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SKY ISLANDS: Maderas de El Carmen, MEXICO !!!

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« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2006, 10:16:02 PM »

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  ADVISORY COUNCIL
 To guarantee the conservation of a region it requires, besides a genuine commitment, experience and knowledge. Conscious of this, CEMEX has invited a group of known personalities of long trajectory, who will have the responsibility of advising over actions and handling that take place in El Carmen.

Gerardo Ceballos
 Investigator of Ecology  Institute Of.  Universidad Nacional Aut?noma de M?xico.

Felipe Delgado
 President of Pronatura, Northeast.


Exequiel Ezcurra
 President of Instituto Nacional de Ecolog?a Semarnat

Kathryn Fuller
 President of World Wildlife Fund, U.S.A.

David Garza Laguera
 Museum of Maderas del Carmen

Carlos Manterola
 Director of Unidos Para La Conservaci?n

Russell Mittermier
 President of Conservation International

Guillermo Osuna
 President of the Foundation of Holistic Resources

Patricia Robles Gil
 President of Agrupacion Sierra Madre and United For The Conservation

Jorge Soberon
 Executive Secretary of the National Commission of Knowledge And Use of Biodiversity

 It forms part of the council the investigation centers and universities.
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« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2006, 10:27:05 PM »


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   THE DREAM TO SEE PRONGHORN AND RAM AGAIN

The presence and commitment of CEMEX in the region  goes back a couple of years . With the interest of offering economical alternatives to the northern country communities who face long droughts, it looks to recuperate big wild species as part of the natural resources.

   In 1996, with back up of CEMEX and other companies and institutions, Agrupacion Sierra Madre and Unidos para La Conservacion reached the goal to see pronghorn and antelope roam the prairies of Coahuila, after 60 years of its disappearance in this state.

   In the same manner, they started a joint study with Semarnap and UNAM in 1995, to take a survey of population for the Cimarron Ram on Tiburon Island, in the Gulf of California. This study was set forward to manage the ram on the island, with the single objective to guarantee its conservation, an take advantage of its sustained benefit of the Con’cac Seri community and, fundamentally , to reintroduce this species on a national level.

   The return of the Cimarron in Coahuila is already a reality by introducing the first generation samples in El Carmen inside an intensive deposit, el “ Criadero Pilares” , which counts with more than 5,000 hectares and is established in the area of the Chihuahuan desert, outside of the reserve. Its goal to count with enough animals for future reintroductions in diverse areas of the regions, among which are the Sierra de El Carmen, where the last sightings of the Cimarron ram were in the decade of the 1940’s.

   As much as Unidos Para La Conservacion and CEMEX have counted with the advisory of national and foreign experts of different institutions, among others the Departments Hunt and Fishing of New Mexico and Arizona and the Texas Park and Wildlife, as well as the support of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. These actions look in to fulfill the dream of seeing again Cimarron Rams and Pronghorn Antelope in their old territories.
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« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2006, 10:29:02 PM »

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  Life it induces sleep and renovates, it has always been that way.
  Only the Mountain that has seen us knows our destiny.
  If in a thousand summers our beauty is permanence, we have fulfilled our dream.
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« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2006, 10:33:11 PM »

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 Raised in these great valleys a species of red deer, on which there are the Bezares stones, that they have the standing and size of a common deer, only differentiated in the antlers they have no gore or points in them but smooth as goats, that is what they call it here, horn goat, and because the demand of these stones is such, have it under treaty these Chichimecan Indians where they go about hunting them, and the stones these people find are traded with the Spaniards for robes, knifes, hats, and other trades, that they are so malicious and dubious that they make these stones come back alive,  That they misconfuse the most savvy of connoisseurs .

Alfonso Mota y Escobar
Bishop of Guadalajara, during a pastoral visit to Coahuila in 1603.

  It has been more than half a century, during the 1940’s, that Coahuila lost the Cimarron ram and the Pronghorn Antelope in its territory. Several decades later after loosing the Bison.
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« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2006, 11:25:44 PM »
Homero! That was awesome!  thanks for posting that, I know it was a lot of work (almost as going up to the sky islands?)  :lol: nice work, amigo

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« Reply #35 on: June 26, 2006, 08:21:46 AM »
Cool Stuff Homero, Thanks!

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« Reply #36 on: June 26, 2006, 09:31:20 AM »
Thanks everybody, as i mentioned Bdann on a PM, I was ready to throw in the towel.... :cry:

  Never did I had an idea how hard it was going to be  scaning and translating that magazine. But i think it was worth it.

  That scenario of operations is very BIG , until now. I haven't come across a conservation operation of this magnitude, there has to be bigger operations but not in my experience.

  What is more surprising is the whole bunch of organizations involved, who have permanent presence in the Sky Islands, the number of permanent staff, the long term goal they are developing (good chance to land a job there,Shane) but most important, headed by 2 very recognize TPWD ex-staff.

   A lot of experience there, of course lets not forget the deep fundings this project is getting thru the involvement of CEMEX . With that alone is a made commitment.

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« Reply #37 on: June 26, 2006, 10:11:31 AM »
A guy I know through the Texas Bighorn Society last year bought a tour for 4 through all the CEMEX property at the annual TBS auction.  He hasn't gone yet, but the TBS has a dialogue with CEMEX because of all the sheep work going on there, so that's where they got the connection.  

Here are some interesting related links:
http://www.beartrust.org/mexicoresearch.htm
http://www.hcn.org/servlets/hcn.Article?article_id=13523
http://texasnature.blogspot.com/2004/10/mexicos-maderas-del-carmen-by-ro-wauer.html
http://www.clearbigbendair.org/html/mystique.html

After reading the last paragraph on that last link above, I'm sure I'm not the only one that would like the opportunity to climb Loomis Peak.  I remember seeing it from the top of Emory a few years ago, and wishing that I could get down there.

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« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2006, 10:54:59 AM »
One more, which is a link of a vegetative study of the Maderas Del Carmen:
http://nhnm.unm.edu/vlibrary/pubs_archive/nmnhp/nonsensitive/U99WOO02NMUS.pdf

It was interesting that one section in this report says that the upper elevations of the Del Carmens receive 40 inches of rain annually...double that of the Chisos high country.  No wonder there are streams and lakes up there.

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« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2006, 11:16:36 AM »
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One more, which is a link of a vegetative study of the Maderas Del Carmen:
http://nhnm.unm.edu/vlibrary/pubs_archive/nmnhp/nonsensitive/U99WOO02NMUS.pdf

It was interesting that one section in this report says that the upper elevations of the Del Carmens receive 40 inches of rain annually...double that of the Chisos high country.  No wonder there are streams and lakes up there.


yes, this is interesting. During the summer months, you see the rain clouds in mexico moving over the Carmens more often than the Chisos, in my experience.

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« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2006, 12:52:01 PM »
Roger, Roger...

  It is thru Bear & Trust , that i contacted  Bonnie Mckinney , she has been very informative to me. When ever i have a question or matter to clear, she quickly responds to my mails. Very cooperative , I must say.

  It is from your link to the Texas nature blogspot, that i read what summarizes the most: None intervention of human beings. That definetly has to be the true garden of Eden. One can only imagine.
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But the important story of the Maderas del Carmen is not its magnificent scenery and marvelous wildlife. Instead, the big story here is the active project by the world's second largest cement conglomerate - CEMEX - to protect and restore the Maderas and surrounding landscapes. The total area eventually will include about 500,000 acres of rugged landscape located just south of the Rio Grande in the Mexican state of Coahuila. And unlike other large protected areas, such as national and state parks in Mexico and the United States, the "El Carmen" project, at least in the short-term, limits visits to scientists and resource specialists. General public use and commercial interests are not permitted.


   Also, the fact that they are situated so high, and by nature they have all these streams makes it so obvious to get all that rain, and in the winter time all the snow,but Bonnie told me that they haven?t recieved any snow since 2000. Must be the global climate change.

 If God willing, we can get some day permission to go there. Just iamgine the great Panorama shots David can capture there.
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« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2006, 01:53:02 PM »
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Roger, Roger...
It is from your link to the Texas nature blogspot, that i read what summarizes the most: None intervention of human beings. That definetly has to be the true garden of Eden. One can only imagine.


Well, by "no intervention", I think they are talking about "no visitors".  They are intervening, A LOT, as the following from the HCN.org story briefly describes...

"CEMEX officials and the board of directors for the El Carmen project have feverishly debated the details. The board is a diverse group that includes Kathryn Fuller of the World Wildlife Fund, biologist Russell Mittermeier, Mexican rancher conservationists David Garza and Guillermo Osuna and a handful of corporate overseers. Their ideas vary widely, from reintroduction of extirpated species into a pristine landscape, to a restored tract of land on the model of a U.S. national park, like Yellowstone.  "If mankind hadn’t hit it so hard, there’d be no reason to manage this place," says Bonnie McKinney, who, along with her husband, Billy Pat, has been hired to manage the project. "But we’ve watched the steady decline of wildlife in places like Big Bend, where the mandate is clearly hands-off. We can’t afford that here."  Bonnie McKinney thinks the only way to fix El Carmen is exhaustive restoration, from re-establishing native grasses to reintroducing native wildlife. "There are places here that will not recover in the lifetime of anyone living today," she adds, "but we can make a start."  As a private enterprise, funded entirely from CEMEX’s profits, El Carmen project managers have an autonomy that would make U.S. Forest and Park Service officials envious."


Another example of more recent intervention is the contruction of a temporary 10,000 acre high-fenced area, which they are using as a brood pen for Bighorns, before releasing them into the main area of the property.  I can't imagine what the construction that high fence must have cost in those mountains.  There was a nice little barb on the BIBE management practices in the above quote.  Everyone of course is entitled to their opinion on the best way to conserve habitat and wildlife...."hand's off" or "hands on".

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« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2006, 07:56:06 PM »
I just had to post this.Compliments of Joe from another post:

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In the fall of 1987 (before CEMEX took over), I did a five day horse trip into the Maderas del Carmen from Boquillas. We used the chalupa (rowboat) to ferry our gear across and a truck to take us to a ranch about 20 kms in. There we got our horses and several burros for our gear and rode to the Ca?on de la Media Luna, where we camped. The next day we climbed up to one of the abandoned logging camps, where we made ourselves comfortable for a few days. We rode on the old logging roads and explored the high country, and it seemed like we were in Colorado. There were tall trees, running streams with cold clear water, and lots of bear sign, though we never did see a bear.

I'd love to have a chance to go back.


 Maybe Joe was talking about this site:

http://www.gen.tv/MuseoPreview/Where/where.htm

 Check everything ofcourse, but in particular the Ecotourism link.

This is NO longer available for tourists. Its taken by the Maderas project.
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« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2006, 08:15:31 PM »
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Maybe Joe was talking about this site:

http://www.gen.tv/MuseoPreview/Where/where.htm


No, my trip was before the Museo Maderas del Carmen.  It was a group of people from Terlingua, organized by Marcos Paredes.  He used to lead trips to the Maderas del Carmen; now he works for BIBE.
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« Reply #44 on: June 27, 2006, 08:54:33 AM »
Thanks for putting all that work into posting all of those pictures :D  They were great! I have always wondered, while looking up from the desert floor of BiBe, what those Mountains looked like from the Mexico side. Just curious, what was the average temp. while you were on your trip?
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