

 When i went there, i found out why. It is not Telmex who is bringing the phone service to all those communities out yonder, it is the the Gvt. thru their rural assitance programs that is doing all the leg work for them.
(http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/5615/2054182540103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 It is Telegrafo Nacionales Rural Sat phone program hard at work there.

About 10 to 12 years ago, three buddies and I drove to the park, took the boats across the River, and Hired Saul Falcon to drive us up to Puerto Rico. When we got there, we realized how far it would be to hike back, so we tried to negotiate a return trip. We didn't have enough money, so we figured, well we gotta walk. We camped there at those old adobe buildings, then tried to climb el pico. We didn't find a trail, and chose poorly, running out of trail we gave up about 2/3 of the way up, but had splendid views. We then hiked back to Boquillas. There are old roads headed roughly that direction, and found an old buro trail down the last hills into the flats above town. It was a trip of a lifetime. The whole time I felt like I was really seeing something most people had not seen.

Thanks Homero!

 Your welcome, i ma not going to say anything about this, until i get to this day and start writting about it as i go along on my TR...you are just going to have to wait, un poquito mas... :icon_lol:

I'm aware of two trails to El Pico.  One is from the old mine and starts along the road that is east of the mine and heads north.  When the road ends the trail in not clear and it is easy to understand how it could be missed.  The other trail pretty much goes straight up from the old candelia factory located north of the mine.  I've come down each of them but never had the least desire to go up them.  Hell of an elevation change.  It's been about 15 years and we had a guide who was worth every penny.

Al

 Yes Al,please go and take those pictures out of your drawer that you have promised so many times you were going to post them...and just do it!!!.

 I have asked you,God knows how many times to post them and you always say to me that you are so busy and you can not find time to do this....and, yap yap yap. Just go and share those pictures on top of el Pico and tell us how you went up there. You can see it is taking me time to do this, yet i am here sharing my experiences. Sooo, we need to see them pics of yours as well..you hear?.

 



Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 25, 2008, 11:25:17 PM
Morning hit us still sleepy. I was tired at 7 am,because of all the stories we heard from Aurelio Jr. about the area.There were many places still yet to be visited,places which interest me with a lot of history involved,some places i have had the opportunity to read books on it, which locals to my surprise do not know. All would come full circle after we had a long night talk around the kitchen area and made plans for the next day.

(http://inlinethumb51.webshots.com/41010/2527831680103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Aurelio told us that the El Jardin canyon was closed due to the hard rains of July and August which nearly sank the whole area coming down from Sierra del Carmen and the surroundings. In this case the canyon, which happens to be the only pass with out having to ask for permission on other ranches .

 He proposed after some deliberation to go and visit the Puerto Rico mine site,i had heard this from Jose "Lacho" Falcon,but it was so long a go that i just never paid attention to what he was saying.Aurelio Jr.picked up on this tiddy bit of inofrmation and inmediatelly offered himself to take us to the mine site. We took that opportunity in a snap , made all the arrangements necessary to go and burned rubber , afterwards.

 I went out of the house and took some morning pics of Sierra del Carmen, while we were prepping the truck and Jeep for our journey.
(http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/44134/2067600730103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 A quick trip to the compost out house,for everybody and off to the dirt road.

(http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/11494/2105780690103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 As soon as Gilberto opened that fence gate,i started feeling that rush again when exploring new terrain.
(http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/42596/2547525940103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 Aurelio had mentioned to us that the trip to get there would take us 1 hour,plus another hour for pictures of the base camp mine site another hour, then the trip back home total time spent: 3 hours. Yeah right!,we took 3 hours to get there, snaping pictures like crazy and asking him questions until we got tired of the area, moved on , more interesting places to snap pictures or  desert flora and a pair of jeans.

 Total time for us was 6-7 hours,minimum  :icon_lol:..he never saw that one coming. Aurelio loved it.

 Then we came to the mine site......



 

Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 26, 2008, 09:12:13 PM
You could see how the terrain was changing in this beautiful desert,the ground was becoming even more rugged,less desert plants and animals crept up as we moved along. Somehow we seem like we were starting to walk in to a time warp,where very few folks had ventured out. The roads were not all the traversed. i could see a small hill, then a mound, then a big drop, then a pebble filled road where you could see that a lot of AGUA had flowed before, and i mean a lot.
(http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/40525/2609689650103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 Not a lot of footprints,had moved that way,and even if they did any trace was washed out by the recent flash floods that had downpoured in the area. it is completely isolated from the outside world.

(http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/42902/2310283070103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 Only my tire tracks were left behind...... :icon_eek:

Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 26, 2008, 09:31:52 PM
Then we hit La Boquilla , this very old horse road was the initial dirt road to go to Boquillas del Carmen wayback in the 40's and 50's when it was mostly traveled by horse and mules. It was later in life that the bus started to go in to Boquillas that they improved it, to be replaced in the future to the current dirt road.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BlJXapDFCA&feature=channel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BlJXapDFCA&feature=channel)


 La Boquilla is now totally erased as a road,only folks who go to Boquillas and Las Norias use it,since it is much closer,so to speak, to ride by horse thru this canyon than take the usual way.
(http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/44099/2387154880103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

GE Waypoint:N29 07.994 W102 51.589
Elevation: 749 meters
 Google Maps  (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.133,-102.86&spn=0.02,0.02&t=k)

Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Casa Grande on November 27, 2008, 09:36:40 AM
Homero, mi Amigo!  I just love these reports from the other side!  I cannot wait to do it with you some day (sooner than later)......Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family!
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 27, 2008, 11:22:45 PM
Homero, mi Amigo!  I just love these reports from the other side!  I cannot wait to do it with you some day (sooner than later)......Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family!

 Muchas Gracias a Ti y tu familia tambien: Feliz Dia de dar gracias........a todos!!!

 
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 27, 2008, 11:57:06 PM
It was a trip of a lifetime. The whole time I felt like I was really seeing something most people had not seen.
I just can not say it any better...it really felt as though i was in a very ISOLATED place and i knew not many people had been this far out to the Del Carmen's,at least not that many since it was easier to cross over from the park and do this trip, and even still to go all the way to this place where it is very remote , just even to try  knowing it is just you and nature bonding along. I agree totally with you Bill Holston..

 We came upon an area locals call Los Rebajes de Puerto Rico, or the Puerto Rico Recesses. Here we just had to make a stop and snap our cameras away,to many things to enjoy, the scenary was spectacular...no, it was breath taking and the plants were very rare indeed as well.

 Getting there, one could see how the flats started to change in to small hills, ravines...slowly the land was changing before us.
(http://inlinethumb58.webshots.com/43257/2567072490103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/40845/2781626870103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

and then more hills...not even close to what it was up ahead of us. How could you do this in one hour?,beats me.
(http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/30802/2013221630103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 Even little Arturo was enjoying this one, and for your information it was cold at this late in the day.
(http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/25441/2272144290103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

The lady started to peek....
(http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/41823/2703016080103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

GE Waypoint: N29 09.797 W102 50.461
Elevation: 934 meters
 Google Maps  (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.163,-102.841&spn=0.02,0.02&t=k)






Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 28, 2008, 05:41:37 PM
Some excuses to get out of the truck and start snapping pictures like crazy, here some " local veggies "... :icon_biggrin:

Ol' sittin' bull

(http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/43935/2981909280101731985S600x600Q85.jpg)

An Albino cactus

(http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/44355/2465047510101731985S600x600Q85.jpg)

A family reunion

(http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/43571/2259441470101731985S600x600Q85.jpg)

The three amigos
(http://inlinethumb53.webshots.com/43828/2781340650101731985S600x600Q85.jpg)

 Let us not leave out the gathering in the desert...
(http://inlinethumb59.webshots.com/44666/2179008750101731985S600x600Q85.jpg)


 All from the Rebajes de Puerto Rico area.




Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: WayneR on November 28, 2008, 06:48:24 PM
Outstanding shots of Echinocactus, Coryphantha, Echinocereus and Mammilaria species (aka "veggies") in habitat!  Wonderful trip report Homero!  :eusa_clap:  Keep em coming...
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 28, 2008, 06:57:23 PM
The blood going thru my veins felt like a class A rapid,so to speak,inching thru every rolling hill every upturn, every corner that we were facing Old Sierra del Carmen was revealing her self from an angle that was totally new to me...

(http://inlinethumb03.webshots.com/43266/2857989770103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 El Pico was there,all majestic and imponent. I could remember the only pictures i had seen one time from a post by Al in the dusk of the day on the backside of El pico with his camping buddy, one time. Now i was here infront of him,bowing in respect to the Old Mighty for putting us these beauties on our planet to sherish...what a  moment for me it was.

(http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/44400/2945034010103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Upclose and personal,folks.
(http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/43507/2040175810103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 28, 2008, 07:04:36 PM
Outstanding shots of Echinocactus, Coryphantha, Echinocereus and Mammilaria species (aka "veggies") in habitat!  Wonderful trip report Homero!  :eusa_clap:  Keep em coming...

 Isn't this board something else or what?...to have many experts on so many fields contributing to a thread.....Thank you Wayne,for adding the proper names to these rare and beautiful desert plants.

 Now, very soon i am going to need the photo stitchers for the upcoming pictures...all help is welcome.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 28, 2008, 07:16:21 PM
Then she reveal herself, once and for all..completely...i just stood at awe there. I could not say a word....awestruck!!

(http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/16991/2629243590103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 All the colors,the curves,the formations,she had waited for the very last moment to show herself to me...I enjoyed evry minute there,complete silence..no sound,nobody was talking...just admiring.

 If you folks can pay attention here,you can see the switchback road going up,evry turn zig zagging on us..this is road up to the Puerto Rico Mine,with digital zoom.

(http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/32588/2212781430103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

More to the resting lady

(http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/41041/2803134640103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 And now you can see it a the same distance we were capturing it.
(http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/42961/2295167680103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 This is a good time for the picture stitchers to step in and see if any can make something out of this.




Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 28, 2008, 07:22:12 PM
Some Youtubes to go along...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awylVEtjZ-0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awylVEtjZ-0)

More of the Del Carmen's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13S3nPTXZ8Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13S3nPTXZ8Y)


Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 28, 2008, 08:54:02 PM
Homero, thanks.  You're just getting warmed up we all hope! 

WL2 would be interested in the video with the Terminal shot, if my memory serves.

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Casa Grande on November 28, 2008, 09:31:01 PM
This is the best one yet, Homero!   :high5:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 28, 2008, 10:02:48 PM
Homero suggests, " Yes Al,please go and take those pictures out of your drawer that you have promised so many times you were going to post them...and just do it!!!.

 I have asked you,God knows how many times to post them and you always say to me that you are so busy and you can not find time to do this....and, yap yap yap. Just go and share those pictures on top of el Pico and tell us how you went up there. You can see it is taking me time to do this, yet i am here sharing my experiences. Sooo, we need to see them pics of yours as well..you hear?."

Homero, I have posted many of the best photos I can find so far.  Do you wish I should post certain of them here too to augment the excellent perspective you have already provided?  I may be able to come up with a few more but it will take some time.  Please let me know your pleasure.

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 28, 2008, 11:30:57 PM
Homero,   Please let me know your pleasure.

Al

 YES !!!!!
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 29, 2008, 01:55:30 AM
When coming down from el Pico to the mine there is a flat plateau which has a view which makes the hike more than worthwhile.  Homero, looking back at you. 

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/Del_Carmen_Ledge_SW_cs.jpg)

Al

Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 29, 2008, 02:00:50 AM
Looking pretty much north northwest.

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/img053_OP_ACDSee.jpg)

Al

P.S. Picture taken by Pete with our guide in the foreground.

Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 29, 2008, 02:09:01 AM
Looking back at ya.

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/Del_Carmen_Looking_back_at_chu.jpg)

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 29, 2008, 10:54:45 AM
My fav . . .

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/img044_op_ACDSee_s.jpg)

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on November 29, 2008, 11:43:51 AM
Man, i tell you Al: You are like icing on a cake..... :eusa_clap:

Was that the last time you went up there?....December/30/1992?
 Who was your guide?, maybe i stumble across him this past trip and can give you a heads up on where and how he is. Just curious.... :icon_wink:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 29, 2008, 01:13:45 PM
Homero, the last time was 1994. In 1995 the park was shut down during December so we couldn't go.  Rawls was our primary guide.  He is an American.  I understand he is now married and living in New Mexico. Back then he split his year between working as a fire fighter in Alaska and Boquillas.  Zack drove us up there.  I hear he still hangs in Boquillas on occasion. Both were very well known in the area and perhaps better known as river guides. Rawls was actually featured in a PBS special on hiking Big Bend a few years later. Bosch (sp), came along a couple of times.  His family lived or lives on the road between Boquillas and La Norias.

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 29, 2008, 02:43:49 PM
We said we would take as long as we needed to explore every inch of the mine operations and so we did.

 We could see up ahead the mine site and to our surprise we saw the road going up the trail.I had convinced myself that we were going to walk up all the way to the mine shaft.

(http://inlinethumb53.webshots.com/13364/2115134530103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)


 We visited the pulley area where the tramway turned 180? to head up to the mine entrance along the cable,checked the furnace out and the house-office installations. There were many remnants of mining operations from the past.

(http://inlinethumb57.webshots.com/42488/2989110820103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Here we wre getting ready to move up ahead on the road,the Chisos Mountains on the background.

(http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/41521/2532091960103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

One more group shot before tackling the extreme 4x4 trail.

(http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/29919/2991995580103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)


Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 30, 2008, 12:17:12 AM
All my buddies were there standing in the ruins and trying to figure out what was next on the day-timer. I saw what was the topside of a ruin and just started to walk towards it,it was a good idea i had my canvass gloves on,because there was so many thorns and cats claw along the way i am not sure i would have made it with out them. These newbies,it was the second laugh they had on me because i brought my gloves and did not realize what they were facing on the trail.

(http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/15967/2349479280103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 The anchor pulley was there well built and still standing. It was a very good job when they poured the cement on that spot,for it is still holding very well.

(http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/42941/2010559090103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/43003/2093115820103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

A closer look
(http://inlinethumb19.webshots.com/41362/2897147240103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Another great pic of the whole Rebajes area with Terminal Mountain on the background.
(http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/41888/2987923700103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)




Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Casa Grande on November 30, 2008, 08:33:24 AM
these pics are great, HOmero!
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: chisos_muse on November 30, 2008, 09:34:35 AM
Keep em comin!  :eusa_dance:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: WL2 on November 30, 2008, 10:20:23 AM
Homero, Al is right the terminal fascinates me.  Also you want pictures, I want coordinates.  This is a great thread. :icon_smile:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 30, 2008, 10:57:14 AM
Before i move on.....Puerto Rico Base Camp coordinates.

GE waypoint: N29 10.588 W102 49.484
Elevation: 996 meters
 Google Maps  (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.1765,-102.825&spn=0.02,0.02&t=k)

 Hey!!!....muchas gracias to all of you, this stuff is  for you of course. I just did the gathering,you people are disecting everything,which makes me happy to see it was all worth while.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Lorax on November 30, 2008, 01:21:35 PM
The pictures are great.  Makes me more eager to return to Big Bend. 
Thanks,
Ted
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 30, 2008, 04:40:08 PM
(http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/41559/2390133300103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Some samples left on the ground
(http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/10579/2289038230103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)


The proportion of the pulley anchor was very well built...
(http://inlinethumb08.webshots.com/43527/2905886640103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

I was wondering what mineral this was,i could not get a feel to identify it but the answers awaited us on top,at the very entrance of the mine. None of them was expecting we would do they trip to the top,they were joking that it was crazy to go up there,they had no idea of how the miners did the treck or how they recollected the ore on top and sent it down the wire rope.All those questions,i was just letting them speak their minds for a good long while... :icon_twisted: :icon_twisted:...hehehehehe!!!!
(http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/43368/2531920810103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 The furnace,those walls were so thick,they had to be in order to widstand those smelting temperatures to separate the ore from the rock,then it hit me ..that lump i had a while back it was burned rock!
(http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/16447/2625545100103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

A more complete shot....
(http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/40281/2395656270103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

One of many doorways..
(http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/30664/2889624760103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

From the inside of the furnace...
(http://inlinethumb61.webshots.com/44540/2817548090103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Another angle..
(http://inlinethumb58.webshots.com/11641/2239553850103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)







Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 30, 2008, 05:34:56 PM
A video on photobucket......
http://s65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/homerboy2u/Sierra del Carmen Mina Puerto Rico/?action=view&current=VideoSDC-MineraldelPuertoRicoNov200.flv (http://s65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/homerboy2u/Sierra del Carmen Mina Puerto Rico/?action=view&current=VideoSDC-MineraldelPuertoRicoNov200.flv)

Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 30, 2008, 05:53:08 PM
Enough said, i jumped in after they wanted to celebrate reaching base camp and wanted to take the fryer of the truck bed and eat...i said wait a minute!!, we have the mine to tackle, we are here.What are our chances of returning again?,think of it...extremely remote and isolated,almost nobody comes here at all, we better discover for ourselves every inch of the area, before we call it a day. And so we did, our adventurous spirits were in compliance,we had agreed that we could have lunch later on,we brought some bread loafs,ham,mayo & mustard,we could  make something  along the way and not start a fire ring and make some steaks, which we were prepared to do in case the majority ordered...we pushed up,instead.
(http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/42666/2608334680103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

It was a good idea,we had a good part of the day ahead of us. It was 2:pm in that place.
(http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/39839/2288515880103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 One look back at Terminal Mountain and we moved up,still i had not engaged the 4x4 lock, until a bit farther up ahead when i just could not get any higher with the backwheels turning..
(http://inlinethumb18.webshots.com/42897/2600975340103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

One last shot at the pulley and off we went..


(http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/29105/2130711210103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
(http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/43414/2908286760103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
The cable wire rope was still up,after so many years...it was amazing to me to see this.But maybe some other operations might have been going on since and probably the rope was not that old at all.All possibilities were up for pondering.We were discovering many things there.
(http://inlinethumb35.webshots.com/42210/2552511300103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 30, 2008, 06:01:35 PM
Beautiful ports and canyons were appearing,pictures pictures and more pictures as we inched along the inclined dirt road.

(http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/31902/2584477100103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

The road was suddenly cut up, along the edge and you could see how it was a free fall at times.

(http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/7652/2513944820103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 A shot back where we were and how far up we were climbing...it was very incline the way up those switchbacks.

(http://inlinethumb35.webshots.com/8994/2330093970103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 After i had switched the transfer case to 4low i was still spining the front tires avery once in a while. This only meant i was very inclined.Conrado crackled on the radio that we were travelling on some spot over 35?,registered on his inclinometer on the jeep.

(http://inlinethumb42.webshots.com/43241/2176114930103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)






Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 30, 2008, 06:21:04 PM
It was tough way up, maybe some of the toughest i have experimented so far,but to all of you who have done this one time or another. The adrenaline flowing thru us was so excited, i now know why this is so addictive...what a rush to be there.

 We arrived at the mine campsite and base of mining opertations,there was a crew of 4-6 guy there who were still mining the place for Zinc and Lead, they spend there time there for up to 30 days, then come down usually to Muzquiz where the majority lives, maybe one or two weeks back home, then up again one more time.

(http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/36693/2424675290103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

A look back...
(http://inlinethumb56.webshots.com/24951/2875277790103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Check out the drive pulley system it is still in pristine shape as it was once built before,it no longer operating as of current days.
(http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/23253/2797888020103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 An imgae caught on their way over to the mouth of the mine..
(http://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/42712/2695497410103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Not a very good shot of me..... :icon_lol:
(http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/20647/2430695700103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

The available space to manuever with the truck was very very limited, as you can see.it took a lot of effort and help from my friends in order to change the direction of the truck, when heading down. but for the moment, i was not worrying on that there was a lot to explorer on the site.
(http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/18667/2758139960103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
(http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/41491/2344328140103347488S500x500Q85.jpg)

 A good shot of my buddies admiring the inmense valley infront of us, when i told them the view in the very background was Big Bend and that is was in the U.S. side, that kind of sank in that they were sooo far away from home. I understood that feeling,same thing happened to me the first time i was in the area. It is totally strange to feel taht way, moving inside of the state,seeing these beautifuls sights along the road, then to stumble with the  Rio Grande,only to see that now your are facing another country. Thanks to the GPS i managed to explain that in a little simpler terms...so they could munch on it as they were left to themselves and their thoughts.
(http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/43141/2021942300103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)










Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 30, 2008, 06:34:02 PM
The narrow trail to go up there was very long ,it also had to switch back and forth in order to help on the alttitude gain..
(http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/43830/2195203000103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

How quickly one was on the base of the camp, then another minute you were this high up...only on that beautiful area do you get to see that. The Transpecos Mega-Corridor.

(http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/40264/2546085840103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
(http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/16827/2352037990103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

I could see some very old anchors there,maybe for the lifting system once in operation there.
(http://inlinethumb03.webshots.com/44290/2069091100103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Then i saw the drive pulleys,all ancient from current mining technology, if you ask me.But this used way back in the start of the  1900's
(http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/44033/2028478730103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

The system, all invaded by local branches and wilderness..
(http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/42614/2438095560103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Some carvings from other miners in the past,at least it gives us an idea of how long this mine has been weorking on and off.This is a very small scale operations from what i saw, nothing big time tu lure more modern equipment or more personnel.but they miners told me that they had more claims up in the El Jardin Area where they even had a mineral washing plant over in Eagle Pass,Tx. to import it and set it up there...mabe another excuse to return on a future date,maybe even get to meet the mine owner...who knows.
(http://inlinethumb27.webshots.com/18522/2862790490103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
(http://inlinethumb25.webshots.com/30936/2021349830103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Another YouTube video to go along....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAJbqBvBGFE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAJbqBvBGFE)







Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 30, 2008, 06:38:09 PM
Entering the mine...Hugo chickened out as soon as the sunlight stop shining inside. Made a 180? on us and turned back.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyctmtD6NqE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyctmtD6NqE)

One more,while i return...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRuTuJLYsS0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRuTuJLYsS0)


Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: mule ears on November 30, 2008, 07:01:28 PM
Homero this is absolutely amazing, what detail, even videos. Amazing views out over the desert.

Al, those pictures from the 90's are amazing too.

Thanks to both of you!
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: bdann on November 30, 2008, 07:14:33 PM
This is awesome Homero! Thanks so much for putting all this together, your best trip so far, just amazing stuff. 
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: bdann on November 30, 2008, 07:19:31 PM
Bosch (sp), came along a couple of times.  His family lived or lives on the road between Boquillas and La Norias.
Al

Al, I met Bosch back in 2000.  He offered to take us up to El Pico at the time, but we declined as we didn't have time.  We had planned on going back and taking him up on the offer, but obviously that never happened.  He was a nice guy, we hung out with him at the Buzzard's Roost and drank copious amounts of beer for two frigid nights. 
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 30, 2008, 07:43:19 PM
bdann, cool.  He certainly is qualified to guide the del Carmen's. Bosch could walk me into the ground without even breaking a sweat. Unfortunately, as Homero has been demonstrating, it's an adventure in itself just to get there these days.  I'd guess you'd need a 8-day trip to get there and back including 4 days to do the hike in the del Carmen's.  I would definitely recommend a guide like Bosch.  Plus unless you just went up and down from El Pico you would need someone to shuttle you back to your vehicle(s).

Mule Ears, thanks.

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 30, 2008, 08:47:34 PM
Here's shot taken by El Pico on the south side looking down.

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/El_Pico_Looking_Down_s.jpg)

Daunting to say the least. It's darned close to straight down. I think it is referred to as a burro trail. I know there are those who have gone up it many times, but I can't imagine being among them. Total elevation change to Boquillas is on the order of 5,000 ft. The first time we hiked down, Rawls planned on us hiking to the bottom of Terminal. We didn't make it because of me. After making down to bottom of the cliffs to the plain above Terminal, my knees were so sore and I was so exhausted I had to eliminate every thing in my gut and bowels. I was ready to call it a day. Pushed on, we almost made it to Terminal but the sun went down and when Rawls signaled to our ride back to Boquillas (~ another 5 miles) he took it to mean we're OK and drove off. Rawls proceed to hike to Boquillas, drink some beer, borrow Joe Falcon's truck to drive back,climb back up Terminal, hike back to where we had to drop my pack, etc., etc. etc. The second time we hiked the top of the del Carmen's we came down to the mine to be picked up. A much easier hike, but by no means easy, where we spent two days coming down, the first day (coming down - the 3rd day of the hike) onto a little plateau part way down where I took that sundown picture. Anyway it's a hike that is not to be underestimated unless you are in really good hiking shape.

Al

PS  I think this posts sets a record on the number of &nbsp's.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 30, 2008, 09:25:43 PM
bdann, cool.  He certainly is qualified to guide the del Carmen's. Bosch could walk me into the ground without even breaking a sweat. Unfortunately, as Homero has been demonstrating, it's an adventure in itself just to get there these days.  I'd guess you'd need a 8-day trip to get there and back including 4 days to do the hike in the del Carmen's.  I would definitely recommend a guide like Bosch.  Plus unless you just went up and down from El Pico you would need someone to shuttle you back to your vehicle(s).

Mule Ears, thanks.

Al

 Let me add a footnote to this comment, if you go back to this spot here: N29 02.198 W102 47.374,please follow it on Google Earth. You will get to the crossroad that takes you up thru El Ca?on del Jardin. this was posted earlier here too. Some pictures from that trip  (http://s65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/homerboy2u/Ruta%20El%20Jardin/),well since the last pouring rains from 2 years a go the Canyon is completely shut,out of all the stretch of rocky road,250 meters of big size boulders that completely block the road in the middle of the way.

 According to locals, you can not go up on vehicles, not even on 4wheeler bikes,the boulders are that big and the only way  right now is with mules thru very narrow passages still left there. There are area preserved ranching operations up there, but mainly to care take of  the Natural area from scavengers and all. I was aiming to go up that way to show them the whole Boquillas Valley and Boquillas Canyon but the Ejidatarios tell me they have to dinamite the passage way first to clean the canyon and at the same time they do not want to do that because this means they have to disturb the area by blasting it away, so until this gets resolve ,i assume everything will be left as it is. No need to do this, since no tourists are coming at all,they are learning to get by with out the tourist dollars. The motivation to do this, has dissapeared. it is sad to tell this, but it is the truth.

  More of this i will post when we hit Boquillas on our last leg of the day.
(http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/gallery/84_30_11_08_10_21_16.jpg)

 This is the alternate longer not so hard way to get to the top of Sierra del Carmen,but you are bound for one hell of a long walk to get to El Pico , once on top. It is at least  4 day hike from where the road ends, but at least not as steep as Al's pictures shows.

Al, i wish there were some waypoints of your trip to go along with your AMAZING pictures,my friend.





Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 30, 2008, 10:38:20 PM
Homero. those do appear to be the coordinates of the turnoff. So it may well be hard to access now although there appears to be more than one way up looking Google Earth.  I think we camped in the glade at 29 07" 11"N 102 44' 32"W then it was a short hike to the top and about 8 miles to El Pico.  We hiked two different routes.  There is no trail.  First year near the edge and the second year a bit further in, involves less up and down but we only hiked 1/2 way before camping overnight and then hiked to behind El Pico the second day:  29 12' 38"N 102 48 24"W which is the glade behind el Pico. 

Where were you when recorded standing near the edge?

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 30, 2008, 10:39:01 PM
Now regarding the English speaking guides: Rawls and Bosch, must have been fantastic to have them on side,they being very well experienced on the terrain and probably many hikes up to the top of the Del Carmen's,probably i would add some guides from Boquillas as well,but not now a days.

 Anyhow, should you want to try this once again,my best advise would be to hit the Puerto Rico mine site, talk to the miners,they have all the time in the world and they were willing to take us to the top,should we were brave enough to do this and take us up there for some monetary gratitudes that would have to be dealt.

 They know all the terrain there like their back of their hands but let me say upfront that it WILL NOT BE AN EASY HIKE at all, and for those of you who want to bag a real character breaking hike in the Big Bend-El Carmen area, this is it :nailbitting:. You make the call,but i will be honest in saying you can keep me out of your list of invitations :eusa_naughty:,for i will watch this one from the seat of my monitor with Muse's big batch of popcorn as well.... :eusa_hand:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 30, 2008, 11:04:45 PM
The beauty of starting the hike from the south end of the Del Carmen's is you were already pretty much at elevation and you get to hike the length of the Del Carmen.  The hike along the top has plenty of ups and downs but they pretty much average out. 

I agree Homero.  If you can't get up from the south end then the mine IS the place to start.  I would make at least a three day trip out of it.  Day 1: hike up to the little plateau, enjoy the incredible views and spend the night.  Day 2: hike up to the glade behind El Pico.  Day three would be to hike back to the mine or make it 4 days and camp at the plateau at the end of day 3.  There would be price in water weight to stay a 4th day, unless the guide knows the location of the Tinaja south and east of El Pico where water can be replenished which to the best of my knowledge is the only reliable water to be had on top.

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 30, 2008, 11:12:37 PM
  29 12' 38"N 102 48 24"W which is the glade behind el Pico. 
Al

 Al, your waypoint is spot on the mentioned area,the trip i did is marked with a black line for all practical purposes.

(http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/gallery/84_01_12_08_12_02_46.jpg)
Where were you when recorded standing near the edge?
Al
My coordinates should be this one:  29 7'2.50"N 10247'17.80"W

(http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/gallery/84_01_12_08_12_11_11.jpg)

 I hope you are enjoying this too WL2, you are the boards foremost GPS Guru, bar none.

 
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on November 30, 2008, 11:20:51 PM
Some real pictures to go along,friends.

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/homerboy2u/Ruta%20El%20Jardin/El_Jardin_0071.jpg)

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/homerboy2u/Ruta%20El%20Jardin/9.jpg)

and a video to go along as well:

http://s65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/homerboy2u/Ruta%20El%20Jardin/?action=view&current=f6d70c2d.flv (http://s65.photobucket.com/albums/h228/homerboy2u/Ruta%20El%20Jardin/?action=view&current=f6d70c2d.flv)

Regards Casa Grande,this is also for you too. :eusa_clap:

More later people.....
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on November 30, 2008, 11:27:08 PM
You can see this cliff from one of Homero's earlier shots:

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/Del_Carmen_Cliff_OP_s.jpg)

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on December 01, 2008, 12:06:17 AM
" 29 12' 38"N 102 48 24"W which is the glade behind el Pico.
Al"

Homero said, " Al, your waypoint is spot on the mentioned area,the trip i did is marked with a black line for all practical purposes."

Just a few months ago I was unable to spot these way points.  Google has really increased the resolution of its areal photos of the Del Carmen.  Thanks Homero.

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: mediopelo on December 01, 2008, 01:35:13 AM
 BTW MedioPelo, i have noticed that you mention, frequently alot of issues that have occured this side of the river an you know many history facts that i am not aware of,maybe you care to share what you know of this area?.

Hi, Homero, with the info you gave me I was able to find quite a bit on the Internet about the "ferroducto" that conveys pulverized iron ore from Mina H?rcules to Monclova. 300 kilometers and over a mountain range, quite a feat of engineering in such a desolate area.

The satellite phones in the ejidos were just being installed when I was still around the Big Bend and I was told they were all frequently out of service for one reason or another. I always wondered why the state of Coahuila did not provide community two-way radios to isolated settlements the way they did just over the line in Chihuahua.

While I was living in the Big Bend area I read as  much as I could about it and picked up as much knowledge from the people I encountered as possible and I just wish now I had recorded it systematically rather than mainly trusting my memory. I will gladly answer any questions you have as fully as I can.

Those are really some fantastic photos of your trip to the Puerto Rico mine. I was never there, and my furthest trip into the back country opposite the park was in about 1988 when I had Roberto Falc?n "La Pera" from Boquillas guide me on horseback from Las Norias up into the Maderas del Carmen Mountains. We spent one night near the base at a spring and another up on top among the pines. I wish I could tell exactly what our route was but I don't really know other than we reached the very top and I believe we passed by the turnoff to El Jard?n and overlooked Ca??n de la Media Luna. It didn't faze Roberto or the other Mexican guide at all but it was a rugged experience for me, but I really enjoyed it. Digital cameras had not been invented then, of course, or I would have better pictures to remember it by than the grainy 35mm ones I took.

Keep the pictures coming, they are without a doubt some of the best that have ever been posted on this website.



 
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on December 01, 2008, 11:32:41 AM


The satellite phones in the ejidos were just being installed when I was still around the Big Bend and I was told they were all frequently out of service for one reason or another. I always wondered why the state of Coahuila did not provide community two-way radios to isolated settlements the way they did just over the line in Chihuahua.

 Yes,if you ask me why they never installed those 2way radios before, i would have to say political issues. Now a days,when you call them,as far as Jose "Lacho" Falcon who lives in Boquillas del Carmen and works in the Pilares reserve with Cemex, Aurelio U?ate the phone and store keeper in Las Norias de Boquillas and Julian Atayde the phone keeper in Jaboncillos Grande,all of them say the best time call them is in the middle of tha day when the sun is at the highest point and the solar panels are at their peak of generating electricity, they have back up batteries but somehow, they have gone dead on them and make the best of it during the day.All of them turn off the phone at night. When it is absolutely necessary or an emergency comes up, then they use the batteries on their pick-ups,hook them direct and call.


Those are really some fantastic photos of your trip to the Puerto Rico mine. I was never there, and my furthest trip into the back country opposite the park was in about 1988 when I had Roberto Falc?n "La Pera" from Boquillas guide me on horseback from Las Norias up into the Maderas del Carmen Mountains. We spent one night near the base at a spring and another up on top among the pines. I wish I could tell exactly what our route was but I don't really know other than we reached the very top and I believe we passed by the turnoff to El Jard?n and overlooked Ca??n de la Media Luna. It didn't faze Roberto or the other Mexican guide at all but it was a rugged experience for me, but I really enjoyed it. Digital cameras had not been invented then, of course, or I would have better pictures to remember it by than the grainy 35mm ones I took.

 

The only one member , other than you who ha mentioned one time or the other that has gone up to Maders del Carmen,which folks is NOT Sierra del Carmen,is Alpine Joe..now San Antonio Joe. He definetly has some insights as well,but unlike you he has no pictures. Do you care to scan them and post them for us?.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on December 01, 2008, 12:22:50 PM
Now, let's go and explore the inside of the mine when i comeback here...............
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Lorax on December 01, 2008, 05:57:32 PM
Thanks for the pics and videos.  I'll never get there but I sure have a sense of the Mexican side of the river.  Truly rugged beauty.

Ted
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on December 02, 2008, 11:35:04 AM
Here's shot taken by El Pico on the south side looking down. 

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/El_Pico_Looking_Down_s.jpg)

Daunting to say the least.Al

 Man, i tell you I keep coming back to check what i have written, so i can pick up my thoughts.Then i see this picture and inmediately my head begins to shake :nailbitting: :nailbitting:...It is just nailbiting to stand there and look at the bottom of that Burro Trail...just incredible. Wish i had met these guys (Rawls & Bosch) , they must be somewhere roaming the world,i do not think they are there anymore...i could always be wrong.

 Great Shot, Allen... :eusa_clap:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on December 02, 2008, 12:49:16 PM
Homero, you have finally inspired me to dig up a few more photos. As shown in the previous picture and verified by this one, the first part of the trail down is really a doosie, but there are portions of the trail, that are more reasonable.

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/Pico_Coming_Down_s.jpg)

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on December 02, 2008, 01:39:27 PM
A bit further down:

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/Pico_Coming_Down_2s.jpg)

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on December 02, 2008, 01:44:32 PM
Here's our campsite in the glen behind El Pico. Randall, if you're reading this please note the camo down filled jumpsuit. Not up to the extreme weather suits you've posted but the warmest outfit Cabelas made at the time. Almost didn't need a sleeping bag.

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/Pico_Camp_1.jpg)

A better shot of the jumpsuit and dos gordo gringos hanging in the glen.

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/Pico_Camp_2.jpg)

The pictures in the next few posts are a bit out of order. The little plateau is about halfway down to the mine.

A couple of heavy weight backpackers coming down from El Pico. You do not want to hike out into the middle nowhere and not have enough stuff! Just schedule more time, walk slower and take more breaks . . . slow and steady wins the race.

 (http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/Heavy_Weight_Backpackers.jpg)

Here's a shot of our camp on the little plateau on the way back to the mine as well as Bosch. Look Mom No tents! We found if we each carried a 12' x 12' tarp we could set them up independently in good weather or together in bad to make one large covered area and we could be comfortable in most any weather:

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/Pico_Bosch_s.jpg)

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on December 02, 2008, 02:18:53 PM
Quote from: Al wrote:
Homero, you have finally inspired me to dig up a few more photos

 I knew,God as my witness while i was up there i was going to motivate you,somehow, to get you to post those incredible pictures of you stashed away in some drawer.I could not stop think while i was up there that some other member of the board had come up once or twice before me. I am glad i was right.

 Bravo Al...i will pick up on the tour of the mine,later today.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on December 03, 2008, 11:38:35 PM
Homero, maybe this shot will take your mind off the hike down.

(http://www.bigbendgallery.com/uploads/files/Del_Carmen_top_Looking_North_s.jpg)

We are turning blue . . .

Al

Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: tjavery on December 04, 2008, 07:32:15 AM
We are turning blue . . .

Aye.... purple now  :icon_eek:

Seriously, great report and photos, Homero. Keep 'em comin'!
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 04, 2008, 06:57:31 PM
(I am sorry for draging this for so long?...i just wanted to ex......Homero: shut up and post? :eusa_think:...i can do that too.)

 Well nearing the entrance of the mine,you see theis wooden structure which is as old as the mine itself. I convinced Gilberto to step on the walkway of the drive pullies to get a better angle of how big this structure was. He was reluctent to do that, but i was persuasive enough to convince him to walk the plank...he did :nailbitting:..... :icon_twisted:

(http://inlinethumb63.webshots.com/42366/2078695120103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

The drive pullies have some remnants of the steam motorized driving force that moved this incredible tramway..

(http://inlinethumb63.webshots.com/6654/2552244100103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

That is the cable (wire rope) going all the way down to the counterweight (turnaround) pulley down below..
(http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/43278/2532798450103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Everything is intact up there, as was left many many years a go.

(http://inlinethumb56.webshots.com/26231/2003214680103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)






Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 04, 2008, 07:23:52 PM
Cervando stayed back, he just did not wanted to see if he could mustard crossing the first bridge, i failed at persuading him to do this because he suffers from vertigo and he was prudent enough to stay put. I think it was brave enough of him just to get to the top of the mine.

(http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/44492/2931226320103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 This just goes to show, that the place is definitely no walk in the park to get there...or to be there.It was gutsy,very risky, but the prize to be on a spot very few people go now a days was just too alluring.

 I caught Hugo watching the miners separate the ore from the rock to glimpse if it was a good dig or not. These guys are expert empirical miners, they have mining on their veins runing for generations.

(http://inlinethumb61.webshots.com/11452/2024713580103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 The mess hall...pretty tough,huh?

(http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/35882/2502296680103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

The sleeping quarters,in the mouth of the cave...even tougher for these hombres, they were made of true grit in my book. I can only guess how cold this place gets in the winter time...

(http://inlinethumb27.webshots.com/44058/2094531340103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)






Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 04, 2008, 07:51:17 PM
Even the kid, was impressed with it...he stood quiet, just observing his surroundings. A very hard environment.I bet he is not complaining anymore about his bed.

(http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/4712/2838729470103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

First thing i saw was these pine logs used to support the roof, evethough it is all complete rocky ceiling, very hard and stable there are places that it gets very loose.

(http://inlinethumb08.webshots.com/43719/2074203510103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Some lead streaks,still emebedded to the wall..

(http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/40705/2524291170103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 Given the time of the day, inside of the mine was very cool and the air was flowing very good. However when i shot a picture, these specks of dust were caught in the air...funny, you don't see them, but you breath them. :eusa_eh:

(http://inlinethumb46.webshots.com/9645/2159483160103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

An airline going all the way to the pneumatic rock drill.

(http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/41191/2941285680103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 Now this you won't believe. This mechanical winch is strapped to a wheelbarrow strapped to a miner at his waist where he hauls 340 kilos worth of ore and rock all the way up, let me tell you this was very hard work to do. The Lead ore has a very heavy molecular weight and with this size of a barrow, that thing really weighed 340 kilos...at least. It is just too hard back breaking work, they come out for a breather totally exhausted.
(http://inlinethumb30.webshots.com/41693/2969747440103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/42173/2605948470103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)









Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 04, 2008, 08:09:34 PM
I followed these men to another site they were extracting more ore, just to get a better idea of  the magnitude of the operation.
(http://inlinethumb11.webshots.com/41482/2035059850103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)


 My conclusion is this:
 Either the price of lead and zinc is very tentalizing  to push this method of extracting the ore from this site, with this precambric working conditions or this is a shuttle project to evaluate if this site is worth the while to really invest and see if it is feaseble to invest hard on the project to get to the goods. The owner of the mine has the claim to the place and they said he had a mineral washing plant in Eagle Pass ,ready to have it imported since he discovered another claim site up near the El Jardin area where they can still move the heavey equipment up and mine some more with out getting in to trouble with the Ejidatarios who protect the area very jealously. This could be the very detonant issue to dinamite the blocked pass in El Ca?on del Jardin and push the minig undustry even further. All falls on  the luck of the draw...


(http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/40317/2026695340103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb01.webshots.com/24192/2006429990103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

A vertical air shaft connecting to other levels of the mine, which i did not see how to gt up there.maybe it was done by previous miners... :eusa_think:

(http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/41621/2657005470103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
(http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/44335/2071333580103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

The inisde shot, just to prove i was there...scary.

(http://inlinethumb57.webshots.com/18616/2712014420103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
Here with Aurelio..our guide. It was also his first time entering the mine. He was excited as we were, what an experience.
(http://inlinethumb29.webshots.com/37788/2707092030103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/41750/2581121830103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)









Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on December 04, 2008, 08:26:34 PM
Homero, I can't believe you've been holding this portion of the trip so long . . .  Excellent tour and inquiry.  So they are mining the ore but not hauling it off for processing?

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 04, 2008, 08:32:06 PM
It was time to doubleback and catch a breather,nice to see sunlight once again..
(http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/34715/2012044270103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 Then Gilberto tells me there is another shaft up ahead,if we followed the narrow dirt trial we could hit it in no time. No time to think, just react, we were there we just could not waist this opportunity to explore more of the mine..up the road we went and in to the second shaft where on the outside was the barrel chute, going all the way down where the dump truck backs in to place and the mineral ore is dropped to the truck bed. It was a long way down.

(http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/41060/2489890340103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb38.webshots.com/39333/2462858510103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/40471/2626897640103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)


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 Veni vidi vici !!!

(http://inlinethumb54.webshots.com/34997/2684197770103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Samples we brought of Lead and Zinc ore..
(http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/40829/2437085640103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

I asked them to pose one last time to record where we were...they were flvargasted, and so was i. What a trip this was....
(http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/13633/2360989980103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 One more shot of the beloved lady, before we headed back to Las Norias...this day was to be remembered , forever!!!
(http://inlinethumb17.webshots.com/41360/2943233840103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 04, 2008, 08:39:23 PM
So they are mining the ore but not hauling it off for processing?

Al

 Yes and No ,Al...they are mining for samples, bags basically to send them over to the labs up in Mexico,Monterrey..some where. These big mining companies determine the overall amount of mineral per tonnage and decide if it is a good project or not to invest heavily.

 Still it has to be haul on a dump truck, down below to separate the rock from the ore, some mining formulas get in the way,while doing this and they are sent off to check all of the streaks in the lab.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: omacatl on December 04, 2008, 08:46:47 PM
nice pics. always wanted to explore the other side of the river.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 04, 2008, 08:53:37 PM
On our way back,we were laughing,joking on many things and basically settling in from all the places and elevations we had been.

 Aurelio stopped us at this place to admire it and he said locals call it La Troza de Elvira,a nice place where i was up there once admiring the view down at the time,it was nice to reflect on this spot.I think we stood there for a good 20 minutes, in silence...maybe we were all thanking God, in our own way for this spectacular opportunity.

(http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/42313/2100521670103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb51.webshots.com/43058/2640418380103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

GE Waypoint: N29 06.775 W102 50.289
 Google Maps  (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.1101,-102.838&spn=0.02,0.02&t=k)


Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 04, 2008, 09:08:36 PM
When we got to Las Norias, we saw that Conrad's jeep was dragging behind us then completely stopped.It was idling but had no power,i dragged it over to the House and they took down the gas tank to check the pump or the fuel line,usually when you get a gasoline vehicle under heavy traffic of dust in the dirt roads, this tends to deposit right on the gas filter...it was not.
(http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/43406/2933643860103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 It was something else,more complicated....the jeep was not powering up and this was dragging for so long we lost the window of opportunity to go and check out how far deep the El jardin passage way was blocked to the way up.
(http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/40473/2203393990103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 After a couple of hours there was nothing else to do but to drag it to Conrado's town and have it fixed.Well thank God for the satellite phones, he called back home,ordered his driver to get the trailer ready and the diesel truck,fueled it up and sent him to the Capilla site to meet, he arrived at 1:am and it was cold to be there,glad i lent him my truck to go and lead him over to Aurelio's house , settled in, had dinner then go to sleep.






Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 04, 2008, 09:14:49 PM
An interesting fact: Besides of having the Sat phone, they townfolks also have theirtalk radios, a great improvement fdrom the last time i was in that area. They say that in Las Norias they use channel 6, in Boquillas i think thy use channel 4 or 8, in Jaboncillos they connect thru channel 5 i believe.

(http://inlinethumb59.webshots.com/38010/2106644050103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 Thing is, they are very well connected and with this little things they communicate with everybody in the valley. They can contact the area keepers up in El Jardin, they can talk in certain hours with folks in Boquillas and Jaboncillos in a direct line of communication with these babies. Life tends not to be that hard anymore. That is good.



Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 04, 2008, 09:20:04 PM
Some late afternoon golden shots from the lady, before calling it a day and sharing the last moment of the adventure towards Boquillas Del Carmen...
(http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/14184/2604944780103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
(http://inlinethumb56.webshots.com/44087/2332928000103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
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Our last leg of the trip, was to be lived on a Sunday morning, it was going to be incredible....more to share on this......




Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Ay Chihuahua! on December 04, 2008, 09:34:01 PM
Hey Homero,

I just got caught up on you trip.  It looks like you guys had a great time.  I've looked up that direction so many times from the north side of the river and thought how much I would love to explore up there.  Great report, great pictures and a great resource.  Thanks, man.

AC
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on December 04, 2008, 09:40:12 PM
Homero, I have so many questions I can't even start to ask.  Hope you have time to tell us more tonight!

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Goldilocks on December 04, 2008, 10:36:50 PM
Beautiful, beautiful pictures, Homero!  Thank you.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 05, 2008, 08:30:11 AM
Thank you everybody,for your comments, it sure was a more than expected trip.Let me say. I will pick up,sometime later......

Homero, I have so many questions I can't even start to ask.
Al

 Fire away,Al.... :eusa_angel:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on December 06, 2008, 01:15:36 AM
Homero, OK. A few very general questions. How do they get the stuff they need like the radios and first of all how do they know about them? Do they have FedEx delivery? Do they have internet? How do they make a living the middle of the desert?

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 07, 2008, 12:45:38 AM
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How do they get the stuff they need like the radios and first of all how do they know about them?
Al

 O.K.,they are very well organized, to my surprise: Aurelio being the town's phone keeper, has a store,very well stocked if i may add. He goes to Muzquiz,once every 15 days and resupplies on everything they need from bathroom tissue to bottled water,down to the basic food groups except meats,since not all of them have a Butane refrigirators,but they have cattle for those needs. In a small sense of a way,that is a luxury or rare to have,when one brings meat , they celebrate. Canned food is an excellent option, as well. Aurelio stocks the other ejidos stores as well and charges them for the trip,something modest so they can continue doing business with him, my guess.

 Now everybody there has relatives in Muzquiz,some of them have homes as well, when they hit the town for a visit to the doctors, a wedding,personal issues to resolve, etc,etc. Aurelio has a house right next to one of his daughters who lives right next to him and picks up any local calls,sat phone bills, you know...any errands he needs to run, while in town.

 All of them have relatives, friends,acquaintances who may live in Piedras Negras,Acu?a or any other border town in Chihuahua and they get all their goods from them. Novelties,new gadgets,latest trends, they are very well informed. They read the newspaper,magazines,books, when ever somebody brings it to town. Newspapers, is like the Holly Grail... :eusa_think:

  Do they have FedEx delivery?
Al

 No they do not. The only next best thing that arrives every Monday is the bus departing from Muzquiz, drops by Las Norias then heads on to Boquillas, it used to stay there for a day and then head back on Tuesday mornings but now a days it arrives in Boquillas on Mondays. Stays there for a couple of hours then heads back to Muzquiz the same day.

 Should you want to send sometthing FedEx or any other courier service, i am afraid you can not do this, still... :icon_frown:

Do they have internet?
Al

 I say they should, but after checking their devices thuroughly i came to the conclusion those are first generation sat-phone systems, they do not have an updated model persay thet could compress the sat signal and probably include internet bandwidth. Not yet.

 I told them i would post their pictures on the internet on a very popular board, and got excited. Some of them told me that some tourists-painters arrived at Las Norias to capture the Sierra del Carmen's on canvass, later they told them they were going to post those prints on the web and would make them famous and all, but those are words that took the wind with it, IMO.

How do they make a living the middle of the desert?
Al

 Several ways from what i saw: Ranching with some heads of cattle they may breed and sell,some very small time agriculture, Las Norias in english stands for the Boquillas wells, and they have a lot of water there, let me tell you. Others,work with Cemex in the Pilares breeding grounds, other work in the El Carmen Project, earn a very decent living. But this is nothing to what i came to terms there.

 This is my honest blunt opinion on this issue:

 I think they lost more than a way of communication in that isolated part of the world, they all have friends in Ruidosa, Terlingua,Ft.Stockton, Stillwell,Alpine, the very park with folks who live there, all the way up to Midland. They have relatives and lots o friends who used to cross back and forth to visit each others, spend some time together, celebrate some event, you know, share life with their neighbors. They do not feel as thought they are their neighbors across the Rio, they see them as intimate friends/relaitives whom their relations got severed after the border closings.

 Folks from  the previous towns used to cross the river in the lowest point possible, with their trucks: San Vicente and went to visit their mexican friends, talk, have a dinner, stay for the night. Almost everybody there have spare rooms for visitors who no longer come, they themselves used to cross to the U.S. towns and visit with their friends and family, spend some good days there and get back  home...all of this way of living is lost and i know it may very well be for ever. They do not want to accept this fact but who am i to shatter their hopes and dreams that one day they can get get back to doing what they have been doing for generations.

 It is just crazy to even ponder on this issue, who are we to abolish this way of living that has been going on for centuries, literally?. These are very difficult, sensitive issues i did not want to adress  , because i felt i could have dissapointed them . From what i have read here on this board. I just could not do this. That way of living is lost for good,given the current status...... :eusa_think:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: badknees on December 07, 2008, 08:02:09 AM
Homero,

Thanks for your insight.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 07, 2008, 12:07:26 PM
Dusk was starting to settle in, Maderas del Carmen. SDC's biggest sister and mountanous cedar and pine cone haven, gave me a good fare well  to that beautiful day.

(http://inlinethumb59.webshots.com/42682/2478387430103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

The whole ridge line was being struck by the last rays of sunlight left for it....to see these amazing Sky Islands,very unique was a show worth many times more our aches and pains from the trip we had just returned.

(http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/44795/2312107700103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 Back at the house there wasn't any need for me to be there,most all of them were trying to help out Conrado, i would not add anyhting there but get in some one's way to do their jobs. I went up to this hill and captures some more oictures of Las Norias.how simple life was here and yet how precious. I did not hear anybody tell me they wanted to leave. They know they are in one corner of paradise.

(http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/43773/2563520210103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 I filled everybody's mattresses,tended to my wounds. Man i was aching all over,took some pain reliefs, had dinner with them ,joked a while, had a blast of a round table with all of them and were celebrating our successful trip over to the mines. Aurelio Jr. had never been up there before and also very happy to have achieved this with us. I was happy for him as well. Things were coming about real well for me, all things were unfolding as planned...so far.
(http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/12547/2263175640103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)


 A great idea for some Basin showers,cheap, easy to set up,very eficient and you can plug a big water deposit to it that you can warm up the life giving fluids and take a warm bath.It was the best in my life..

(http://inlinethumb53.webshots.com/44660/2771941000103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

NExt day we headed over to Boquillas del Carmen and tried to see as much as possible of the towns things and places there were for visit.

(http://inlinethumb58.webshots.com/13689/2438939590103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)





Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 07, 2008, 09:18:44 PM
Our forst stop was at the Ojo Caliente Military check point,all was normal. said hi to the young soldiers there, they checked out our stuff...looking for guns, then they let us go on our way. Nothing to report out of the ordinary.

(http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/33597/2937783740103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
(http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/40862/2694861490103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 The sign I was looking for, signaling the entrance to Boquillas del Carmen.....finally!!!.
(http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/44267/2697858310103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 You could see the entrance to Boquillas Canyon flanked by the Terminal Mountain, which i hope by now we all know the origin of the name and the end of our discovering journey to the Rio Bravo.
(http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/44652/2786064110103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

GE Waypoint: N29 09.814 W102 54.813
 Google Maps  (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.163,-102.912&spn=0.02,0.02&t=k)


 I wanted to show them the Boquillas dunes, some sand dunes that are very unique to the area,which i have not seen in any other place with in the zone. They loved it..
(http://inlinethumb04.webshots.com/19971/2477078020103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 When we entered Boquillas , i was surprised to see so much movement of contractors,18 wheelers,road pavers,materials haulers...this was a Sunday and it was bustling like i had never seen it before. This was good, i thought.
(http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/42630/2445487370103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/42062/2959830810103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 I asked some truck drivers what were they doing in Boquillas and they said they were delivering construction goods to restart the construction of new homes that were ravaged by the recent river floodings that punded Boquillas housing almost to the ground. many were there to rebuild all downed houses, dirt roads, relocate homes that were too low on the river level and i could believe all the people that were tending to these men. I think Boquillas had not been this alive, maybe since te mining days, if any.
(http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/42227/2853564720103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 No drinking is allowed while they are working there, so the Park Bar was empty of licquor and had some cold ones there, which i bought one and a Coke, it was refreshing to say the least.Since it was getting warm for the day.
(http://inlinethumb35.webshots.com/41442/2143715770103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 I bet these pictures begin to bring back memories, to many here...








Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 07, 2008, 09:36:13 PM
The Park Bar...they opened it for us, played some pool there and drank some cold breweds!!!...i will just post them and hope to read all of your thoughts for now.
(http://inlinethumb47.webshots.com/42414/2608510340103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
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(http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/6221/2836771470103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
 Maybe some of you left their sticker there, it is still there. Find yours...
(http://inlinethumb51.webshots.com/41970/2483634670103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 It has a lot of history and have been it's guest there..money well paid for some cold ones after a hike,some tacos or Menudo....what times  i bet.
(http://inlinethumb29.webshots.com/43804/2457230110103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
(http://inlinethumb15.webshots.com/39694/2116472020103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
(http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/17417/2588380560103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

He passed away in 2007.... :icon_cry:
(http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/26813/2011894760103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
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Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on December 07, 2008, 10:08:32 PM
Homero, Wow, that brings back some great memories.  Thank you again for sharing your insights.  It is bitter sweet.  I can't help but ask another question.  How many miles did you drive from your home to get to Boquillas? 

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 09, 2008, 11:21:04 PM
If it is ok with you, i will post this answer at the very last of the TR, when i post all the Waypoints along the way and what ever additional information i may have as well.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on December 09, 2008, 11:28:59 PM
It is more than OK.  Thanks.

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 09, 2008, 11:31:57 PM
After checking the town we decided it was time to go home, we did miss the awsome hot springs in the middle of Ojo Caliente and Boquillas, plus the entrance to the Boquillas Canyon where the Geo site is, but thing is after the last summer floodings from Ojinaga and the Luis Leon Dam...( you all know the story of this), the passage was completely blocked. Townfolks say it was mud up to the chin at some places, easily 4-5 feet in height. We needed heavy equipment machinery to get to those spots.

 It was going to be cleared but there were other priorities to deal first , then the springs and the Geo Site would be dealt. So we left town , after 2 pm. It was good to be there once again.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 09, 2008, 11:47:37 PM
Driving back we crossed the Puente del Burro bridge, where just a couple of kilometers down the road one comes across the De los LLanos Canyon, I saw this place back at Aurelio's house, him sitting on a Mule and they took his picture it was a great picture, but lucky us we went with Aurelio Jr. and he took us at the same spot his father posed for that picture.

Puente del Burro Bridge GE Waypoint: N29 07.501 W102 53.387

De Los LLanos Canyon GE Waypoint: N29 06.145 W102 52.650

 Now let me share some pictures of the place...

From the Las Norias-Boquillas road
(http://inlinethumb58.webshots.com/41145/2136793210103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Half a kilometer from the side of the road, there is this gravel walk way, it stretches for a good half of a kilometer, towards the canyon.

(http://inlinethumb14.webshots.com/42701/2028728360103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Just before entering the place..
(http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/44422/2018207930103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Before entering the canyon one can see the pour off changing colors from light brown to grey in many scales of shades as well.
(http://inlinethumb53.webshots.com/43636/2649551490103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
(http://inlinethumb31.webshots.com/35614/2296284360103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
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There is alot of fine dust sediment from the rains, it sure piled up!
(http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/44680/2821036090103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)












Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: TXdave on December 10, 2008, 01:47:14 AM
Damn, this is such a treat. Sounds cliche, but I feel like I've been given a small glimpse to something that up until now I've only imagined.

Thanks-
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 11, 2008, 09:50:20 PM
Sure TxDave, thank you for tuning in....Now on with our last installment of the trip.

 Just before saying our goodbyes to Aurelio Jr., i wanted to catch the last picture of the area getting the Sierra del Carmen's last view before,starting to head back to reality. It was still beautiful to admire it.
(http://inlinethumb57.webshots.com/42296/2758439710103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 And as i proceeded to go forward, my last shot of Las Norias...
(http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/43145/2934281570103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 What a great time i had there, the memories are there for good and i will return another time to explore it some more,maybe find a way o go up to the El Jardin area once again.

Heading back, i could not help myself look to my side and admire the Maderas del Carmen range, i am not sure if this is El Pico or Loomis peek, i have to find out for myself . Maybe organize another excuse...i mean another trip to this amazing land i call heaven.
(http://inlinethumb07.webshots.com/44294/2286334800103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)



Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 11, 2008, 10:04:59 PM
We just had to stop in the La Capilla place , there truck drivers stop to say their prayers before going up Cuesta de Malena.Believe it or not, that place is very high in elevation and from Octuber all the way down to March...sometimes April too, it gets frozen when ever a cold front moves in. If it is sleeting anywhere else, it will definitly be snowing in this area, hence the prayer site.

 There was this very old sign , that when everything was a dirt road,back in 2000 when i went for the first time, you could see how the road continued on and on until both ends met and became a single line in the desert. Well this sign just so happens to be laying on one side, beneath a small concrete drainage the crosses both sides of the road, there it was laying for us to grab it, capture it on digital and put it back to it's place.

(http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/21145/2936170710103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Muzquiz 190 kms.
San Miguel 31 kms.
Ocampo 206 kms.


(http://inlinethumb53.webshots.com/44532/2027136280103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)


 The guy with the hat was Mr. Lucio Atayde, he was in La Capilla waiting for a ride to Muzquiz to pass by, we took him with us.He turned out to be a treasure chest in information about the area.Man, did i learn so many things from him on the way back to Muzquiz. He  had a brother ,Valente Atayde, who happened to live in Nava, the small town that is very near Piedras Negras. This world is so small?.

GE Waypoint: N28 46.782 W102 40.956
 Google Maps  (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.7794,-102.683&spn=0.02,0.02&t=k)


Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 11, 2008, 10:19:18 PM
Some :photoflash:  of the chapel in the fork....
(http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/41316/2292585380103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
(http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/34107/2045420320103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)


Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 11, 2008, 10:46:44 PM
The highest point in elevation of the trip was at La Cuesta de Malena...1590 meters above sea level, and from the looks in the area it still was not the highest point in the area. There maybe some good information hidden on the internet about the doorway between the Chihuahuhan Desert and the the lush green valley of Santa Rosa de Lima, very clearly you see here how the vegegation changes from desert flora to mid range mountain grasslands and cedars, still no presence of pines. Those are situated at even higher elevations in this area.
(http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/34991/2982343210103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

There were many rockslides along the ever loose road...
(http://inlinethumb20.webshots.com/36307/2297401980103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 All of this?....all of this unchartered territory...for me. We need to resolve this folks.
(http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/43547/2842691580103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
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GE Waypoint :N28 43.008 W102 29.984
 Google Maps  (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.7161,-102.502&spn=0.02,0.02&t=k)

(http://inlinethumb46.webshots.com/16621/2868422050103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)
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Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on December 12, 2008, 07:25:56 PM
You can see how the landscape changes abruptly from desert vegetation: cacti,ocotillo,Prickly pear,you name it. To Cedar at the highest point in Cuesta de Malena on the highway is: 1590 meters, but not the tallest peak i saw there, then changes back at the drop end of the La Cuesta , where Malena is buried there 1000 meters in elevation and the natural grasslands make their presence. Like carpets of green grasslands. it rains alot here and conforms one of the greenest valleys in the state.

(http://inlinethumb26.webshots.com/43225/2710595540103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

Some desert and plains vegetation intermingle, but you bluntly see changes in the type of greens there.

(http://inlinethumb09.webshots.com/43976/2053741490103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

GE Waypoint for Malena's resting place; N28 43.923 W102 29.329

 Google Maps  (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.7322,-102.489&spn=0.02,0.02&t=k)



Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on December 12, 2008, 07:48:13 PM
At this spot here, is where again things began to turn very chilly. Time to get our coats out once again, this also happens to be the beggining of the switchback road up to El Tunel where you get to see a lot of big rigs coming and going to the Fluorite Mine,La Escondida, i believe. The altitude change is very abrupt there.

GE Waypoint: N28 39.411 W102 18.896

 Google Maps  (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.6567,-102.315&spn=0.02,0.02&t=k)
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on December 12, 2008, 07:56:35 PM
Once we reached the entrance of the tunnel, we could see how big the Santa Rosa valley extends, as much as i have been there, i never get tired of going up everytime and admire this scenery. It is just breathtaking!!!

(http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/44463/2855587280103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb40.webshots.com/43111/2121277940103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/42703/2477144430103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb58.webshots.com/36473/2214701480103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

GE Waypoint: N28 38.883 W102 19.658

 Google Maps  (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.6479,-102.327&spn=0.02,0.02&t=k)

GE Waypoint to the End of the Tunnel: N28 38.698 W102 20.168

 Google Maps  (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.6452,-102.336&spn=0.02,0.02&t=k)
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on December 12, 2008, 08:10:45 PM
Our last entry would be the end of the tunnel and withn that the end of our adventure. As many times as i have been lucky to be there, I still say how blessed i am to have these opportunities to visit such beautiful and isolated places. The bonds of friendship made at that trip , last for ever and strong amigos are forged by the sharing of the obstacles, the hardships, the problems that arise and how collectivebly we resolve each one and overcome future challenges they may present as we move forward to explore more corners of the back country of Coahuila. Always crossing our fingers that we may some day be able to cross back and forth our countries thru the desert places of the Chihuahuhan desert, as our forefathers used to do.

(http://inlinethumb50.webshots.com/1009/2329628960103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb52.webshots.com/41651/2172565190103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

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(http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/40502/2213032400103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 The End.......El Fin!!!
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on December 12, 2008, 08:17:44 PM
My  Picture slide show  (http://good-times.webshots.com/slideshow/568663697pzltLc)

Gilberto's  Slide show  (http://rides.webshots.com/slideshow/568699239iydKtV;jsessionid=abc4JCcRrC-Ox-PrjaU4r)

 Now, let me work on the waypoints.They are alot and all interesting,besides i promised to post this to the man who inspired me to do this one day, by sharing his pictures of the Top of the Del Carmen's...Al, Thank You very much for providing many facts and waypoints to resolve and  make this trip a reality......Salud!! :kaos-cactus06:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on December 12, 2008, 09:32:54 PM
Homero, thanks again!  In response to your relentless pressure, I've added a couple of more photos to one of my posts.

http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/index.php/topic,6716.msg67741.html#msg67741 (http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/index.php/topic,6716.msg67741.html#msg67741)

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 14, 2008, 07:34:29 PM
Homero, Wow, that brings back some great memories.  Thank you again for sharing your insights.  It is bitter sweet.  I can't help but ask another question.  How many miles did you drive from your home to get to Boquillas? 

Al

 Trying to keep my promises, here is a picture of the whole trip from my town over to The Puerto Rico Mine, plus a file with the waypoints in between and middle points including Big Ranches, very Old Haciendas and some historic sites.

Enjoy

(http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/gallery/84_14_12_08_8_29_55.jpg)

 Thank you (WL2) for your help...
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: joelg on December 30, 2008, 02:00:42 AM
Homero,

Thank you so much for your trip report. I got goosebumps reading about it. I have spent hours in libraries, pouring over Google Earth, and talking to descendants to piece together the story of the Puerto Rico mine and the terminal. I know the area best from about 1910 ;) Seeing your pictures from today make it come alive in a whole new way for me.

Here are a few historical photos that you may enjoy. All are from the The National Park Service and can be found in the archive at Big Bend National Park. They were probably taken around 1910 for articles published in "Mines and Minerals." See my website, here (http://oreterminal.joelandkaren.com/research/research.html#researchDelCarmenZincMine), for the actual articles.

Entrance to the Puerto Rico Mine
(http://oreterminal.joelandkaren.com/BigBendChat/Entrance%20to%20Puerto%20Rico%20tunnel%20(pg.%209).jpg)

Overlooking the embarkation terminal, across the Rio Grand. The Puerto Rico is five miles away; ore was moved from there to here by burrow drawn wagons until about 1916 when they were replaced by trucks.
(http://oreterminal.joelandkaren.com/BigBendChat/View%20over%20line%20from%20laoding%20terminal%20(pg.34).jpg)

Postcard commemorating the opening of the tramway, most likely published by the Del Carmen Company.
(http://oreterminal.joelandkaren.com/BigBendChat/Postcard%20(pg.1)%20.jpg)

Here's a brief history of the mine and oreterminal as I know it from historical research and interviewing descendents:
- There's no record of who first started mining here, but by the late 1800's The Kansas City Smelting and Refining Company (KSARCO) was mining lead. Some was smelted on site, as you found. Most found its way to El Paso.
- KSARCO was rolled into ASARCO, a huge mining conglomerate, which the Guggenheims purchased around 1900 or so. (Yes, those Guggenheims as in the Guggenheim Museum in NYC.)
- Shortly thereafter, the Guggenheims decided to consolidate their mining operations and shutdown the Boquillas operation because it was so remote. (I don't have information on who the actual Mexican mine owners were, because I believe KSARCO had a lease, but I'm sure that information is in the Registro De Las Minas (sp?) in Mexico City.)
- A few years later (c. 1905?) a Louis Lyons, an insurance man from St. Louis goes to a mining conference in Mexico and meets a Carlos Moser, freelance mining engineer working in Zacatecas. They come to Boquillas to see about reopening the mine. To his surprise, Moser realizes that KSARCO missed all the zinc in the mine. They become partners in the Del Carmen Company in order to capitalize on the find.
- Instead of hauling the ore 200 miles south to the nearest train depot in Mexico, Moser contracts with the A. Leschen & Sons Wire Rope Company of St. Louis to build the tramway to haul ore across the Rio Grande and into the US. The ore is the hauled to Marathon by burrow drawn wagons.
- Louis Lyon's wife sends their oldest daughter, Aimee, to find out what her dad was up to in Mexico. Aimee and Moser fall in love and marry.
- Moser moves from Mexico to San Antonio for his base of operations.
- By 1910, Moser's behind schedule. He and Aimee move to Marathon. He obtains new financing and ore starts moving around 1910 and 1911.
- Moser catches the flu and dies in El Paso in 1915.
- New US owners, The International Mining Company, begin mining. It's unclear the nature of Aimee Moser's role.
- 1916, the ore terminal is attacked on both sides of the Rio Grande by Mexican raiders who are formerly with Pancho Villa; while not attacked at the same time as Glenn Springs, it's part of the general unrest of the time. The US sends Major George T. Langhorne across the Rio Grande in pursuit. In the newspaper accounts of the time, there's mention of a motion picture crew that traveled with Langhorne into Mexico, holding the tantalizing hope of film footage from that time.
- 1919, the mining operation shuts down due to the crash in metal prices after World War I.
- In the late 1920's, a Mike Manning was working for the Chisos Mining Company in Terlingua when someone brought him rich ore from the Puerto Rico mine in Mexico. Manning created a partnership with a man name Johnston and they mined the Puerto Rico from the late 1920's to the early 1940s. I don't have any information after that.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on December 30, 2008, 02:26:47 PM
I was hoping you stepped in much sooner,Joelg. Somehow i knew your wealth of information would clear many issues as we went along on the trip report. I am glad you did, eventually.

 I really hope that some of your questions posted on your webpage were answered by reading my TR. Just wanted to add that you are a tough act to follow , when it comes to this subject.

Should you want to pursuit more information on this subject,maybe you should consider dropping a note to the current owners of ASARCO... Grupo Mexico  (http://www.gmexico.com/templates/index1.asp?swh=1280%20x%201024&d=32&swha=1280%20x%20994) and see what they write you back.

 Another,very hidden, source of information is the City archives of Muzquiz,Coahuila. I know, but have not seen the history books there,people say they are envious in the wealth of information written by the founding fathers: Spanish settlers,town folks,historical figures and many others involved in other activities such as mining. Maybe if you can contact them, there could be a chance to go deper in history and get more facts about it.

 Now should you want to visit the mine site by yourself , just download the waypoints posted here and will take you up to the very entrance of the mine and see things in a very different way than just reading about them...trust me!!.

 Archivo General del Estado  (http://ahc.sfpcoahuila.gob.mx/modulo24.php?opcion=2)

Some phone numbers for the Satellite Phones to call them up:

Las Norias de Boquillas: 011-52-(555)-151-2923

Jaboncillos El Grande: 011-52-(555)-151-2927

Boquillas del Carmen: 011-52-(555)-151-2924

Remember , give it 2 seconds for your message to arrive then wait for their message to get to your phone or else it will bllock itself between you two. It is kind of like a two way radio sort to speak.

Good Luck and keep us posted.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Ay Chihuahua! on December 30, 2008, 03:22:59 PM
Homero,

I hope you don't mind that I'm posting this video here.  I thought it might be fitting.

El Carmen - Big Bend
 (http://unidosparalaconservacion.org/03_DIFUSION/03_02_DOCUMENTAL/01_ElCarmenBigBend/01_ElCarmenBigBend.swf)
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: BigBendHiker on December 30, 2008, 06:14:26 PM
Hi Homero!
THANKS for posting all of these pictures and the story to go with it.


BBH
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 30, 2008, 08:13:17 PM
...Gracias!!!
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: joelg on December 30, 2008, 10:50:23 PM
Homero,

Wish I was more involved with the board; been away for a long time /w/ life, etc. Would have jumped at the chance to go with you to Puerto Rico.

I'd love to spend time in Muzquiz; I'd need a native Spanish speaking researcher to work with side by side in the archives. I'd love to write the definitive history. I think Ocampo, Quatro Cienegas, and Monclova may also have archives related to the mining operations as they are all mentioned in documentation/articles of the time. Thanks for posting the link to the Archivo General.

Here's a plan of the Puerto Rico mine from 1919, courtesy of the National Park Service. It was probably commissioned by the International Mining Company in order to sell the mine. I believe you were in the Cubana entrance. I have a higher rez image if you need it.
(http://oreterminal.joelandkaren.com/BigBendChat/Sections%20of%20Puerto%20Rico%20Mine%20(pg.5).jpg) (http://oreterminal.joelandkaren.com/BigBendChat/Sections%20of%20Puerto%20Rico%20Mine%20(pg.5).jpg)

Do you have any more historical questions I may be able to help answer?
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: homerboy2u on December 31, 2008, 04:23:02 PM
It just so happens that yesterday (Dec/30/2008) Jose "Lacho" Falcon calls me from Muzquiz that he has more time now a days and is available to guide me or any body else to any parts of the Del Carmen's.He is very knowlegeable of the whole area and knows all the water sources in the land: Tinajas,springs,small pools,etc. He is very well experienced in hiking as well.
(http://inlinethumb54.webshots.com/14901/2327371500103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 He speaks better english than me and lives in Boquillas del Carmen,should you or anybody else be interested in guided tours just drop me a PM and can help you hook up with him.

 I think since he is going to come more often to Muzquiz (he said almost every 15 days or so) he can even help translate and get you in touch with folks in Muzquiz who know more facts about the area and the mine. You would be amazed at the the knowledge people have passed on from one generation to another.

 BTW, his wife also makes the quilts for Cinthia de Narvaez,hand sewn and all the se?oras sell their work.
(http://inlinethumb01.webshots.com/44416/2383477500103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

 I picked this one for my home,very nice........

(http://inlinethumb22.webshots.com/16853/2271193150103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

How many entrances were in the Puerto Rico Mine,i only entered 2 but there was at least another one from inside when i stumble upon an air shaft and saw an upper tunnel from with in.

 How was the mine discovered?. The miners told me there were more claims to mine in the upper part of the Del Carmens, in the area they call El Jardin...(the garden).
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Lorax on December 31, 2008, 10:14:46 PM
Thanks for the history of the mine.  I get questions and now I have some more answers.

Ted
Title: Long Over Due...but they are here,at last.
Post by: homerboy2u on April 19, 2009, 05:08:06 PM
After trying and trying to upload these videos,I finally was able to do it. It takes for ever to do it in You Tube,but they are there now.

 This video is on our way up,and we stumble the steepest hill i had ever ride,twice did we feel our front axle lift off the ground,it raises your arm hair involuntarily,believe me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQB5DloYCXw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQB5DloYCXw)

 On this one one, we are taking a break for what is coming up and waiting on our friends to tackle the incline hill. Check out the views from Gilberto's camera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPr0CKDdZ_g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPr0CKDdZ_g)

 A piece of cake....yeah,right :icon_rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg7c3jis9UM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg7c3jis9UM)

 I don't think my heart has ever pumped so fast,like this experience. I had so much adrenalin flowing ,i just coild not stop talking, maybe i was scare s******s and just was trying to atch my breath of what we had done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdzsgUBYSJE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdzsgUBYSJE)

 Entering the mine,our friend Hugo was rushing out of the mine.....he just did not have the guts to go all the way in, and i don't blame him.My knees were shaking like crazy inside,but were there and we knew we were not coming back soon,we had to take the opportunity and explore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMgkTMEf5-Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMgkTMEf5-Y)

 Guys working inside of the mine in the worst conditions i have ever seen...very tough for these men.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJHv6oZDM38 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJHv6oZDM38)

 This is on our way down,a hair raising experience this turned out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0pB3PtznCg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0pB3PtznCg)

 I was dog gone scare here,it was part of the adventure of going to the place.

 All videos contributed by my friend Gilberto Sanchez.









Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Casa Grande on April 20, 2009, 04:29:59 PM
wow, thanks for posting those butt puckering moments!  I love living vicariously through you Homero in your excursions in Mexico.  One day I hope to do it with you!  Keep 'em coming, Hermano!
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on April 20, 2009, 11:50:07 PM
Homero, very cool.  What a great trip!

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: walkingman06 on April 21, 2009, 06:04:17 PM
You are the man, Homero!  Pretty exciting stuff.  Thanks for sharing your adventures with us!

 :eusa_clap:
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunne
Post by: Al on March 01, 2010, 12:58:18 AM
On our way back,we were laughing,joking on many things and basically settling in from all the places and elevations we had been.

 Aurelio stopped us at this place to admire it and he said locals call it La Troza de Elvira,a nice place where i was up there once admiring the view down at the time,it was nice to reflect on this spot.I think we stood there for a good 20 minutes, in silence...maybe we were all thanking God, in our own way for this spectacular opportunity.

(http://inlinethumb10.webshots.com/42313/2100521670103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

(http://inlinethumb51.webshots.com/43058/2640418380103347488S600x600Q85.jpg)

GE Waypoint: N29 06.775 W102 50.289
 Google Maps  (http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=29.1101,-102.838&spn=0.02,0.02&t=k)




Or perhaps I should say: La Troza de Elvira

http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/serranias-del-burro-del-carmens-el-carmen/nov08sierra-del-carmenpuerto-rico-mineboquillas-del-carmen-and-the-tunnel-t6716.0.html;msg68063 (http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/serranias-del-burro-del-carmens-el-carmen/nov08sierra-del-carmenpuerto-rico-mineboquillas-del-carmen-and-the-tunnel-t6716.0.html;msg68063)

It's on top but scroll down a bit and enjoy.

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: East Texan on March 02, 2010, 12:12:04 PM
A little late on posting to this thread but I read the whole report today.  Thanks so much for posting.  I have always wondered about life across the river.  Now I have a better appreciation for it.

Wonderful photos and information. :eusa_clap:

Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: Al on August 08, 2010, 10:29:08 PM
Homero, that truck picture was great.  What a shine!  Obviously at the start of the trip.  What happened?

Al

 Thing is Al, since our beloved administrator is fixing the NEW look on our webpage, and we have downed the "preview" button i was doing a test to see how i was going to post the pics here. Now back to our movie.... :icon_biggrin:

 Friday November 7 came, i could not catch any sleep the prior night and was layed flat on my bed , but with ny eyes open. To many things were going 100 mph in my head, too many issues i was reviewing one and two times to made sure nothing was left back, or left out for this trip. I could not wait for morning to come...i guess i was not alone, for later in the trip everyone was saying they had not slept the night before....we were just to eager to get this going.

Here's a GREAT thread for those like me who need help to pass the summer doldrums.

http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/serranias-del-burro-del-carmens-el-carmen/nov08sierra-del-carmen-puerto-rico-mine-boquillas-del-carmen-and-the-tunnel/165/ (http://www.bigbendchat.com/portal/forum/serranias-del-burro-del-carmens-el-carmen/nov08sierra-del-carmen-puerto-rico-mine-boquillas-del-carmen-and-the-tunnel/165/)

Al
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: aircrftmec on December 04, 2011, 07:42:11 PM
Just found this post...all I can say is WOW. I would love to see the other side of the river and experience the culture.
Title: Re: Nov/08:Sierra del Carmen-Puerto Rico Mine-Boquillas del Carmen and the Tunnel
Post by: homerboy2u on December 05, 2011, 08:50:54 AM
Just hold on to your stirrups, it gets even better....soon enough, I promise.